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Post by Phoenix84 on Mar 6, 2014 14:00:05 GMT -5
I'm not even sure what some of these mean.
What does the author mean by doing less homework?
The only ones I can say I really agree with are 6 and 7. Guarding your marriage from divorce is good, as losing half your net worth is never a good financial move. And practicing discipline and refraining from worly pleasures will also help your bottem line.
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Post by milee on Mar 6, 2014 14:00:09 GMT -5
No, I tend to skip the comments sections on web pages. They tend to be a worse waste of time than Facebook - and that's saying something.
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Post by HoneyBBQ on Mar 6, 2014 14:01:28 GMT -5
I posted about this in the other thread.
1. Do less homework. --No, doing your homework in all aspects of life saves you time, money, and having to do it again the right way. 2. Get plastic surgery. -- not for me.
3. Go to business school right out of the gate. -- no, figure out what you want to do first.
4. Start early looking for a husband seriously. -- no, find yourself first. Nobody really becomes an adult at 21. Most people change too much in early adulthood to know what the best thing for them really is.
5. Milk maternity leave for all it’s worth. -- meh. Take your leave, then go back to work. 6. Guard your marriage obsessively. -- Better to marry well to begin with and not have to worry about it.
7. Practice austerity. -- No, I think having fun and be spontaneous has its place in the world, so no. 8. Do a startup with a guy. -- Or a woman. Who cares? 9. If you can’t get men to do a startup with you, do a lifestyle business. -- I don't even understand this. 10. Homeschool. Your kids will be screwed if you don’t.-- No, they won't. They'll live, just like I did. 11. Spend money on household help and Botox to keep more doors open longer. -- Household help, yes. Botox, no. 12. Break the mold in your 40s. -- sure.
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So I guess I disagree with like 10 out of 12. *Shrug*
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Post by Phoenix84 on Mar 6, 2014 14:01:36 GMT -5
Basically it seems the author is advocating women to be pretty and treat a man as their financial plan.
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Post by swamp on Mar 6, 2014 14:03:04 GMT -5
Basically it seems the author is advocating women to be pretty and treat a man as their financial plan. Yes.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Mar 6, 2014 14:03:24 GMT -5
What does the author mean by doing less homework
Men don't want smart chicks. That's basically what I took away from her explaination. I need to focus less on being smarta nd more on being a great catch so I can spend my days getting Botox and trying to lure other men into business with me. I guess guarding your marriage only applies to keeping him from straying. I'm free to lure in men with my feminine wiles all I want as long as it is for "business".
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Post by swamp on Mar 6, 2014 14:07:17 GMT -5
What does the author mean by doing less homework
Men don't want smart chicks. That's basically what I took away from her explaination. I need to focus less on being smarta nd more on being a great catch so I can spend my days getting Botox and trying to lure other men into business with me. I guess guarding your marriage only applies to keeping him from straying. I'm free to lure in men with my feminine wiles all I want as long as it is for "business". It's called taking one for the team.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Mar 6, 2014 14:10:48 GMT -5
I took that to mean start up a business with your husband, not any random guy who will start a business with you. But business ownership isn't for everyone. I have no interest in owning a business.
And what the hell is a "lifestyle" business? Is that like catering to a specific crowd, like selling herbs and incents and stuff like that to folks who are into that sort of thing? Or maybe like starting a fung Sui consulting firm?
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Post by chen35 on Mar 6, 2014 14:12:46 GMT -5
I think she means that men can work harder, because they aren't helping with a home and the kids. So startup with a man so he can do most of the work, but you get half of the benefit.
I read this yesterday, it was seriously depressing.
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Post by milee on Mar 6, 2014 14:23:00 GMT -5
In the detail, the author definitely treats a man as her financial plan and that's part of the problem between just seeing the summary of points (many of which I agree with) and seeing the detail (much of which I don't.) I interpreted the top level points from my own filter, which doesn't include using a man as a financial plan, so I came to different conclusions from reading the top level points posted in the OP:
1. Do less homework. --Yes. I was obsessive about being successful so spent way too much time making sure I got 100% at everything. 90% would still have been an A and would have let me do some other things I didn't have time to do, so I like this idea. 2. Get plastic surgery. -- If something makes you feel bad about yourself, you should not feel guilty about getting it fixed. Feeling good about yourself really makes a difference at any age, so if you have something fixable and you have the money for it, don't let others shame you into not having plastic surgery.
3. Go to business school right out of the gate. -- If you want to get a business degree, it's easier and less disruptive to your life to do that sooner rather than after you've put down roots and started to build a career, so makes sense to get the degree out of the gate if you can.
