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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Jan 2, 2014 13:25:33 GMT -5
Preface: we are about to add a male Miniature Labradoodle puppy to our family.
The breeder comes highly recommended and has a very active Facebook page which makes it clear that she is responsible and legitimate.
Saturday morning we were supposed to make the hour+ drive to "meet and greet" our puppy before taking him home for good on January 18th.
However, we are getting hit with a Nor'Easter with 15+ inches of snow over the next 36 hours forecasted as I type this post and the breeder has cancelled the Meet and Greet due to the weather. I don't blame her. But, she has cancelled it outright -- she is not rescheduling.
So, on January 18th we are supposed to go and pick up and pay the significant balance for a puppy we have never met. We have seen several pictures and a short video of him on the Facebook page, but will not get a chance to see him "in action" until we take him home. How am I supposed to know if he is shy/timid/aggressive/snuggly/the runt/etc. if I don't see him first?
Am I being difficult/anal in still wanting to meet this puppy beforehand or, if you were in my shoes, would you also insist? I don't want to alienate the breeder. And, I know that there are breeders who ship puppies across the country to eager families who buy the puppy sight unseen, but we specifically chose a relatively local breeder so that we could avoid that situation. She is not pulling a scam or trying to rip people off -- she lives in an area that will be hit really hard with snow and some coastal flooding. I don't want to impose on her while she rides out the storm and deals with any aftermath, but I also really want to meet my puppy.
Oh, and we were waiting to settle or, at least, narrow down the name once we met the puppy.
And, yes, we already paid a significant deposit.
Any advice/comments/suggestions?
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Post by shanendoah on Jan 2, 2014 13:33:12 GMT -5
I would write back to the breeder saying you agree with cancelling the meet and greet this weekend due to weather but ask if there's a way to reschedule a meet with the puppy before you bring him home.
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Post by steph08 on Jan 2, 2014 13:35:04 GMT -5
For what it's worth, I never met any of my dogs before I brought them home. Our two boxers, I bought them from highly recommended breeders in Ohio (4+ hours drive away) and we already had a boxer so pretty much knew their temperaments (though every dog is different). We didn't have any problems. One boxer we already had a name picked out for, the other we waited until we brought him home. Took a few days, but he's 5 and knows his name. Our beagles - that was DH's doing, and he didn't meet them beforehand either. One is perfect (ok, she's the favorite, we baby her); the other is a little timid/weird (we think she was the runt and maybe picked on - but not by the way she bosses around the other dogs!). She is a little clingy, but I think some of that could be removed with getting her spayed. False pregnancies/heat are such a bitch. She carries around toys and pretends like they are her babies and curls herself around them, trying to nurse them. I can't wait until I take her for her annual check-up in January and schedule her spay! I really don't think you'll have a problem. We never have, but we also don't have kids. With kids, I would meet beforehand (but if yours are older/teenagers, I don't think that will be an issue either).
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Jan 2, 2014 13:40:50 GMT -5
I would write back to the breeder saying you agree with cancelling the meet and greet this weekend due to weather but ask if there's a way to reschedule a meet with the puppy before you bring him home. I will do that. Just didn't know if I was being too needy, LOL. It seems like a Meet and Greet is a fairly reasonable expectation (and 7 other families were scheduled to meet their puppies on Saturday) and should be a common practice, but maybe not(?).
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Post by financialpeace on Jan 2, 2014 13:40:57 GMT -5
I would insist on rescheduling, but since you are already quite invested in this puppy I would not cancel the whole deal if you are unable to reschedule. Maybe she can send you another video of your puppy if rescheduling isn't possible?
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Post by mmhmm on Jan 2, 2014 13:45:08 GMT -5
Another possiblity might be arranging to spend some time with the puppy on the day you're going to pick him/her up, but before actually sealing the deal. That would avoid two trips while still allowing you to get an idea of what the puppy is like in real time.
