Upcoming Terrorist Attack?

[Jaguar]

France satellite sees something.

news.ca.msn.com/top-stories/malaysia-airlines-mh370-search-french-satellite-images-provide-more-hope-1

www.cbc.ca/news/world/malaysia-airlines-mh370-search-french-satellite-images-provide-more-hope-1.2583254

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

I hear ya Sugi, I'm holding up hope as well. But a pallet? IDK, but if its a pallet and pieces that means the plane broke up. I hate to say it, but they found the Air France flight because of bodies...

How long do dead bodies remain intact in the ocean?

The Australian Museum has an informative Web site, deathonline.net, on how human remains change after death. On land, bacteria and other microbes in the body will rapidly multiply and break down the soft tissue. Shortly after death, flies and other insects consume the soft tissue. Vultures, dogs or other large mammals may also take pieces of the decomposing flesh, sometimes reducing the corpse into a skeleton in under two weeks.

On the open ocean, however, flies and other insects are largely absent. And if the body is floating in water less than 70 degrees Fahrenheit (21 degrees Celsius) for about three weeks, the tissues turn into a soapy fatty acid known as "grave wax" that halts bacterial growth. The skin, however, will still blister and turn greenish black. Finally, crabs and small fish may feed on the soft parts of the face like the eyes and lips, according to the book Forensic Taphonomy: The Postmortem Fate of Human Remains, by William D. Haglund and Marcella H. Sorg.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

More debris in the ocean and more lies from the sky.. With the fact they lied about the cargo we can now count 5.

So are we actually to believe that a fire broke out and destroyed the communications right as they entered Vietnamese air space? That no one one the plane was able to call for help from the hundreds of cell phones that were on board? That the piolet was unable to radio for help, but he was able to fly low because of catastrophic failure? If it was a catastrophic failure, how the huck did it fly for seven more hours What about the low flying plane that the people in the Maldives spotted, are they still crazy? What about Mr. Ledgerwood's theory that he dipped down and flew under the radar of another plane going NORTH?!?!?

Missing Malaysian Airlines plane flew low but authorities ignored eyewitnesses: report

New evidence supports initially discounted eyewitness accounts that the missing Malaysian airliner flew as low as 3650 metres over peninsula Malaysia after inexplicably turning back from its scheduled flight path.

Military radar tracking showed the plane abruptly changed altitude after making a sharp turn over the South China Sea and headed back over the peninsula towards the Straits of Malacca, according to a source close to the investigation who was quoted by CNN.

The Boeing 777 with 239 people on board flew as low as 3650 metres feet at some point before it disappeared from radar, according to the source.

The plane had been cruising at 9750 metres before the turnaround and was still flying more than seven hours later.

More than 12 fishermen and residents living on the coast of far north-west Malaysia lodged police reports in the hours after the plane disappeared saying they saw a “bright light” streaking overhead about the time the plane disappeared.

It took more than a week for sophisticated radar and satellites to confirm what ordinary people had reported seeing.

The failure to give more weight to the accounts meant Malaysian authorities continued to focus search operations in the South China Sea when they should have been searching far to the west.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Well, you all can believe that this plane just vanished into the ocean. I for one would like to see some proof considering the mess this is. For the record, when I say upcoming, I wasn't talking about right away. My thought has always been that if terrorist have the plane they would wait until they tried to shove some bs down our throats, give it time to blow over, let the media move onto something else, then use it.

For anyone that is saying they have found debris, no they have not. The only thing they may have found from the plane was a little green circular object and a orange rectangle one. The rest has been confirmed as nothing. Even these latest objects, which no one seems to care about now that they "found" this plane sound like trash.

One last thing, if I am wrong and the plane is in the Indian ocean, which I pray it is, it changes nothing about this situation in the eastern part of the globe. Just that there won't be another terrorist attack with a jubo jet in the near future. Stay .

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

This is exactly why I refuse to believe that it was a fire or failure. I mean aside from the fact it flew for hours after the fact.

What happened to MH370? A pilot and a flight attendant give their views

In what circumstances would you communicate with the ground to say there was an emergency?

In an emergency all pilots are trained in a golden rule: ANC, which is to aviate, navigate, communicate, in that order. We first of all make sure the aircraft is flying safely; if it isn’t then this is our priority before anything else. Once the aircraft is flying safely within the flight envelope [appropriate limits], and away from any potential threats such as terrain, severe weather, traffic, we will then navigate the aircraft. We may then consider navigating towards an airport or safe area if the emergency is very time pressing.