4. Start early looking for a husband seriously. -- If getting married is something you want and is a priority, it makes sense to look where and when there is the largest pool of available candidates. When you're younger, fewer people are married so there are more singles available. Plus once you start to work, you'll probably be working with people of all ages, which also cuts down on the number of similarly aged singles you'll meet during a lot of your day. So looking around while you're still around the largest available pool of what you want makes sense. Doesn't mean you have to get married right away, since you can date for a long time or even revisit friends from the past, but looking can't hurt and makes sense.
5. Milk maternity leave for all it’s worth. -- Keep a good relationship with your employer, but take care of yourself, too. If you've got time off for leave, enjoy it and don't feel guilty. Love your baby and get some rest.
6. Guard your marriage obsessively. -- Once you make the commitment, work hard to make it work. Don't give up too easily.
7. Practice austerity. -- Many people struggle with lifestyle creep, especially people with good careers who suddenly start making high incomes. It's tempting to blow all that new money after living on little for so long, but if you can hold off and save some first, then you'll have more freedom later.
8. Do a startup with a guy. -- "Guy" being symbolic of someone who has opposite skills than you. Don't start a business with someone exactly like you with your exact skill set, pick a partner that compliments you so you're a strong team.
9. If you can’t get men to do a startup with you, do a lifestyle business. -- Do a startup - start a business.
10. Homeschool. Your kids will be screwed if you don’t.-- Figure out what your particular kids need. Figure out what schooling options are available to you and in your area. Find the best match between the two. For some people that will be homeschooling, but for many more, that will not.
11. Spend money on household help and Botox to keep more doors open longer. -- Household help is not only a nice way to take care of yourself, but to avoid arguments over who does what. If you're in a career where youth and/or appearance is required to get or keep jobs, do what you can and are comfortable with to be attractive and appear youthful so you have many job options.
12. Break the mold in your 40s. -- 40s are fun. Enjoy them and try some new stuff.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Mar 6, 2014 14:30:52 GMT -5
I'm wondering a little bit on #11. What careers are there out there that youth and appearance matter? All of them? Most of them? Should it matter at all?
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Mar 6, 2014 14:46:47 GMT -5
When I drive, I have arguments with people in my head
That explains SO MUCH You mean that's not normal?! Crap......
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Post by movingforward on Mar 6, 2014 14:57:32 GMT -5
Our society doesn't do enough homework IMHO. We have too many people jumping into things without much thought process to begin with. People buy homes, cars, get married, have children, adopt animals, start companies, etc. without doing any research or thinking about how it will affect their lives. Suggesting that people actually do less homework is ridiculous to me.
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Post by michelyn8 on Mar 6, 2014 15:02:43 GMT -5
What does the author mean by doing less homework
Men don't want smart chicks. That's basically what I took away from her explaination. I need to focus less on being smarta nd more on being a great catch so I can spend my days getting Botox and trying to lure other men into business with me. I guess guarding your marriage only applies to keeping him from straying. I'm free to lure in men with my feminine wiles all I want as long as it is for "business". I took the less homework thing as men don't do as much homework in school as women because they are busy with sports and other activities that help build their social and later professional connections. So in her view, women should do the same because after all why work harder when that work can't possibly get you as much as a man will get just being a man. I wanted to scream when I read that one. I remember a lot of my male classmates putting a lot of effort into their school work and it didn't matter how smart they were to begin with or how many sports/extra-curriculars they participated in. Its has benefitted some and others not so much but how much depended on choices they made once they were out of school - same as my female classmates.
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Post by movingforward on Mar 6, 2014 15:10:15 GMT -5
This lady is a dream for those in the "good old boys club." Everything she says just reiterates the reasons they have for paying women less, keeping them in what was once called pink collar jobs, or not hiring them to begin with. I am glad she is fine with setting the female species back by 50 years but most of us don't care to live in the "Mad Men" era... ETA: I just want to add that what she wants for her particular life is fine but she seems to think that she actually KNOWS what other women SHOULD be doing
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Post by haapai on Mar 6, 2014 15:28:36 GMT -5
The most disingenuous part of this article is that it never admits that a man is her plan B.
I read "13 Ways ..." first and it definitely gave me the impression she'd made standing on her own a non-option. Following those ways sure makes it hard to procure w-2 employment and even if she does, she sure sounds like she's facing garnishment and has already used her BK card.
