Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio Is At It Again

[Virgil Showlion]

Jan 20, 2014 17:29:18 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jan 20, 2014 17:05:39 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

... We're never in a million years going to see eye to eye on "reasonable and sensible".

Which is why it is the collective decision of elected officials and judges put in place by due process who make these decisions.

...despite not being the ones who have to live with the consequences.

But you're right: the law is the bottom line.

[Tennesseer]

Jan 20, 2014 17:43:16 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

Jan 20, 2014 16:58:28 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

You are right. It is only about $31 million plus according to this report from this Phoenix news station.  $21 million over the next 18 months and $10 million each year until his department is no longer under the judge's order.

Sheriff Joe Arpaio racial profiling costs taxpayers $21M

ETA:  by the way GEL, I never said Arpaio broke the law.  The closest I get to even possibly referring that he did (break the law) is me telling you to read the opening post.  I did say he violated the constitutional rights of county citizens by his department's racial profiling.

Yes you did. Here is your post. Reply #68.

Arpaio broke the law.




So both those sneaking over the border and Arpaio all broke the law(s).

I don't think it gets much more clear than that.  That is why I was asking you what law he broke.

I'm not saying his conduct isn't going to be costly.  But nobody, including some news station knows those figures.  I repeat - if it costs $100 million....they keep voting for him.

That's the last time I use the computer search function and look for 'law' (with a space after the word law).  I should have searched for 'law.' with a period after the word.  Damn.

As for the news station--I would think a news station located in Phoenix which is located in Maricopa county (in which Arapio is the elected sheriff) would have a pretty good idea regarding the cost of Arpaio's police force conduct.  Additionally, the trial was held in Phoenix where U.S. District Court Judge Murray Snow is located. Local Phoenix news stations would know the cost as ordered by the judge.  It's naïve to think they would not. 

As for if it costs $100 million-what can I say.  Fools vote too.

[sesfw]

Fools vote too.

This is how bho got elected for a second term.  Thank heaven he is almost a has-been.

 

[Tennesseer]

Jan 20, 2014 19:59:39 GMT -5 sesfw said:

Fools vote too.

This is how bho got elected for a second term.  Thank heaven he is almost a has-been.

 

That ìs how Bush got elected to two terms too.

[Green Eyed Lady]

Additionally, the trial was held in Phoenix where U.S. District Court Judge Murray Snow is located. Local Phoenix news stations would know the cost as ordered by the judge.

Again, as far as the article you linked goes, the JUDGE DIDNT ORDER ANY COSTS.  The judge ordered procedural changes.  He put no monetary amount on those changes.  He didn't say, "You must spend $29 million dollars on these changes."  This is an estimate and in my opinion, is waaaaaaaay overblown to get people worked up on both sides.  Appears it worked.

As far as the next two posts, I think you are both right.

[djAdvocate]

Jan 20, 2014 16:37:42 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

And there was no "$29 million compliance charge".  In my opinion, that's an overblown estimate (overblown by the Sheriff himself) for dramatic effect.  Even if it isn't, if they keep electing the guy, I have a difficult time working myself up over it.

just out of curiosity, did you feel the same way about Marion Berry?

[Green Eyed Lady]

I don't understand your question.  Did I "feel" the same way about Marion Berry?  What same way is that?

[djAdvocate]

Jan 20, 2014 22:25:15 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

I don't understand your question.  Did I "feel" the same way about Marion Berry?  What same way is that?

did you get yourself worked up over him getting re-elected after he smoked crack, or are you really a bygones-bygones gal? 

[Green Eyed Lady]

Nope.  Not worked up about him at all.  People make mistakes, and from what I've read, Mayor Berry did a lot of good things in office.  BUT?  Had he been voted into office after his prison stint for cocaine, and gone back into the Mayor's Office, snorted a line and then really effed up some decision costing the citizens...what is it now?...$200 million? I feel the same way.  The citizens of Washington DC voted for him - knowing his history.  I wouldn't be able to get all worked up about that either.

[djAdvocate]

Jan 20, 2014 22:52:43 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

Nope.  Not worked up about him at all.  People make mistakes, and from what I've read, Mayor Berry did a lot of good things in office.  BUT?  Had he been voted into office after his prison stint for cocaine, and gone back into the Mayor's Office, snorted a line and then really effed up some decision costing the citizens...what is it now?...$200 million? I feel the same way.  The citizens of Washington DC voted for him - knowing his history.  I wouldn't be able to get all worked up about that either.

i know people like to mock consistency, but i admire it.  you are very consistent, GEL. 

[vandalshandle]

Personally, I don't mock consistancy. I enjoy mocking birds. That upsets some posters, and once I had to post that is a sin to kill for mocking birds. After that he left me alone, but I carry a broken pocket knife in my bib overalls to this very day... just in case.

Scout.

[djAdvocate]

Jan 20, 2014 23:47:21 GMT -5 vandalshandle said:

Personally, I don't mock consistancy. I enjoy mocking birds. That upsets some posters, and once I had to post that is a sin to kill for mocking birds. After that he left me alone, but I carry a broken pocket knife in my bib overalls to this very day... just in case.