Once the aviate and navigate tasks are taken care of, we would then communicate our situation or emergency in the form of a pan-pan or mayday to air traffic control. However, if an emergency is severe, any of the two pilots can make a very quick mayday call at any time such as: "Mayday mayday mayday, MH370, smoke on board, stand by." It would only take two or three seconds to transmit.

But the last words were.. "Alright, good night"...

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Im still having a hard time believing this can be turned into a location...

MH370: Britain finds itself at centre of blame game over crucial delays
The pings contain no information about location, heading or speed, meaning the only information Inmarsat had to go on was the wavelength of the pings when they reached its satellite orbiting 22,245 miles above the earth.

And when you consider that a low flying plane was spotted over the Maldives who are... Saudi Arabia's growing role in the Maldives

However, what does makes sense and fits with the math we have, and the known factors, is a case of cold feet. As in, after the plane was jacked the pilot has a moment of clarity and realizes that he can't deliver the plane so he turns 90° and heads out to sea... I guess we will see because at this point, for me anyway, there is nothing more to go on.

[sunrnr]

A,

Just have to say I'm of the same opinion you are. I think the ocean search off the coast of Perth is a planned distraction. There are 600+ sites with runways long enough to handle a 777 in the middle East, Euro-Asia and Indonesia region including several as far as China and Mongolia.

The idea the flight "shadowed" a Singapore Air flight into the middle east is highly plausible to me. Fill it with a nuke and detonate in the air at 45,000 feet or so and you have a catastrophic event from an electro-magnetic pulse (EMP). Detonate it over a populated city and you have started a nuclear nightmare.

All of this is speculation of course, but in this day and age what's speculation and what's reality The world is filled with powder kegs and everyone seems to be playing with matches.

The whole event has become a security nightmare for all the alphabet intelligence and security agencies around the world. How much can be said about wha'ts known without revealing how it became known or why?

Bottomline? 200+ humans are missing with thousands of loved ones impacted .... horrifying in my opinion. 

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Hey Sun,

I'm chatting with someone who's advance math skills make me look like a toddler. I have a bunch of stuff on my plate today. I'll be around later and get back at ya.

Stay strong my friend.

[usaone]

Im still leaning towards a mechanical/fire issue. I think they will fine parts of the plane soon. A shame the familys have to wait for so long.

Some of these other governments make ours look pretty good in comparison.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

While I agree with you about the govts that other countries have, at this point, a mechanical issue is basically impossible with the facts we know usawon, I hate to say it.

Did you see that there was another issue with a Malaysian airline last night/yesterday? The pilot was able to turn around and make a landing with it's engine on fire!

If a fire destroyed the communications and was put out(the only way the plane could keep flying as they claim it did) He would have been more than able to make it back to an airport. If the fire was so bad that everyone on board was knocked out, the plane wouldn't have move in the deliberate fashion that it did after the communications were cut.

If the fire was so bad that it cause a complete systems collapse then then plane wouldn't have continued to fly and in that case I would tend to believe another person that the Malaysian govt dismissed... I saw the plane in Indian Ocean : Johor wife This would also mean that, once again, they are looking in the wrong spot. It would also mean that the math they used to "find" the plane is bogus....

If they are looking for debris in the exact spot where the plane went down, as they say they are right now. Then they are ignoring what they are saying about drift. After almost 20 days there is no way that there would be any debris in the area where the plane went down, especially not the 120 pieces they are claiming right now.(I hope I'm wrong) If there is debris, that means the plane broke up, which means that at least some of the corpses would be floating around out there.

I'm really looking forward to my nightly reading tonight, I will post my thoughts, as usual, when I get a chance to go through some info.

As an aside, I hope you are right and they do find parts soon. Stay .

[sunrnr]

Mar 26, 2014 10:16:18 GMT -5 Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger said:

Hey Sun,

I'm chatting with someone who's advance math skills make me look like a toddler. I have a bunch of stuff on my plate today. I'll be around later and get back at ya.

Stay strong my friend.

2 X 2 + 136 * 10^-5 far exceeds my capacity .... good luck!

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Hahah, I hear ya sun.. The odds!

I'm getting there. However, at this point I will say that I am 100% sure this was a hijacking. The fact he was heading north towards India tells me that without a doubt he was on the way to slamming that plane into a target in central Asia. I'm just in the process of putting some numbers together on the rest of it.

