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Post by daisy on Feb 26, 2014 11:20:53 GMT -5
I have been pondering a job change for a while and have an interview (same company) today for what sounds like everything I am looking for. Tomorrow morning I am having a biopsy for possible endometrial cancer; previous breast cancer and a laundry list of things likely to make it quite probable that it will be positive.
My my question is this; if my interview goes well and they offer me the job but the biopsy shows I need surgery and say 6 weeks off of work, am I wrong to want to accept the job? How would I explain needing time off etc....but hey I still want to work for you!
It it seems unethical to me to do that, I guess I am just wondering what other people think.
Plus, my boss will be delaying letting me go....my position is notoriously difficult to fill.
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Feb 26, 2014 11:42:37 GMT -5
The interview may give you a sense of the culture and expectations at the new company, making it easier to decide what to do. But Sroo has an excellent point that should definitely be part of the decision-making mix.
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Post by alabamagal on Feb 26, 2014 11:45:49 GMT -5
Are you interviewing with your current company? If so, I don't think there is any issue interviewing and accepting the job. Your company will be down 1 person anyway no matter what department you are in.
I would not switch to a new company in your situation.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 26, 2014 11:46:39 GMT -5
I'd go to the interview, if they really want you they may work with you. But I wouldn't mention anything till you have your test results and a job offer. You don't know yet for sure you'll need surgery. No need to put the cart before the horse.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2014 11:48:00 GMT -5
I agree with alabamagal. And I will send positive thoughts your way tomorrow.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Feb 26, 2014 12:01:21 GMT -5
I agree with DQ. You don't know the results of the biopsy yet (and my sincerest hopes for negative results). Also, even if the interview goes well, are you sure they'd offer you the job immediately?
I'd play it by ear and take each step at a time. If this is all within the same co, that should simplify things.
Good luck with the biopsy!
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Post by shanendoah on Feb 26, 2014 12:01:28 GMT -5
If you are staying with the same company (which I think from the OP you are), I say go for it. You will be protected by FMLA no matter what job you are in. Do NOT jump ship to a new company (in case I am reading the OP wrong). You will not have FMLA protection until you have been there a full year.
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Post by The Captain on Feb 26, 2014 12:14:01 GMT -5
shanendoah is correct. You are not covered by FMLA until you've been with the new employer for a full year. If you think there is a chance you have to take extended time off, now is NOT the time to change employers.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Feb 26, 2014 12:15:42 GMT -5
I don't have any advice. I'm just here wishing you all the best.
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Post by nogooddeed on Feb 26, 2014 13:03:25 GMT -5
I too wish you all the best, but if I made a job offer to someone and they then told me they would need 6 weeks off and probable time off for continuing treatment and knew when they interviewed there was a good chance this would occur, I'd be less than pleased. You really wouldn't be starting the job off on a good note and that might come back to haunt you later.
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Feb 26, 2014 13:11:13 GMT -5
But the OP doesn't currently know if she will need 6 weeks off. She suspects she might, but she really doesn't know anything yet for sure. If she finds out something concrete between the interview and the job offer, then agreed she should tell them if/when they express serious, concrete interest (perhaps as a real offer) in her. But I disagree with sabotaging her interview by telling the potential boss about something that may not occur.
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Post by sarcasticgirl on Feb 26, 2014 13:35:16 GMT -5
First off- Sending you positive vibes for your tests and your health.
As others have stated... if it is within the same company... it shouldn't really be an issue. If you feel you can handle it, then go for it.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Feb 26, 2014 14:50:07 GMT -5
But the OP doesn't currently know if she will need 6 weeks off. She suspects she might, but she really doesn't know anything yet for sure. If she finds out something concrete between the interview and the job offer, then agreed she should tell them if/when they express serious, concrete interest (perhaps as a real offer) in her. But I disagree with sabotaging her interview by telling the potential boss about something that may not occur. You said it better than I would have. I was going to say don't base a decision on a "what if." Good luck with the biopsy
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2014 15:23:34 GMT -5
First, I wish you all the best. Second, personally I have found in life not to factor in the "what ifs". Deal with what you know. What you know right now is that this is a great opportunity. Do the interview and keep your 'what ifs to yourself, you are not doing anything unethical to not disclose something you do not know to be a fact.
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Post by The Captain on Feb 26, 2014 15:40:12 GMT -5
First, I wish you all the best. Second, personally I have found in life not to factor in the "what ifs". Deal with what you know. What you know right now is that this is a great opportunity. Do the interview and keep your 'what ifs to yourself, you are not doing anything unethical to not disclose something you do not know to be a fact. Apple, I agree the OP has no obligation or ethical requirement to disclose the possibility. My concern about taking the job is there is no job protection at a new employer if the OP needs to take time off to deal with the illness. The business can legally terminate for taking too many sick days because the OP is not covered under FMLA until they've been employed for a year. If I were dealing with an illness, the last thing I'd want to worry about is losing my job because I had to take a few days off for treatment.
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Post by nogooddeed on Feb 26, 2014 15:42:48 GMT -5
First, I wish you all the best. Second, personally I have found in life not to factor in the "what ifs". Deal with what you know. What you know right now is that this is a great opportunity. Do the interview and keep your 'what ifs to yourself, you are not doing anything unethical to not disclose something you do not know to be a fact. Apple, I agree the OP has no obligation or ethical requirement to disclose the possibility. My concern about taking the job is there is no job protection at a new employer if the OP needs to take time off to deal with the illness. The business can legally terminate for taking too many sick days because the OP is not covered under FMLA until they've been employed for a year. If I were dealing with an illness, the last thing I'd want to worry about is losing my job because I had to take a few days off for treatment. The OP stated the job is with the same employer.