Scout.

Tequila Mockingbirds

[Virgil Showlion]

Jan 20, 2014 23:14:32 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jan 20, 2014 22:52:43 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

Nope.  Not worked up about him at all.  People make mistakes, and from what I've read, Mayor Berry did a lot of good things in office.  BUT?  Had he been voted into office after his prison stint for cocaine, and gone back into the Mayor's Office, snorted a line and then really effed up some decision costing the citizens...what is it now?...$200 million? I feel the same way.  The citizens of Washington DC voted for him - knowing his history.  I wouldn't be able to get all worked up about that either.

i know people like to mock consistency, but i admire it.  you are very consistent, GEL. 

I've heard tell that consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds.

[djAdvocate]

Jan 21, 2014 1:32:53 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Jan 20, 2014 23:14:32 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

i know people like to mock consistency, but i admire it.  you are very consistent, GEL. 

I've heard tell that consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds.

not a big fan on that phrase, as you might have guessed.  i have always felt that ignorance is the hobgoblin of small minds. 

[billisonboard]

Jan 21, 2014 1:32:53 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Jan 20, 2014 23:14:32 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

i know people like to mock consistency, but i admire it.  you are very consistent, GEL. 

I've heard tell that consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds.

I've heard tell that foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds. Rigidity is a great trait for metal, not so great for the human mind.

[Deleted]

Jan 18, 2014 10:24:10 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jan 18, 2014 9:48:09 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

I like Joe.  I would be one of the majority who votes for him if I lived there.

And you would be one of those paying part of the $29 million to comply with the court order for his department's racial profiling.

I would have no problem paying my share. I wonder if those supposedly profiled minorities will have a problem paying their same share.

[Deleted]

Jan 18, 2014 11:20:49 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jan 18, 2014 9:48:09 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

I like Joe.  I would be one of the majority who votes for him if I lived there.

do you mind me asking: why?

I used to live in a suburb of Chicago for 20 years (in Cook county) and payed approximately 1000% more in property tax than the similar valued property I live on now.  Joe's minimalist approach to housing prisoners is similar to what happens here in AR.  I would vote for that rather than the luxury resort style prisons as in Illinois.

[Virgil Showlion]

Jan 21, 2014 9:18:44 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jan 21, 2014 1:32:53 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

I've heard tell that consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds.

I've heard tell that foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds. Rigidity is a great trait for metal, not so great for the human mind.

I suppose the quote would have some actual purpose beyond a rhetorical barb if we could all agree on what a "foolish consistency" was.

In the meantime, I like Bill "Actual Argument" is On Board (I was relieved when he actually showed up) quite a bit better than I like Bill " a Quote and Leave" is On Board.

[Tennesseer]

Jan 21, 2014 11:38:29 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Jan 18, 2014 10:24:10 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

And you would be one of those paying part of the $29 million to comply with the court order for his department's racial profiling.

I would have no problem paying my share. I wonder if those supposedly profiled minorities will have a problem paying their same share.

Why should they?   And the court has said they were not supposedly profiled.  The court has said they were profiled.  

Fortunately for you, you live in Arkansas so you do not have to worry about paying your share.  Easy for those not a resident of Maricopa county to say that.

[Deleted]

Jan 21, 2014 11:59:24 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jan 21, 2014 11:38:29 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

I would have no problem paying my share. I wonder if those supposedly profiled minorities will have a problem paying their same share.

Why should they?   And the court has said they were not supposedly profiled.  The court has said they were profiled.  

Fortunately for you, you live in Arkansas so you do not have to worry about paying your share.  Easy for those not a resident of Maricopa county to say that.

It's your hypothetical situation.  I was answering it.  I merely said I like Joe, and would vote for him if I lived there.

[billisonboard]

Jan 21, 2014 11:55:10 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

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In the meantime, I like Bill "Actual Argument" is On Board (I was relieved when he actually showed up) quite a bit better than I like Bill " a Quote and Leave" is On Board.

Hear that. A reconfiguration of my living space moved my desktop to a back room and I have been attempting to learn how to post from my first tablet. It has been a challenge. I am about ready to call it a failed experiment and go to Plan B (which I need to develop - any suggestions?).

[mmhmm]

Jan 21, 2014 13:21:18 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jan 21, 2014 11:55:10 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

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In the meantime, I like Bill "Actual Argument" is On Board (I was relieved when he actually showed up) quite a bit better than I like Bill " a Quote and Leave" is On Board.

Hear that. A reconfiguration of my living space moved my desktop to a back room and I have been attempting to learn how to post from my first tablet. It has been a challenge. I am about ready to call it a failed experiment and go to Plan B (which I need to develop - any suggestions?).

Turn the back room into a man-cave and crawl in? 

[Tennesseer]

Jan 21, 2014 13:21:18 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jan 21, 2014 11:55:10 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

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In the meantime, I like Bill "Actual Argument" is On Board (I was relieved when he actually showed up) quite a bit better than I like Bill " a Quote and Leave" is On Board.