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Jan 2, 2014 13:47:06 GMT -5
LOL, Steph, I caught the last line before you edited. I totally understand where you are coming from with that opinion. But, that said, the mini labradoodles we know in RL have all been dogs we can really see ourselves including in our own family. Small, but not so small that we will accidentally step on it. Social. Low shed. Not yippy/yappy. Yes, there are some "real" breeds that meet those criteria but not that we know in RL. So, we're going with a hybrid. No AKC papers, but we are okay with that. We're looking to add another member of the family, not necessarily show a dog (not that there is anything wrong with that or that show dogs can't/aren't members of families -- just that we have no interest in showing dogs ourselves).
And, the kids are teenagers. So, you're right, no safety issues involved.
But, good to know that you have added dogs to your family sight unseen and that it has worked out well. Thanks.
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Post by steph08 on Jan 2, 2014 13:52:33 GMT -5
I've been on a boxer forum for 8+ years, and a lot of members have added puppies sight-unseen. A lot from breeders that were also members of the forum, so they had "known" each other a while, etc. Puppies from Indiana going to Pennsylvania; Oregon to Arizona; Texas to Missouri; Texas to North Carolina, and that's just all I can think of off the top of my head. We don't show our dogs - we just get the "reject" puppies that either can't be shown (white is not an approved boxer color) or aren't judged as well (plain vs flashy). I just go for breeds that I know and that have standards written about - like our breeders were members of the American Boxer Club and had to adhere to specific health tests before breeding, etc. If your breeder does testing, that is great. (I just have a bad experience with 'designer' dogs as my boss bought some mix from a 'breeder' who had like 12 different types on their website - I'm pretty sure it was basically a puppy mill. I don't understand why some smart people can be so dumb). I believe that a picture is worth a thousand words. This is one of the first pictures I got from my breeder of one of my boxers, who passed away earlier this year. I knew he would be trouble, and boy was he!
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Post by milee on Jan 2, 2014 13:54:15 GMT -5
the mini labradoodles we know in RL have all been dogs we can really see ourselves including in our own family. Small, but not so small that we will accidentally step on it. Social. Low shed. Not yippy/yappy. Never seen a mini, but I know two people with either Labradoodles or Goldendoodles and they are both very sweet dogs. Smart and willing to learn, too. I hope your puppy is like that and that you enjoy him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2014 15:10:05 GMT -5
well I would never purchase a dog from a breeder, no matter how reputable they claim to be. but I would never get a puppy sight unseen and also without seeing the parents and the entire business. How do you know it's not a puppy mill? does your contract state they will take the dog back at any time for any reason?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2014 15:19:24 GMT -5
I was just thinking back to getting my dog that just passed away. She was an accidental mutt (black lab and rottweiler cross) and there were 13 pups in the litter. Every last one of them looked the same. I don't know how I ended up with her, but I lucked out.
A good friend of mine just got a miniature Australian Shepherd sight unseen. The pups from this breeder are normally all spoken for before they're even born, so that's really the only way to do it. He's a pistol, but that's kind of par for the course for the breed. I've never seen anything with so much energy.
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Jan 2, 2014 15:27:57 GMT -5
Steph, the look in that pup's eye speaks volumes, LOL. Still, what a cutie!!!!!!
Steph and Single: the breeder has been breeding labradoodles -- and only labradoodles -- for 20 years. She has many satisfied families, including several in our town. We know some of her pups personally. She does do medical testing and readily provides the results on all of her breeding dogs. I'm no expert, but from what I have seen in my search for a dog over the past year and a half, she is as open and honest as any other breeder I have seen. She post videos on her Facebook page almost daily that show how much she loves her dogs and how well she cares for them. She is clearly one of those people who simply and honestly love what they do. There is no veil or wall on her breeding practices -- the dogs live with her and she has a large and devoted following on Facebook.
I won't beat the dead horse (because I have addressed this a few times already), but just to reiterate: we tried to rescue a dog. We didn't want to support puppy mills or careless "breeding". We are fierce animal lovers and wanted to give an abandoned dog a forever home. We came so very close a couple of times thanks to the tireless work of one particular shelter. However, the shelter folks themselves suggested that we reconsider our plans to rescue -- our dog experience is somewhat dated and many, albeit not all, rescue dogs have issues (timidity, aggressiveness, resource guarding, etc.) the shelter folks didn't think we were prepared to address. In the end, we decided that it would be entirely reckless and unfair for us to rescue a dog that we might very well need to return because its needs exceeded our current skill set. So, based upon a thorough and thoughtful search for a dog to rescue, we are instead going with a miniature labradoodle with the idea that, in time, we may reconsider adding a rescue dog to our family as well.
