Amanda Knox convicted

[Ombud]

& sentenced to 28 yrs. Will we extradite?

[Chocolate Lover]

I'd never be leaving this one again after her experience. 

How many do overs do the Italians get anyway? I never can keep straight why this one even was allowed to happen/

[justme]

From what I've read, I think they get an unlimited amount. Higher court already acquitted her because the only direct evidence connecting her there was not handled properly and found not to have her DNA in it after all. So now they'll appeal, though since he's in the country the guy might get sent right back to jail, which will take at least a year at which it could wind up back at the higher court that acquitted her before. But the prosecutor could just file again even if it's acquitted again.

I still haven't figured out how they're giving these two more than double the sentence of the guy that admitted to it, from what I understand the prosecutor is arguing they were there and had knowledge but it was the guy that got 13 years that actually killed her. Though the article I read said the prosecutor has completely redone his story of what happened that day based off comments from the acquittal.

[Chocolate Lover]

That's just all kinds of insane. 

[Shooby]

Why doesn't she have enough sense to just disappear?

[justme]

She basically has. She's in the states, not Italy. She doesn't really control whether the national media picks up her case. But most experts have said that the US won't OK an extradition in this case due to our double jeopardy clause in our constitution. At this point she's well on her way to fourth jeopardy over there.

[NancysSummerSip]

And why should she "disappear?"

Her conviction was overturned, and by U.S. law, she cannot be tried again, based on the double jeopardy rule. She does not believe herself to be complicit in or guilty of the murder of Meredith Kercher. And while she could be extradited, the possibility is not likely. So why should she disappear, when any media outlet could find her anyway, if they wanted to, as justzombies pointed out? She has a life to lead, hemmed in though it now is by being unable to travel outside the U.S. (doing so would likely result in getting picked up).

[Spellbound454]

My overriding impression of her, from having watched the original trial was that she is very odd

Some sort of personality disorder....but it doesn't mean she is a killer.

She will not be extradited and truly I wish she would just disappear in to the woodwork instead of trying to make money from her case.
Very Strange goings on. Meredith Kercher and her family need justice for her murder.

[jeep108]

I thought they had the real killer that confessed already in jail.  Sounds like Italy likes to waste tax payers money.

[marvholly]

Ialready responsed to this over on the P & M forum. It is going to cause a LOT of international issues for our gov because of the extradition treaty we have w/Italy.

[Deleted]

I hope we don't extradite.  I have followed the case a little and I don't see how she was convicted.  As far as I know there isn't any evidence connecting her to the crime, just weird theories.  And there is a ton of physical evidence that it was Rudy Guede. It all makes the legal system in Italy look too messed up for me to visit. 

[Phoenix84]

I haven't really followed this case.  Is Knox a U.S citizen?

[justme]

Jan 31, 2014 13:28:23 GMT -5 Phoenix84 said:

I haven't really followed this case.  Is Knox a U.S citizen?

Yes, she was studying abroad in Italy when her roommate (who was from England) was killed. From everything I've seen the whole case has been boondoggled and at worst they've purposefully railroaded her and her then bf.

[Phoenix84]

Jan 31, 2014 13:32:24 GMT -5 justme said:

Jan 31, 2014 13:28:23 GMT -5 Phoenix84 said:

I haven't really followed this case.  Is Knox a U.S citizen?

Yes, she was studying abroad in Italy when her roommate (who was from England) was killed. From everything I've seen the whole case has been boondoggled and at worst they've purposefully railroaded her and her then bf.

Well, I don't know of the evidence against her.  But if she's a U.S citizen she can't face more than one trial, so I'm glad they aren't going to extradite her.

[chen35]

Jan 30, 2014 17:25:37 GMT -5 Spellbound454 said:

My overriding impression of her, from having watched the original trial was that she is very odd

Some sort of personality disorder....but it doesn't mean she is a killer.

She will not be extradited and truly I wish she would just disappear in to the woodwork instead of trying to make money from her case.
Very Strange goings on. Meredith Kercher and her family need justice for her murder.

Normally I would agree, but her family has gone into hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt for her defense team. She has stated before that she is hoping proceeds from her book can help offset that. There really isn't another way for her to pay it back.

[swamp]

The US's justice system isn't perfect, but wow, Italy's is just frightening.

[Virgil Showlion]

Jan 31, 2014 14:44:27 GMT -5 swamp said:

The US's justice system isn't perfect, but wow, Italy's is just frightening.

You'd think all the loopholes and do-overs would inspire the mob to set up shop there or something.

[movingforward]

Jan 30, 2014 17:25:37 GMT -5 Spellbound454 said:

My overriding impression of her, from having watched the original trial was that she is very odd

Some sort of personality disorder....but it doesn't mean she is a killer.

She will not be extradited and truly I wish she would just disappear in to the woodwork instead of trying to make money from her case.
Very Strange goings on. Meredith Kercher and her family need justice for her murder.

Her "weirdness" was pretty much the only evidence the Italian government had to convict her.  She apparently didn't respond the way they believed she should have in accordance to her roommate's death.  If we convicted people for being weird here in the US then more than 1/2 the population would be in prison.  I don't even really believe mostl of the story from the guy who confessed and sometimes I wonder if Knox and her boyfriend even remember what they did that night.  You are right, this entire case is strange as hell...

[Phoenix84]

Jan 31, 2014 15:02:17 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Jan 31, 2014 14:44:27 GMT -5 swamp said:

The US's justice system isn't perfect, but wow, Italy's is just frightening.

You'd think all the loopholes and do-overs would inspire the mob to set up shop there or something.

Italy's justice system is definitely strange.  It seems like basically they go around in cricles until someone gets fed up and doesn't want to file the paperwork for the next appeal or retrial.