I wonder if the farmer suspects that he's her meal card until the debts become uncollectable or she can file BK again.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Mar 6, 2014 15:51:28 GMT -5
I'm wondering a little bit on #11. What careers are there out there that youth and appearance matter? All of them? Most of them? Should it matter at all? I think it matters in some, but not most. The ones I can think of where it matters: 1. Any job involving selling something in person. 2. Any job that requires you to be on TV, or the movies. 3. Politicians
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Post by Phoenix84 on Mar 6, 2014 16:00:15 GMT -5
Suggesting that a man be your financial plan goes against everything YM stands for! I say we start a turf war. Who's with me!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2014 16:08:24 GMT -5
I don't know - I mean maybe Anna Nicole Smith had the right idea....
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Mar 6, 2014 16:09:54 GMT -5
I thought she never got a dime b/c the old guys kids kept her in court forever.
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Post by movingforward on Mar 6, 2014 16:10:50 GMT -5
Suggesting that a man be your financial plan goes against everything YM stands for! I say we start a turf war. Who's with me! YM would eat this lady for breakfast. It wouldn't be much of a war
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Post by movingforward on Mar 6, 2014 16:12:56 GMT -5
I thought she never got a dime b/c the old guys kids kept her in court forever. And she died at age 40 or something like that...
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Mar 6, 2014 16:25:40 GMT -5
I thought she never got a dime b/c the old guys kids kept her in court forever. And she died at age 40 or something like that... I thought her 2 year old managed to inherit something. I just don't remember how much....
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Post by milee on Mar 6, 2014 16:32:49 GMT -5
I don't know - I mean maybe Anna Nicole Smith had the right idea.... Kind of. Except that old guy held on for much longer than anybody would have predicted. You really want to pick one out that's much closer to death.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Mar 6, 2014 21:28:01 GMT -5
I'm wondering a little bit on #11. What careers are there out there that youth and appearance matter? All of them? Most of them? Should it matter at all? I think it matters in some, but not most. The ones I can think of where it matters: 1. Any job involving selling something in person. 2. Any job that requires you to be on TV, or the movies. 3. Politicians I suspect that it matters a lot more than it should. You listed some obvious ones. How about, just generally, management? Do you think it helps, and, if so, how much?
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Post by NastyWoman on Mar 6, 2014 22:07:48 GMT -5
1. Do less homework. 2. Get plastic surgery.
3. Go to business school right out of the gate. On top of that, you are more likely to marry well. Men like women who are smart but not making more than they are. (I do not have a link for this. I have instinct.)
4. Start early looking for a husband seriously. 5. Milk maternity leave for all it’s worth. 6. Guard your marriage obsessively.
7. Practice austerity. 8. Do a startup with a guy. 9. If you can’t get men to do a startup with you, do a lifestyle business. 10. Homeschool. Your kids will be screwed if you don’t.
11. Spend money on household help and Botox to keep more doors open longer. 12. Break the mold in your 40s. And, if you are in your 40s and reading this, take solace in the fact that by the time women are in their 40s they are great in bed, so if you do nothing else, figure out how to have a lot of sex to leverage your hard-earned talent.
I am not going to read her article because that might spoil my input 5. Milk maternity leave for all it’s worth. --- Hey I stayed home for 20 years and I didn't even breast feed my kids. How much more milking do you want? 8. Do a startup with a guy. Fixed 11. Spend money on household help and Botox to keep more doors open longer. You think we are made of money? Close the friggin' door. I am not trying to heat/cool all of ....
That should do it for the moment. More deep thoughts on this subject later provided I feel like it
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Post by Nazgul Girl on Mar 6, 2014 22:29:20 GMT -5
I'm just stuck at the two commands to A. Homeschool your children, and B. Do everything you can to have a hugely successful business, preferably with some guy who's not your husband, and with whom you may or may not be having lots of sex, when and if you are over 40 and have already had lots of sex to give you the experience you need to leverage your "hard-won" talent. Somehow, the two goals don't seem very compatible. Even Betty Crocker is more modern than this misguided chick. I'm sure her husband just loves her "guarding" him "obsessively."
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2014 0:09:09 GMT -5
ETA: I just want to add that what she wants for her particular life is fine but she seems to think that she actually KNOWS what other women SHOULD be doing I'm pretty sure the prophets told her that this is what all women should be doing. I would put money on her being LDS. The statements she makes are interpretations I have heard out of members. They have a large following, so this resonates with a lot of women. Not my cup of tea. honeybbq is so polite. My first reaction when I saw some of the excerpts was how completely offensive this must be to a successful, highly educated female doctorate!! Disclaimer: I did NOT click on the links. No cred for that blogger.
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