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Jan 2, 2014 15:30:17 GMT -5
Thanks for the support, Milee. We are really looking forward to having the little guy join our active family. YDS is one of those kids who just *needs* a dog -- he is the one who is counting down the days. He doesn't get excited about much lately because that isn't so cool at 15, LOL, but this dog has absolutely captured his heart.
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Post by alabamagal on Jan 2, 2014 15:41:32 GMT -5
I'm just trying to understand meeting a puppy and turning it away? The meet and greet sounds like a cute idea, but I can't see if being required.
We are on our 7th dog. Only one was from a breeder, but not registered breeder. We went to the kennel and picked the one we wanted. Our other dogs have been rescue dogs, some of them have been chosen from a litter, but honestly any of them were fine. I just can't see turning away a puppy after an hour or so "meet".
Earlier this year we chose a dog from a rescue group about an hour away, there were 2 female puppies (sisters). When we went there, my DS played with them for a few minutes and chose one because she was "calmer". She died a few days later from parvo. The other one was healthy and was available, but we decided to get one from the local humane society.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2014 15:44:39 GMT -5
Steph, the look in that pup's eye speaks volumes, LOL. Still, what a cutie!!!!!! Steph and Single: the breeder has been breeding labradoodles -- and only labradoodles -- for 20 years. She has many satisfied families, including several in our town. We know some of her pups personally. She does do medical testing and readily provides the results on all of her breeding dogs. I'm no expert, but from what I have seen in my search for a dog over the past year and a half, she is as open and honest as any other breeder I have seen. She post videos on her Facebook page almost daily that show how much she loves her dogs and how well she cares for them. She is clearly one of those people who simply and honestly love what they do. There is no veil or wall on her breeding practices -- the dogs live with her and she has a large and devoted following on Facebook. I won't beat the dead horse (because I have addressed this a few times already), but just to reiterate: we tried to rescue a dog. We didn't want to support puppy mills or careless "breeding". We are fierce animal lovers and wanted to give an abandoned dog a forever home. We came so very close a couple of times thanks to the tireless work of one particular shelter. However, the shelter folks themselves suggested that we reconsider our plans to rescue -- our dog experience is somewhat dated and many, albeit not all, rescue dogs have issues (timidity, aggressiveness, resource guarding, etc.) the shelter folks didn't think we were prepared to address. In the end, we decided that it would be entirely reckless and unfair for us to rescue a dog that we might very well need to return because its needs exceeded our current skill set. So, based upon a thorough and thoughtful search for a dog to rescue, we are instead going with a miniature labradoodle with the idea that, in time, we may reconsider adding a rescue dog to our family as well. I guess I don't understand why you were working with a shelter and not a rescue who could have tried to match a dog with you, not to mention a rescue would have done all the vetting and temperment testing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2014 15:48:59 GMT -5
I'm just trying to understand meeting a puppy and turning it away? The meet and greet sounds like a cute idea, but I can't see if being required. We are on our 7th dog. Only one was from a breeder, but not registered breeder. We went to the kennel and picked the one we wanted. Our other dogs have been rescue dogs, some of them have been chosen from a litter, but honestly any of them were fine. I just can't see turning away a puppy after an hour or so "meet". Earlier this year we chose a dog from a rescue group about an hour away, there were 2 female puppies (sisters). When we went there, my DS played with them for a few minutes and chose one because she was "calmer". She died a few days later from parvo. The other one was healthy and was available, but we decided to get one from the local humane society. true....puppies are so adorable I can't imagine not wanting one when you planned to get one...although I don't understand anybody that wants a puppy - too much like another baby.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2014 15:56:01 GMT -5
I love puppies. It sucks they become dogs.
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Post by milee on Jan 2, 2014 15:57:17 GMT -5
Not sure why OP isn't working with a rescue group, but around here the rescue groups are a very mixed bag. Many of the rescue groups are just. plain. nuts. Their sole mission is to save the lives of every single dog. Sounds noble, until you realize that this means no consideration for any other factor, such as if the dog has a reasonable quality of life, if the dog honestly has a temperament that will fit with most people/families, if it's economically reasonable to support the dog with its particular issues, if the "requirements" to adopt are reasonable, etc.
