Is Christie involved? Emails tie administration to political

[djAdvocate]

Jan 9, 2014 20:48:37 GMT -5 jkapp said:

Jan 9, 2014 12:55:03 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

here is the thing about it, and why it smelled bad from the beginning.

a traffic study could easily be done on weekends or holidays.  instead, they chose THE FIRST DAY OF SCHOOL- a notoriously bad traffic day, for this study.

since you don't know the background, you probably don't know WHY this happened either.  truthfully, neither do i.  but the fact that Ft. Lee's Democratic mayor did NOT endorse Christy for governor seems to have something to do with it.

Our city also had three months of summer to paint the lines on a heavily trafficked road leading to three schools, but instead waited until the first week of school to start the job (creating traffic havoc for two weeks - yes, that is two weeks to paint lines!)  The timing may very well have nothing to do with the NJ issue since municipalities don't seem to give a shit about good timing.

i didn't say that the bad timing was proof.  i said that it raised suspicions.  that is a fact.  but it didn't raise suspicions nearly as much as the "survey" excuse did.  seriously?  a traffic survey on the busiest bridge in the world, on the first day of school, that nobody knew about, was notified about, and which had no designated purpose?  people were immediately suspicious.  who could blame them?

[djAdvocate]

Christie did a good job of trying to make this go away today, but one question remains:

WHY?

i doubt that anyone is going to let this go until that is answered.  nobody who cares, anyway.

edit: i just heard an interview with John Wiezneski (sic), the prosecuting atty on this case, and i very much doubt this is over.  he is on a mission.  he won't stop until he knows the contents of Christie's underwear drawer.  he reminds me of that nut that dogged Clinton for half a decade.

[Opti]

he also gives every indication of being a childish prick. lots of people love him for it. but not a few loathe him for it.

He definitely has bully tendencies and sometimes openly abuses politicians
he disagrees with especially Democrats. I have very mixed feelings on him.
He's been better on some things than expected and as corrupt and heavy-handed
on others as I feared.

[resolution]

www.cnn.com/2014/01/09/us/christie-bridge-scandal-death/

From the reports there were three ambulances delayed, although the delays were small - around 7 minutes for arrival time rather than 3 or 4. I would be surprised if the investigation determines that a 91 year old could have been saved after a  cardiac arrest, just due to her advanced age.

Fort Lee, New Jersey (CNN) -- The lane closure scandal rocking New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie's administration is raising questions whether gridlock delayed paramedics' effort to save a 91-year-old woman who was in cardiac arrest and later died.

"This crosses a line that is rarely crossed: People's lives were in danger," said New Jersey state Sen. Ray Lesniak, a Democrat. "Endangering people's lives -- that's not politics. That's why the U.S. attorneys have to get involved."

Lesniak is asking for federal prosecutors to open an investigation into whether the lane closures were a factor in the woman's death.

Her daughter told CNN affiliate WABC that she didn't believe the traffic trouble was a factor in Florence Genova's death.
"I really don't think so, no, I really don't. I think she was 91 and really believe in my heart that she was already gone when the ambulance got (to her house)," Vilma Oleri told the station.

[djAdvocate]

again: the big question is why this happened.  according to Christie himself, the retribution for lack of endorsement angle makes no sense.

so what DOES make sense?

[workpublic]

so what DOES make sense?

inbred hubris on Bridgett's part.

[djAdvocate]

Jan 10, 2014 12:38:56 GMT -5 workpublic said:

so what DOES make sense?

inbred hubris on Bridgett's part.

perhaps.  but that doesn't really answer WHY?  WHY did she act?  what inspired it?

well, we shall see.  she is going to be subpoena'd. 

[kent]

Jan 10, 2014 6:52:25 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

Jan 9, 2014 19:33:44 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

can you imagine what would have happened, if, say, a 10 year old boy that was having a medical emergency got stuck in that traffic, folks?

just think about it for a minute, before you answer.

I may be giving away your comeback on this but- there are some reports that a 91 year old woman died during this episode and that it may have been attributable at least in part to traffic delays.

I heard the same thing but I also heard the women's daughter stated it was unlikely her mother would have survived even if the EMT's got there in a timely manner (I don't have a link for that and I'm too lazy to look for one right now)

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Jan 8, 2014 16:44:01 GMT -5 Jaguar said:

What I want to know is who the hell controls the freaking weather ?

Didn't you know? It's been splashed all over the news for years now. The climate changes!

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Jan 10, 2014 12:15:17 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

again: the big question is why this happened.  according to Christie himself, the retribution for lack of endorsement angle makes no sense.

so what DOES make sense?

Maybe this is one of those situations where the government is taking liberties with the citizenry with an eye towards the long term good for the most people.