Why am I 100% sure it was a hijacking?

Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 pilot 'deliberately' flew jet off course: report

A high-ranking official with the Royal Malaysia Police said pilot Zaharie Ahmad Shah is solely responsible for maneuvering the Boeing 777 deep over the southern Indian Ocean. The source, going off the record with USA Today, said authorities are pressing Zaharie's relatives for information about his behavior before the flight.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

As for the rest of it, I am 70% sure that the math from Inmersat and NASA is at least accurate enough to tell us that the plane did turn and head south. Now comes the really tough part to put out there. He without a doubt incapacitated/killed the people on board the plane. The next step would be him flying the six hours to the Chinese target that he had been paid to hit. Remember, China is a big supporter of the regime in Malaysia that he opposed, and we all know that China is teetering on the brink of depression/communist collapse.

Being that this pilot was emotional distressed and not an extremist, at some point, sitting there by himself, he obviously realized that he was already a mass murderer and didn't want to bring anymore shame to his family.(Divine intervention) Keep in mind that in the Asian culture it's all about saving face and family honor. He then proceeds to fly to the most volatile/some of the deepest waters on earth, and land the plane safely on the water.(Trying to hide what he did to avoid bringing further shame to his family) The plane, in it's entirety, sinks to the bottom of the ocean and has most likely been lost forever.

Unless they can find the ping on the black box before it dies, this plane is gone. This is why there is no debris from the plane because it didn't actually break up. So yes they are searching for debris that most likely is non existent, not as a misdirection, but because there were so many unknowns in the situation since the get go. Which rests 100% squarely on the Malaysian govt.

At this point, I can honestly say that the chance of an upcoming terrorists attack with this plane as a weapon is slim to none. As far as a nuke aboard Putin's buddies warship that is heading this way.. Well, more big news stories are on there way about that I am sure! Stay .

[sunrnr]

Interesting analysis, A. Now the search area has been moved some distance north based on new flight calculations. This after the media storm about the Tai satellite (when did they develop and launch that?) seeing numerous pieces in the ocean. 

My heart goes out to those families and loved ones as well as the people on that plane. Oh, we have a local connection to one of them. 

Too bad this all couldn't be used to make the world aware of all the massive amounts of junk floating in the world's oceans.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Thanks Sun. It's like life, a really big Venn diagram. They guy was on the way to landing that plane, most likely in the Maldives or one of the locations that was in his simulator, I have no doubt about that.

I really questioned the math on the ping theory off the start, but like I said physics was never my strong suit. The velocity of the plane was an unknown variable, which they have apparently pinned down a bit better, at least that's what they are saying now. However, for Inmersat and NASA to come out and say anything they would have had to be at least fairly certain on their math. For a lack of a better term, the egg on their face if their wrong would be epic.

Now, there is still the slight possibility that the pilot was able to angle the plane in a way that would "trick" the ping into thinking it was going one way and not the other. Since the angle between the plane and satellite would almost always be 90° there is a large margin for error here. But again, I highly doubt that either of these companies would have came out and said they have an idea on which way it went without considering this.  Maybe not...  

Our heart goes out to you and anyone that has family/friends on this plane, its truly a screw up of epic proportions on the part of the Malaysian government.

[Sum Dum Gai]

Does any country yet have a satellite with the capability to destroy communications on a plane?

Doubtful.  The only way to realistically arm a satellite is with lasers or traditional munitions.  A focused laser could in theory overheat a warhead or something and cause it to fail, but pointing something like that at a plane would likely destroy the plane, not just knock out it's communication.  Traditional munitions would likewise down a plane, not knock out their com equipment.  Unless they invented a small missile that could be launched from a satellite and create a small EMP pulse on detonation.  That would fry all the electronics on the plan though, not just it's com equipment.

I have no doubt that much smarter guys than me have, or are, considering the problem, but I don't see how they'd do it.  Of course, if they did find a way it would classified and we won't hear about it for at least 20-50 years after it's put into operation.

[damnotagain]

Post this on doom and gloom. Rolls Royce tracks engine in flight!

ENGINE data from Rolls-Royce in Derby shows that the missing Malaysia Airlines plane flew for four hours after it dropped off radar.

Flight 370 went missing one hour into its flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.

But new data transmitted from the two Trent 800 engines shows the plane flew for some five hours in total meaning it could have travelled more than 2,500 miles than thought.