Example of the type of placement offered: 13 year old Pug, blind in one eye and fear biter seeks forever home! Potential suitors must fill out 15 page application, submit to three in-home visits, have fenced yard and prove financial ability to provide the extensive vet care needed. Must not have children, visitors, other pets or scary furniture. Must not work or do errands that take you out of the home for more than 15 minutes at a time. Princess is not fully housebroken yet, but will be the perfect companion for the right home. Apply today!
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Post by steph08 on Jan 2, 2014 15:59:26 GMT -5
I would think about not getting a puppy I agreed to if it was too rambunctious or too aggressive for my family. If it's bullying the other pups, etc. Or if it is too timid, scared of everything, and you wanted a puppy that you could take around people, make a therapy dog, working dog, etc.
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Post by mollyanna58 on Jan 2, 2014 16:02:16 GMT -5
I volunteer with a rescue organization. I don't know how exact the temperament testing is. I can tell you about my foster dog because I've had her for a while now, but I can't tell you much about the temperaments of the kennel dogs or other foster dogs when I work at an adoption event. GRG explored getting a rescue dog, and decided going to a breeder would be best for her family.
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Jan 2, 2014 16:02:47 GMT -5
Steph, the look in that pup's eye speaks volumes, LOL. Still, what a cutie!!!!!! Steph and Single: the breeder has been breeding labradoodles -- and only labradoodles -- for 20 years. She has many satisfied families, including several in our town. We know some of her pups personally. She does do medical testing and readily provides the results on all of her breeding dogs. I'm no expert, but from what I have seen in my search for a dog over the past year and a half, she is as open and honest as any other breeder I have seen. She post videos on her Facebook page almost daily that show how much she loves her dogs and how well she cares for them. She is clearly one of those people who simply and honestly love what they do. There is no veil or wall on her breeding practices -- the dogs live with her and she has a large and devoted following on Facebook. I won't beat the dead horse (because I have addressed this a few times already), but just to reiterate: we tried to rescue a dog. We didn't want to support puppy mills or careless "breeding". We are fierce animal lovers and wanted to give an abandoned dog a forever home. We came so very close a couple of times thanks to the tireless work of one particular shelter. However, the shelter folks themselves suggested that we reconsider our plans to rescue -- our dog experience is somewhat dated and many, albeit not all, rescue dogs have issues (timidity, aggressiveness, resource guarding, etc.) the shelter folks didn't think we were prepared to address. In the end, we decided that it would be entirely reckless and unfair for us to rescue a dog that we might very well need to return because its needs exceeded our current skill set. So, based upon a thorough and thoughtful search for a dog to rescue, we are instead going with a miniature labradoodle with the idea that, in time, we may reconsider adding a rescue dog to our family as well. I guess I don't understand why you were working with a shelter and not a rescue who could have tried to match a dog with you, not to mention a rescue would have done all the vetting and temperment testing. The shelter IS a rescue. They vet and test temperament and spay and neuter as needed and all of that. One adopts from the shelter. The dogs come from the local area, but also from across the U.S. and even Puerto Rico.
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Post by mollyanna58 on Jan 2, 2014 16:03:13 GMT -5
I love puppies. It sucks they become dogs. I never wanted a puppy. I like dogs who are already housetrained.
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Post by mollyanna58 on Jan 2, 2014 16:10:36 GMT -5
Yes, I've seen similar ones. There is one woman whom I've chatted with several times at adoption events. She adopted a kitten with a broken neck. The cat is now about 2 years old. The woman spends $400./month on wee-wee pads for her incontinent, paralyzed cat. The woman is perfectly happy. I feel sorry for the cat, but maybe he's happy, too.
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Jan 2, 2014 16:11:14 GMT -5
In the end, we want a successful result for the dog -- and for our family. We want a dog that will successfully merge into our active (physically, socially, etc.) family.
Dogs are as different as snowflakes and humans. We've met several wonderful labradoodles that have successfully merged into families similar to ours in lifestyle. I don't think it is wrong or selfish to want the same result. If the match between the dog and our family is poor, neither the dog nor we will be happy.