[grits]

Jan 31, 2014 15:02:17 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Jan 31, 2014 14:44:27 GMT -5 swamp said:

The US's justice system isn't perfect, but wow, Italy's is just frightening.

You'd think all the loopholes and do-overs would inspire the mob to set up shop there or something.

I had a friend whose grandmother grew up in Sicily. Every time a car backfired, they'd hit the dirt. I used to love it how Sophia on The Golden Girls would talk about the mob in Sicily.  People laughed but it really used to be that bad.  

[Ombud]

Just wondering: is Italy an 'innocent until proven guilty' or a 'guilty until proven innocent' country? Is that why they don't go to jail until all appeals are exhausted?

[chiver78]

Jan 30, 2014 17:25:37 GMT -5 Spellbound454 said:

My overriding impression of her, from having watched the original trial was that she is very odd

Some sort of personality disorder....but it doesn't mean she is a killer.

She will not be extradited and truly I wish she would just disappear in to the woodwork instead of trying to make money from her case.
Very Strange goings on. Meredith Kercher and her family need justice for her murder.

I'm not aware of her actively trying to make money from her case......do you know something I don't?

[chiver78]

Feb 1, 2014 17:44:44 GMT -5 Ombud said:

Just wondering: is Italy an 'innocent until proven guilty' or a 'guilty until proven innocent' country? Is that why they don't go to jail until all appeals are exhausted?

then why did she sit in jail for 4 years until the conviction was overturned?

I don't profess to be an expert on this case, but the lot of what's made American news all sounds pretty fishy. I know that our news isn't always everything that's out there for reporting, but still.

[Tennesseer]

Jan 30, 2014 17:18:13 GMT -5 NancysSummerSip said:

And why should she "disappear?"

Her conviction was overturned, and by U.S. law, she cannot be tried again, based on the double jeopardy rule.She does not believe herself to be complicit in or guilty of the murder of Meredith Kercher. And while she could be extradited, the possibility is not likely. So why should she disappear, when any media outlet could find her anyway, if they wanted to, as justzombies pointed out? She has a life to lead, hemmed in though it now is by being unable to travel outside the U.S. (doing so would likely result in getting picked up).

Double jeopardy does not apply to U.S. citizens who are tried in other countries.  And you must remember-she was not tried a second time and found innocent.  Her conviction was simply thrown out with the option of a retrial-which is what just happened.

I see her eventually being extradited to Italy.  More wanted criminals are extradited to the U.S. from Italy (and other countries) than U.S. citizens extradited to Italy and (other countries).  Do we really want to break extradition treaties when the U.S. benefits the most from them?

[justme]

Feb 1, 2014 21:51:55 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jan 30, 2014 17:18:13 GMT -5 NancysSummerSip said:

And why should she "disappear?"

Her conviction was overturned, and by U.S. law, she cannot be tried again, based on the double jeopardy rule.She does not believe herself to be complicit in or guilty of the murder of Meredith Kercher. And while she could be extradited, the possibility is not likely. So why should she disappear, when any media outlet could find her anyway, if they wanted to, as justzombies pointed out? She has a life to lead, hemmed in though it now is by being unable to travel outside the U.S. (doing so would likely result in getting picked up).

Double jeopardy does not apply to U.S. citizens who are tried in other countries.  And you must remember-she was not tried a second time and found innocent.  Her conviction was simply thrown out with the option of a retrial-which is what just happened.

I see her eventually being extradited to Italy.  More wanted criminals are extradited to the U.S. from Italy (and other countries) than U.S. citizens extradited to Italy and (other countries).  Do we really want to break extradition treaties when the U.S. benefits the most from them?

Actually, from what I've read - she was tried. The appeals court decided on a not guilty verdict, and because it was a higher court it "overturned" the lower court's guilty verdict but not in the sense of appeals overturning cases in the US. The appeals court does not work like the ones in the states where they send it back to the lower court - they give out verdicts which if found not guilty the lower court can elect to retry again.

It's really muddy, the American media has a hard enough time correctly reporting our justice system let alone trying to decipher one that's so different. But, I remember watching the appeals court verdict live and they distinctly said "not guilty" and not "overturned, go back to try again" where as appeals courts in the US never determine guilt or innocence. There's a reason she was immediately released from jail after the not guilty verdict.

[Spellbound454]

Her "weirdness" was pretty much the only evidence the Italian government had to convict her.

Not really...she lied and lied and each statement she gave was proven to be untrue.
This circus is of her own making.

I'm not aware of her actively trying to make money from her case......do you know something I don't?

She wrote a book and has been all over the media.

More wanted criminals are extradited to the U.S. from Italy (and other countries) than U.S. citizens extradited to Italy and (other countries).

....that's true and the rest of the world are sitting up thinking, how come this extradition process only works in one direction ie...people going to the US but the US won't honour its side of the bargain.
Why should any country send their citizens to the US at all? 

Italy have a different judiciary....doesn't mean its wrong.....Its not double jeopardy since the layered levels haven't been completed yet...and her prosecution is not complete.
The US should have looked at the trials process in the various countries before signing the treaty.......Not trying to protect a citizen by saying "we don't like that so we are not sending her"

I don't know whether she is guilty or not.....Its hard to make sense of all the conflicting statements, although she wasn't where she said she was.. and Guede says they were there.
If she did kill Meredith Kercher in some sort of drug fuelled haze.....she needs to go to prison.

[Spellbound454]

I have to say also that there is plenty of evidence against Amanda Knox that took 11 months to go though.
themurderofmeredithkercher.com/Myths_debunked

Its not some sort of stitch up by a Foreign country on a cute American girl.....Why would you defend her?

Plenty of American criminals have been convicted on a lot less.