In that time it could have reached as far north as the India/Pakistan border or as far south as North West Australia, according to the Wall Street Journal.



Read more: www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/Rolls-Royce-data-says-missing-Malaysia-flight-air/story-20804909-detail/story.html#ixzz2xP1WXhQP

[busymom]

I'm still watching the news on this too. There's too much uncertainty out there. Until they find some major pieces of the airplane, or something REALLY convincing, I can't believe (yet) that the plane actually crashed. Finding an airplane seat, or a pallet or two just isn't enough evidence.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

I hear that busy. It's like Sun says, hopefully this will at least make people realize just how much junk is floating around out there.

At this point, for me anyway, there are only two possible explanations. 1. The plane has landed and is being repurposed for a low altitude bomb into central Asia. 2. As I posted above, trying to save face and honor for his family he water landed the plane, and that sucker is most likely gone forever.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Well, with still absolutely nothing found in the hunt for this plane, new questions have started to come up, such as, Could MH370 land intact on water?

All I can say is that Inmarsat and NASA better be praying that the pilot wasn't able to change the angle of the plane enough to "trick" the once an hour ping. Why? The one thing that has been lost in the shuffle is an earlier report that the plane could have LANDED as final satellite signal may have been sent from ground

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

It is more than a bit unnerving that this keeps popping up. Especially because after looking a bit more closely at some maps I realized that the Maldives is, in fact, south of the planes last known contact point...

MI6, CIA involvement in flight MH370 probe sparks terrorism speculation

The report said Hishammuddin had said the Inspector-General of Police had highlighted the “four possible scenarios of what could have caused the plane to disappear, which are terrorism, hijacking, personal and psychological problems, or technical failure.

“These scenarios have been discussed at length with different intelligence agencies,” he was quoted as saying in the report.

The Sydney Morning Herald in its report today said crash investigators believe the disappearance of the plane and the decision to disable the communications system appear to have been deliberate. But they have found no evidence of a motive.

But then again the media and just about everyone else has dismissed that a jihad related Chinese terror group did, in fact, claim responsibility for the planes disappearance.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Another source has an even more candid interview with someone who is actually part of the investigation. Seems like people who claim this wasnt a deliberate act might want to reevaluate their stance/apologize for being closed minded.

Turn west, disabled communications the work of ‘someone on the plane,’ Flight MH370 investigators believe


Two official sources, who are close to the investigation but not authorized to comment publicly, said there were three main reasons that investigators believe the plane’s manoeuvres before it vanished from military radar on March 8 were intentional:

• The communications were disabled during the handover between Malaysian and Vietnamese air traffic controllers, the moment at which the jet’s disappearance from radars was least likely to be noticed. “That is the precise moment to disappear an aircraft – that was what was exploited,” a source told The Daily Telegraph;

• MH370’s unusual flight path – though little is known about speed and altitude – appears to have been programmed deliberately;

• According to the source, “all the investigators are saying the same thing – there is no precedent in the history of commercial aviation where the sat-com [satellite communications] and the transponder have been knocked out and the plane continued to fly”.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Well damnot, want to know why I started this thread? First, because of the sheer amount of BS that was coming out of the Malaysian government. The second reason is because I have been studying BS conspiracy theories online since I was about 17 year old and I knew damn well that anti Israel and anti-US propaganda was going to be flying. Guess what? It's EVERYWHERE!!! Israel has a copy of the plane... It's in a secret US base.. The list goes on.

I was trying my best to be objective, but it's no secrect that I was worried about it being used in an attack, which would have been a HUGE market event. I was trying to explain that if it were terrorism, it would be linked to the jihad movement in central Asia. I posted that my worries had dropped substantially after I talked with someone with a greater understanding of physics, but I still knew darn well that this was an intended situation.

But you know what? The hijacking and terrorism angle just won't die in this story. So while you might not deem it as worth of it's own thread damnot, the facts of the matter speak for themselves.

Check it!

-Missing Malaysian plane’ hijacked and in Afghanistan’, Russian intelligence claims

[bimetalaupt]

Apr 13, 2014 1:33:34 GMT -5 Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger said:

Well damnot, want to know why I started this thread? First, because of the sheer amount of BS that was coming out of the Malaysian government. The second reason is because I have been studying BS conspiracy theories online since I was about 17 year old and I knew damn well that anti Israel and anti-US propaganda was going to be flying. Guess what? It's EVERYWHERE!!! Israel has a copy of the plane... It's in a secret US base.. The list goes on.