Other families have different lifestyles and would be successful placements for timid/aggressive/lazy/show dogs. But, not us.
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Jan 2, 2014 16:21:06 GMT -5
Not sure why OP isn't working with a rescue group, but around here the rescue groups are a very mixed bag. Many of the rescue groups are just. plain. nuts. Their sole mission is to save the lives of every single dog. Sounds noble, until you realize that this means no consideration for any other factor, such as if the dog has a reasonable quality of life, if the dog honestly has a temperament that will fit with most people/families, if it's economically reasonable to support the dog with its particular issues, if the "requirements" to adopt are reasonable, etc.
Example of the type of placement offered: 13 year old Pug, blind in one eye and fear biter seeks forever home! Potential suitors must fill out 15 page application, submit to three in-home visits, have fenced yard and prove financial ability to provide the extensive vet care needed. Must not have children, visitors, other pets or scary furniture. Must not work or do errands that take you out of the home for more than 15 minutes at a time. Princess is not fully housebroken yet, but will be the perfect companion for the right home. Apply today! Except, in *my* experience with *some* rescue groups, the "Pug" (or "Labrador mix" as the most often used breed) turns out to be a pit bull/Rotweiler/whatever with suspicious wounds, some concerning behavioral issues, and an otherwise unknown provenance. My skill set is so underdeveloped for such dogs. I would do a huge disservice to such a dog, who, in the hands of an experienced, capable dog owner, could heal and develop into a wonderful family dog. Why risk subjecting such a dog to further rejection when I return it to the rescue shelter? So, now, an open an unabashed attempt to turn this thread back on course: if I am reading the replies to my OP correctly, some suggest I try on my own to reschedule the Meet and Greet so that we can make our final decision based upon first-hand knowledge and experience and some say that, in their experience, most dogs coming sight unseen from reputable breeders end up fitting in just fine to their new families. Did I summarize correctly?
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Post by milee on Jan 2, 2014 16:30:34 GMT -5
So, now, an open an unabashed attempt to turn this thread back on course: if I am reading the replies to my OP correctly, some suggest I try on my own to reschedule the Meet and Greet so that we can make our final decision based upon first-hand knowledge and experience and some say that, in their experience, most dogs coming sight unseen from reputable breeders end up fitting in just fine to their new families. Did I summarize correctly? Yes. If I can add one more suggestion, though - do the meet and greet without your son. I know it's his dog, but that really complicates it. You've mentioned how incredibly excited your son is and let's be real - it's beyond the ability of most 15 year olds to be even remotely objective about a cute puppy. Heck, it's beyond the ability of most adults to be remotely objective about a cute puppy.
So if the purpose of the meet and greet is truly to assess if the dog is a good fit for your family, go as adults and make that decision.
If you're not willing or able to just go as adults, my advice is not to bother with the meet and greet as you're going to end up taking whatever is offered anyway, so why put yourself through the hassle?
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Jan 2, 2014 16:35:17 GMT -5
Milee, good point. YDS IS already vested in *this* puppy. He's not exactly jumping up and down about it, but is actively counting down the days, weighing names, and researching dog supplies. I'll talk to DH about it later. We should go by ourselves.
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Post by alabamagal on Jan 2, 2014 16:58:37 GMT -5
Well to me if you are getting a puppy I wouldn't worry much about temperment. I am a firm believer that the dogs temperment is highly dependent on how it is raised, and if you have a puppy you are controlling its temperment.
Our current puppy (8 months now) was adopted very young from a shelter. She is part bulldog, part something smaller. She is the most loving dog, and also the most spoiled. She enjoys being around people, other dogs and cats, because that is how she was raised.
My cousin adopted a dog ~1 year old several years ago. The dog was obviously abused by a man, because he barks at every adult male that he first comes in contact with. Not a real problem, he has never been overly aggressive, just takes her time to get used to males. He is perfectly fine with women though.
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Jan 2, 2014 17:05:51 GMT -5
GG: how is your pup doing with chewing? Or, should I ask, how many shoes have you donated toward the cause?
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Jan 2, 2014 17:17:45 GMT -5
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