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Post by billisonboard on Jan 31, 2014 8:56:07 GMT -5
If you throw ANYONE out of the boat, are you not making some kind of value judgement no matter who? Is this what we really want to teach our kids? People make value judgments all the time. I do want to teach children to do so logically. Lessons like this work to do that. |
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Virgil Showlion
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 31, 2014 9:18:47 GMT -5
If you throw ANYONE out of the boat, are you not making some kind of value judgement no matter who? Is this what we really want to teach our kids? People make value judgments all the time. I do want to teach children to do so logically. Lessons like this work to do that. No they don't. They let kids come up with whatever judgment criteria please them and then discuss it until they're blue in the face. Students are just as likely or more likely to learn how to rationalize their own viewpoints. And even in the fantastically unlikely case that an entire class agreed on which lives were worth saving, there's no guarantee whatsoever that the consensus is optimal or even logical. |
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Post by billisonboard on Jan 31, 2014 9:23:03 GMT -5
Sir Virgil, Might you be able to provide evidence that 7 of the 8 items shown in the OP are in any way connected to Common Core curriculum? One clearly is. The "Who Should Survive" appears to be a teacher generated paper. "Hundred chart addition" predates Common Core. The others might or might not be connected to Common Core. All of the photos were posted by teachers or parents on a "show us your students' common core homework" Twitter feed. I trust teachers to recognize curriculum changes from pre-CC to post-CC. You indicate teachers and parents posted items. Is it pre or post CC if it was first used by a teacher years ago but a parent sees it for the first time this year? |
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Post by billisonboard on Jan 31, 2014 9:26:12 GMT -5
People make value judgments all the time. I do want to teach children to do so logically. Lessons like this work to do that. No they don't. They let kids come up with whatever judgment criteria please them and then discuss it until they're blue in the face. Students are just as likely or more likely to learn how to rationalize their own viewpoints. And even in the fantastically unlikely case that an entire class agreed on which lives were worth saving, there's no guarantee whatsoever that the consensus is optimal or even logical. Yes, we live in an imperfect world without guarantee of desired outcome.  |
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Post by thyme4change on Jan 31, 2014 9:28:46 GMT -5
What was wrong with the gymnastics question? It didn't say exhibition.
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Post by Shooby on Jan 31, 2014 9:55:00 GMT -5
If you throw ANYONE out of the boat, are you not making some kind of value judgement no matter who? Is this what we really want to teach our kids? People make value judgments all the time. I do want to teach children to do so logically. Lessons like this work to do that. There is nothing "logical" about throwing people overboard. That's ridiculous.  |
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Post by Shooby on Jan 31, 2014 9:55:31 GMT -5
What the freak do you do with those "boxes" for the math? I never learned math like that. Most of this stuff looks idiotic and nonsensical. ... The hundreds chart is a valuable learning resource to help young children with counting to 100, counting by 2's, 5's, 10's and seeing counting patterns. Regular use of the hundreds chart from kindergarten to the 3rd grade supports many counting concepts. math.about.com/od/countin1/a/100chart.htm It's stoooopid. |
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Post by Shooby on Jan 31, 2014 9:56:07 GMT -5
Funny, I managed to get through College level Calculus, Physics and PChem without ever making those absurd boxes.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 31, 2014 9:58:37 GMT -5
What was wrong with the gymnastics question? It didn't say exhibition. When it asks "How many events are scored?", is it asking about each competitor's attempt in each event, or each event as a category? Plus, how do we know the events are scored at all? Hence the baseline correct answers are 0, 4, or 32. The "extra information" that should be crossed out may or may not include the third-to-last sentence and may or may not include the second-to-last sentence, depending on how we interpret the question. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2014 10:04:42 GMT -5
That's it. I am homeschooling.
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Post by billisonboard on Jan 31, 2014 10:11:19 GMT -5
What was wrong with the gymnastics question? It didn't say exhibition. When it asks "How many events are scored?", is it asking about each competitor's attempt in each event, or each event as a category? Plus, how do we know the events are scored at all? Hence the baseline correct answers are 0, 4, or 32. The "extra information" that should be crossed out may or may not include the third-to-last sentence and may or may not include the second-to-last sentence, depending on how we interpret the question. If you were my parent, I certainly wouldn't have wanted to ask for your help on homework when I was in elementary school. My mother used to say of my brother, "I asked what time it was, not how to build a watch." |
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 31, 2014 13:58:53 GMT -5
When it asks "How many events are scored?", is it asking about each competitor's attempt in each event, or each event as a category? Plus, how do we know the events are scored at all? Hence the baseline correct answers are 0, 4, or 32. The "extra information" that should be crossed out may or may not include the third-to-last sentence and may or may not include the second-to-last sentence, depending on how we interpret the question. If you were my parent, I certainly wouldn't have wanted to ask for your help on homework when I was in elementary school. My mother used to say of my brother, "I asked what time it was, not how to build a watch." If it came down to it, I'd tell my kid "the answer is 32; it's a poorly-worded question" and leave it at that. Why do I think the answer is 32? Because my guess is the writers want students to perform at least one mathematical computation as part of the exercise, and 4x8 = 32 is the only candidate. This is my gut feel, which has nothing to do with the math. I'd prefer that my kid grow up learning how to infer relevance from actual facts, not his gut feel. |
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Post by workpublic on Jan 31, 2014 14:05:19 GMT -5
I would like them to grow actually able to read write and cipher anything else is electives  |
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