I was trying my best to be objective, but it's no secrect that I was worried about it being used in an attack, which would have been a HUGE market event. I was trying to explain that if it were terrorism, it would be linked to the jihad movement in central Asia. I posted that my worries had dropped substantially after I talked with someone with a greater understanding of physics, but I still knew darn well that this was an intended situation.

But you know what? The hijacking and terrorism angle just won't die in this story. So while you might not deem it as worth of it's own thread damnot, the facts of the matter speak for themselves.

Check it!

-Missing Malaysian plane’ hijacked and in Afghanistan’, Russian intelligence claims

A+++,

It is interesting: too many quotes and so little signs of facts.   What a horrible  waste of life.  IDK why so many signals stopped when they did but the line all point to a cover up. Truly interesting.   

Bi

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Apr 13, 2014 2:04:49 GMT -5 bimetalaupt said:

Apr 13, 2014 1:33:34 GMT -5 Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger said:

Well damnot, want to know why I started this thread? First, because of the sheer amount of BS that was coming out of the Malaysian government. The second reason is because I have been studying BS conspiracy theories online since I was about 17 year old and I knew damn well that anti Israel and anti-US propaganda was going to be flying. Guess what? It's EVERYWHERE!!! Israel has a copy of the plane... It's in a secret US base.. The list goes on.

I was trying my best to be objective, but it's no secrect that I was worried about it being used in an attack, which would have been a HUGE market event. I was trying to explain that if it were terrorism, it would be linked to the jihad movement in central Asia. I posted that my worries had dropped substantially after I talked with someone with a greater understanding of physics, but I still knew darn well that this was an intended situation.

But you know what? The hijacking and terrorism angle just won't die in this story. So while you might not deem it as worth of it's own thread damnot, the facts of the matter speak for themselves.

Check it!

-Missing Malaysian plane’ hijacked and in Afghanistan’, Russian intelligence claims

A+++,

It is interesting: too many quotes and so little signs of facts.   What a horrible  waste of life.  IDK why so many signals stopped when they did but the line all point to a cover up. Truly interesting.   

Bi

Bruce,

I hear ya my man. If the plane is where the pings are, the pressure from the depth of the ocean would probably leave it unrecognizable by this point anyway. It makes me sick to think how the conspiracy nuts will continue to use this event to prey on the depressed and unstable.

[sunrnr]

The problem with finding the black boxes at ~15,000 ft.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

I'm with ya sun. They didn't hear shit, more than likely, and the plane is like a crushed tin can at the bottom of the ocean. The fact that the Chinese "pings" were found to be fraudulent tells me everything. I still think they were able to determine it went south, but we both know what it will mean if that was also BS.

Either way my friend, we are well on the way to seeing central Asia destabilized, and the eastern part of the globe engulfed in flames.(thanks to Putin) Stay .

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Well, you would think it was a dead horse, but this is coming right from the international team that has been searching for this plane. Aside from the basic impossibility that they heard pings(nothing found big surprise), the team is now saying Missing Malaysian MH370 plane may have landed and not crashed in Indian Ocean?

[sunrnr]

Ok, well here's a new spin on the possibility the plane was diverted and landed .....

False flag connection to missing plane?

Plausible, but no mention of the passengers. 

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Apr 28, 2014 9:42:39 GMT -5 sunrnr said:

Ok, well here's a new spin on the possibility the plane was diverted and landed .....

False flag connection to missing plane?

Plausible, but no mention of the passengers. 

I read about this a while back Sun, while anything is possible, the author sums it up perfectly at the end of the article; "another long shot coincidence"

If this was true, the "false flag" plane would have been in the air at the exact same time the other one disappeared. Make it so there is no need for a search because, here it is, ya know?

Coincidentally, this is the kind of stuff I was referring to a few posts back. I mean, we have gone from the Malaysian govt covering its ass and Chinese Jihadists claming responsibility to, it was the Jews.... It just blows my mind how these things always seem to evolve into blaming the US and the Jews.. It is a historical precedent that dates back thousands of years though.(At least on the Jewish angle)

Not trying to harp here, but... Palestinian Christian Woman — Who Believes God Gave Israel to the Jews — Says She Had to Flee Bethlehem after Death Threats

The good news is that an Aussie firm has claimed they found the plane in the Bay of Bengal... And a US pilot believes he's found wreckage of missing airliner after searching through thousands of satellite images online... Two areas thousands of km's away from each other, but.....