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Post by The Captain on Feb 26, 2014 15:57:07 GMT -5
Whoops! Missed that, daisy then by all means go for it and good luck with everything! Thanks nogooddeed.
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Post by daisy on Feb 26, 2014 16:22:31 GMT -5
Thanks everyone for the good wishes on the biopsy and all of the answers! Yes, I am staying with the same company (hospital) so FMLA issues are not going to be a problem. I am just back from the interview and it went really well. I didn't mention any health issues because as several of you have said, nothing is concrete yet. I will know more next week as there are two more interviews scheduled. Talking with an insider I found that most of the applicants do not have my credentials so that's a positive. I posted this because I was thinking along the lines of what nogooddeed said....I am afraid that if they offered the job to me and I accepted, then had to explain the surgery, it would not reflect well on my future working relationship. Since they won't be making a decision until next week I should have biopsy results in hand and be able to make a more informed decision. Thanks again, I am glad I stopped lurking (since 2007 when I started working night shift and was reading msn money for kicks) and joined up!
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 26, 2014 16:28:20 GMT -5
....I am afraid that if they offered the job to me and I accepted, then had to explain the surgery, it would not reflect well on my future working relationship
I don't think it would b/c there is no way for you to know 100% for sure yet. The ball doesn't need to get rolling till you have an actual diagnosis. Getting all that going based on a "maybe" is a PITA for everyone.
Once you know for sure THEN be upfront, they can always decide to go with the runner-up if need be. OR they'll work with you once everybody knows the actual situation.
Speculating shoots you in the foot and may cause hassles if they start making arrangements you don't end up needing. Better for everyone to have concrete facts in hand before discussing things.
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 26, 2014 16:32:26 GMT -5
Staying with the same company there is absolutely nothing unethical about going to the interview and accepting the job, if offered. Deal with the health issues as they become pertinent. What might happen isn't pertinent, so don't consider it at this point.
Good luck with the results from the biopsy! Let's hope it just looks like it's going to require surgery, but doesn't once all is known.
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Post by Shooby on Feb 27, 2014 7:28:31 GMT -5
Not sure how this falls under an "ethics" question. You don't have to display your entire health history to everyone, including your employer. However, since it is possible you will need extended time off, then of course it is something you will need to discuss with them. But, I guess you need to think this through. Would it be better to wait and work on getting a new job after you have some resolution to your health issues? If not, then if you do approach your new employer with this, it is possible they might not offer you the job. So, would you be better to table this and then go back to them later afterwards or would the job you want be gone by then? There are a lot of things to think about at this point and how you want to approach it. Best of luck in your decision.
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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on Feb 28, 2014 14:11:32 GMT -5
If you have to ask, then yes its an ethical dilemma! I agree that right now, nothing is definite. There is no reason to sabotage your interview. From the point of view of the company; would you hire someone knowing that they might need a bunch of time off, and have an extremely expensive medical condition? I'm thinking of folks like Zib's DF's business who she's said pays a ton of insurance on one or two expensive employees. This might have the interviewer posting here asking "is it ethical to reject a qualified candidate over insurance costs?" This may not fit your situation, and I'm taking creative liberties. I think there is too little certain information to say anything at this juncture. If nothing else, you get interview practice! Good luck.
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Post by daisy on Mar 2, 2014 2:29:18 GMT -5
Interview practice is all I ended up getting. Sigh, yesterday afternoon I received the dreaded, 'thanks but we found someone better, smarter and prettier than you' email. But it certainly was great practice because after rehashing the hour I realized that I was too lazy with the answers to two questions. I shall refine my answers for the next time!
No word on the biopsy but I was told I wouldn't hear before Monday earliest. Possibly not getting the job was a sign. One less dilemma.
Creative liberties welcome! I am employed by a medium sized hospital so I am quite sure a whole lotta $$$ flows out already in our subsidized insurance costs.
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Post by truthbound on Mar 2, 2014 5:02:04 GMT -5
Nothing wrong with going to an interview. But if something comes up during the process that would affect your employment you should immediately tell them.
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Post by milee on Mar 2, 2014 9:09:04 GMT -5
From the point of view of the company; would you hire someone knowing that they might need a bunch of time off, and have an extremely expensive medical condition? I'm thinking of folks like Zib's DF's business who she's said pays a ton of insurance on one or two expensive employees. This might have the interviewer posting here asking "is it ethical to reject a qualified candidate over insurance costs?" This year, the cost of policies will only differ based on age, not conditions, so the cost of policy for this potential employee would be the same regardless of her health.
But the need for large volumes of time off immediately upon starting is definitely an issue that most employers would consider a potential problem. OP doesn't disclose the type of position, but some positions are easier to cover than others. On the plus side, since she works for a hospital and most hospitals are reasonably large and many of their employees are of a skill set that's relatively homogenous, finding replacements to cover a missing employee may not be a big deal at all.
Sounds like the issue resolved itself - sorry about the letter, Daisy - but FWIW, as of this point in time there wouldn't be any reason to discuss the issue with the potential employer, especially since you don't have a diagnosis. Hopefully those biopsy results will show no cancer and it won't be any issue at all in the future.
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