[djAdvocate]

Jan 10, 2014 14:01:50 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Jan 10, 2014 12:15:17 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

again: the big question is why this happened.  according to Christie himself, the retribution for lack of endorsement angle makes no sense.

so what DOES make sense?

Maybe this is one of those situations where the government is taking liberties with the citizenry with an eye towards the long term good for the most people.

this is so sarcastic, you sound high, jma.

[djAdvocate]

this thing is going to blow up on him, imo.  there are 2-3 other scandals going right now, apparently.  all of them are related to the same hubris that was the father of this mess.  whether the hubris started at the top or not remains to be seen, but Christie doesn't strike me as a beta manager. 

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Jan 10, 2014 21:57:04 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jan 10, 2014 14:01:50 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Maybe this is one of those situations where the government is taking liberties with the citizenry with an eye towards the long term good for the most people.

this is so sarcastic, you sound high, jma.

Sarcastic is a yes. The liberal media is starting a little early with the negative stories on whoever the polled front runner is from the conservative side of the aisle for a possible presidential run. It was an extreme amount of coverage for a lackey caused traffic backup. As an aside, my only experience with being high was the initial injection for general anesthesia while being put under for cancer surgery. I don't believe in altered perception, nor have any reason to run away from reality, so no recreational drugs or alcohol are ever voluntarily introduced into my system. I don't understand the "fun" of limiting ones thought process.

[djAdvocate]

Jan 17, 2014 10:58:31 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Jan 10, 2014 21:57:04 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

this is so sarcastic, you sound high, jma.

Sarcastic is a yes. The liberal media is starting a little early with the negative stories on whoever the polled front runner is from the conservative side of the aisle for a possible presidential run. It was an extreme amount of coverage for a lackey caused traffic backup. As an aside, my only experience with being high was the initial injection for general anesthesia while being put under for cancer surgery. I don't believe in altered perception, nor have any reason to run away from reality, so no recreational drugs or alcohol are ever voluntarily introduced into my system. I don't understand the "fun" of limiting ones thought process.

me neither.  but i don't think this is a small story.  i am sorry that we don't agree on it, but i just don't.  i think it is fairly serious.  if it implicates Christie, it is fatal to his political future.  and as the Republican darling of 2016, that is a big deal.

edit: if Christie's office had not been linked to this thing, i agree that this would have been a non-issue.

[resolution]

It still seems sad that this is a bigger story than a good portion of West Virginia being without clean drinking water for days.

[djAdvocate]

Jan 17, 2014 11:19:47 GMT -5 resolution said:

It still seems sad that this is a bigger story than a good portion of West Virginia being without clean drinking water for days.

i wouldn't know, really.  i don't watch cable news.  from my perspective the WV story is bigger.

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Jan 17, 2014 11:16:27 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jan 17, 2014 10:58:31 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Sarcastic is a yes. The liberal media is starting a little early with the negative stories on whoever the polled front runner is from the conservative side of the aisle for a possible presidential run. It was an extreme amount of coverage for a lackey caused traffic backup. As an aside, my only experience with being high was the initial injection for general anesthesia while being put under for cancer surgery. I don't believe in altered perception, nor have any reason to run away from reality, so no recreational drugs or alcohol are ever voluntarily introduced into my system. I don't understand the "fun" of limiting ones thought process.

me neither.  but i don't think this is a small story.  i am sorry that we don't agree on it, but i just don't.  i think it is fairly serious.  if it implicates Christie, it is fatal to his political future.  and as the Republican darling of 2016, that is a big deal.

Agree, if they find something on him, he needs a swift kick in the rear, right out of politics. Then it will be a bigger story for me. You really think he is the republican darling ? Too soon for me to consider him as potus.

[djAdvocate]

Jan 17, 2014 11:32:05 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Jan 17, 2014 11:16:27 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

me neither.  but i don't think this is a small story.  i am sorry that we don't agree on it, but i just don't.  i think it is fairly serious.  if it implicates Christie, it is fatal to his political future.  and as the Republican darling of 2016, that is a big deal.

Agree, if they find something on him, he needs a swift kick in the rear, right out of politics. Then it will be a bigger story for me. You really think he is the republican darling ? Too soon for me to consider him as potus.

jma- i know that most people don't watch this stuff in the same way i do, but i am always looking on the horizon for front runners.  in 2008 it was guiliani, before he utterly imploded.  in 2012, it was romney.  this time, it is most certainly Christie.  in head to head polling with hillary, nobody else is even in the same REALM. 

now, it could quite well be that this is all meaningless.  the front runners are often also-ran's by NH.  but the fact remains that if the election were NOW, Christie would be the best that the GOP could field.

[8 Bit WWBG]

...:::"edit: i just heard an interview with John Wiezneski (sic), the prosecuting atty on this case, and i very much doubt this is over. he is on a mission. he won't stop until he knows the contents of Christie's underwear drawer. he reminds me of that nut that dogged Clinton for half a decade.":::...