Hear that. A reconfiguration of my living space moved my desktop to a back room and I have been attempting to learn how to post from my first tablet. It has been a challenge. I am about ready to call it a failed experiment and go to Plan B (which I need to develop - any suggestions?).

With your tablet, do you sometimes have a problem with the letter 'I' or 'i' when using the quote function?  Sometimes stand alone 'I's or words beginning with an 'i' will send my curser up into the quoted material. If I do not catch it, it steps all over the quoted text and messes up the quote.

[billisonboard]

Jan 21, 2014 11:55:10 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Jan 21, 2014 9:18:44 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

I've heard tell that foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds. Rigidity is a great trait for metal, not so great for the human mind.

I suppose the quote would have some actual purpose beyond a rhetorical barb if we could all agree on what a "foolish consistency" was.
...

The essence of my point is that discussion of what is "foolish consistency". You found fault with people not being "consistent" in applying "efficiency" to two different situations: IRS screening of tax exempt applications based on words contained in organizations names and police pulling over of individuals based on perceive ethnicity. I think to be consistent in those two situations would not be a positive.

[billisonboard]

Jan 21, 2014 13:26:12 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Jan 21, 2014 13:21:18 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Hear that. A reconfiguration of my living space moved my desktop to a back room and I have been attempting to learn how to post from my first tablet. It has been a challenge. I am about ready to call it a failed experiment and go to Plan B (which I need to develop - any suggestions?).

Turn the back room into a man-cave and crawl in? 

My wife indicated that it was nice that I no longer had my back to her all the time. I think that doing as you suggest would not be well received. I am thinking maybe Chromebook.

[billisonboard]

Jan 21, 2014 13:28:09 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jan 21, 2014 13:21:18 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Hear that. A reconfiguration of my living space moved my desktop to a back room and I have been attempting to learn how to post from my first tablet. It has been a challenge. I am about ready to call it a failed experiment and go to Plan B (which I need to develop - any suggestions?).

With your tablet, do you sometimes have a problem with the letter 'I' or 'i' when using the quote function?  Sometimes stand alone 'I's or words beginning with an 'i' will send my curser up into the quoted material. If I do not catch it, it steps all over the quoted text and messes up the quote.

Haven't noticed that specifically. Will look for it.

[Virgil Showlion]

Jan 21, 2014 13:53:25 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jan 21, 2014 11:55:10 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

I suppose the quote would have some actual purpose beyond a rhetorical barb if we could all agree on what a "foolish consistency" was.
...

The essence of my point is that discussion of what is "foolish consistency". You found fault with people not being "consistent" in applying "efficiency" to two different situations: IRS screening of tax exempt applications based on words contained in organizations names and police pulling over of individuals based on perceive ethnicity. I think to be consistent in those two situations would not be a positive.

I know (knew) exactly what you meant in reply #48.

But it wasn't until later, when we debated the specifics of why you didn't see it as apples-to-apples, that the discussion went anywhere. Quotations can serve as nuggets of insight in a discussion, but they don't suffice as arguments.

[billisonboard]

Jan 21, 2014 14:51:15 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Jan 21, 2014 13:53:25 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

The essence of my point is that discussion of what is "foolish consistency". You found fault with people not being "consistent" in applying "efficiency" to two different situations: IRS screening of tax exempt applications based on words contained in organizations names and police pulling over of individuals based on perceive ethnicity. I think to be consistent in those two situations would not be a positive.

I know (knew) exactly what you meant in reply #48.

But it wasn't until later, when we debated the specifics of why you didn't see it as apples-to-apples, that the discussion went anywhere. Quotations can serve as nuggets of insight in a discussion, but they don't suffice as arguments.

The discussion went somewhere?

[Virgil Showlion]

Jan 21, 2014 15:30:05 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jan 21, 2014 14:51:15 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

I know (knew) exactly what you meant in reply #48.

But it wasn't until later, when we debated the specifics of why you didn't see it as apples-to-apples, that the discussion went anywhere. Quotations can serve as nuggets of insight in a discussion, but they don't suffice as arguments.

The discussion went somewhere?

It kind of marched off a cliff at "reasonable and sensible", but up until then...

[Green Eyed Lady]

Jan 20, 2014 23:14:32 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jan 20, 2014 22:52:43 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

Nope.  Not worked up about him at all.  People make mistakes, and from what I've read, Mayor Berry did a lot of good things in office.  BUT?  Had he been voted into office after his prison stint for cocaine, and gone back into the Mayor's Office, snorted a line and then really effed up some decision costing the citizens...what is it now?...$200 million? I feel the same way.  The citizens of Washington DC voted for him - knowing his history.  I wouldn't be able to get all worked up about that either.

i know people like to mock consistency, but i admire it.  you are very consistent, GEL. 

You have to be around this place!  Otherwise, people accuse you of being a hypocrite.  And even if I AM being one, it still hurts.