I see a lot of merit here.  One doesn't become governor without making a few enemies.  Even if Christie is completely innocent, and ultimately acquitted, this opportunity is too good to pass up for his enemies.

[djAdvocate]

Jan 17, 2014 14:42:21 GMT -5 8 Bit WWBG said:

...:::"edit: i just heard an interview with John Wiezneski (sic), the prosecuting atty on this case, and i very much doubt this is over. he is on a mission. he won't stop until he knows the contents of Christie's underwear drawer. he reminds me of that nut that dogged Clinton for half a decade.":::...

I see a lot of merit here.  One doesn't become governor without making a few enemies.  Even if Christie is completely innocent, and ultimately acquitted, this opportunity is too good to pass up for his enemies.

the fact that Christie is not the sort to shy away from a fight means he has more enemies than most, i would guess.

[djAdvocate]

there have been 23 subpoena's so far.  all in NJ.  all connected in some way with Christie or the Port Authority.

edit:

the "Office of the Governor" as well as Christie's governor campaign were subpoena'd. 

there are really only two possibilities at this point: one is that someone in the Christie campaign was carrying out NJ justice without the knowledge of Christie, and the other is that Christie himself was involved in this.  i think both are pretty damaging to Christie.  if it is the former, it shows bad oversight both in the selection and supervision of these clowns.  if it is the latter...well, Christie is toast.  that would be impeachable.

[djAdvocate]

christie is -10% in the last month in presidential polling:

www.quinnipiac.edu/institutes-and-centers/polling-institute/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=1998

very damaging.

he still leads all other candidates, but not by double figures any more. 

[Sum Dum Gai]

It's way too early to be talking about from runners. 2 years before the 08 election 99% of the country had never even heard of our current president.

Comparing him to Hillary is dubious too. She couldn't even secure her own parties nomination against an unknown last time she ran.

[djAdvocate]

Jan 22, 2014 15:54:45 GMT -5 Sum Dum Gai said:

It's way too early to be talking about from runners.

it's never too early, Dark. 

2 years before the 08 election 99% of the country had never even heard of our current president.

yes.  but everyone knew Mitt Romney 2 years before '12. 

Comparing him to Hillary is dubious too. She couldn't even secure her own parties nomination against an unknown last time she ran.

because of you know who?  yes.  that is true.

[djAdvocate]

the feds are on this one now.....

www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/christie-admin-scandal-draws-fbi-scrutiny

i am telling you, guys- this is not a small matter, and it is not going away.

[djAdvocate]

new quinnipac poll: Christie and Rubio fall to new lows for GOP nomination:

www.quinnipiac.edu/institutes-and-centers/polling-institute/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=1998

these two candidates were running at about 35% between them until November.  their stock has been plummeting since.  they are now @ 20% between the two.  Paul Ryan and Ron Paul have hung in there best.

[djAdvocate]

now he is going to be faced with charges he is lying.  if it turns out to be true, Christie is toast.  trust is huge in politics.

[mmhmm]

Feb 3, 2014 13:04:33 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

now he is going to be faced with charges he is lying.  if it turns out to be true, Christie is toast.  trust is huge in politics.

Actually, what's huge in politics is the ability to engender trust even when you're lying through your teeth.

[Angel!]

Jan 9, 2014 22:23:19 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jan 9, 2014 20:48:37 GMT -5 jkapp said:

Our city also had three months of summer to paint the lines on a heavily trafficked road leading to three schools, but instead waited until the first week of school to start the job (creating traffic havoc for two weeks - yes, that is two weeks to paint lines!)  The timing may very well have nothing to do with the NJ issue since municipalities don't seem to give a shit about good timing.

i didn't say that the bad timing was proof.  i said that it raised suspicions.  that is a fact.  but it didn't raise suspicions nearly as much as the "survey" excuse did.  seriously?  a traffic survey on the busiest bridge in the world, on the first day of school, that nobody knew about, was notified about, and which had no designated purpose?  people were immediately suspicious.  who could blame them?

  I'm a traffic engineer & have never heard of closing lanes during rush hour for a "survey".  Has anyone said what they were supposedly learning from the exercise?  We have traffic models specifically so we don't have to do dumbass things like closing lanes to see how much traffic backs up.

As an aside...in my state we have several books detailing exactly when they are allowed to close lanes on all the highways in the state.  Except for an emergency situation, you can't close a lane outside of approved hours without approval from pretty high up & you better have a good reason.  I am absolutely astounded that these people were bold enough to close lanes without reason or warning, causing a traffic jam of this proportion.  They had to be complete idiots to think this wouldn't be looked in to & that the excuse of "survey" would be enough.  And if Christie was at all invovled, then he is a moron.  Too bad, because I kind of liked him.

[djAdvocate]

boom!