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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2013 10:54:31 GMT -5
I turned both of mine at a year. Things are different these days, but if it is only a recommendation and not a law then I think it is up to the parent to determine what is best for their child. I disagree. if it was up to parents, absent a law, some of them would put them forward facing immediately. the science shows that at 12 months (adjusted for preemies) is when there is a significant drop in the potential for serious harm....the bones in the neck still have a lot of fusing to do after that and studies have shown that remaining rear facing until 2 significantly reduces the potential for harm.
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Post by Sam_2.0 on Dec 31, 2013 10:54:57 GMT -5
And look at your state's actual laws. Here in MO it just states that the child has to be in an "appropriate" restraint if they are under 8 and 40lbs, and RF under a year unless you have a Dr's note (our friends with a special needs daughter had to get this because she had a very special kind of seat).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2013 10:55:53 GMT -5
All car seats have to pass the same safety tests, so really it's more about preference. There are seats that are more user-friendly though. But yes, it is definitely recommended to get an infant carrier, then a rf/ff seat for once they are big enough to sit up (we are using Cosco Sceneras from Walmart - $40), and then they will need a high-back booster and then a regular booster maybe. We have used our Sceneras since Aly was about a year old, but she was always a little bitty thing. She was maybe 16lbs then when we moved her over. They can rear-face up to 36" I believe so she just turned around a couple weeks ago at 2.5. Keep them RF as long as the kid is under the height/weight limit for RF. Better to smash their legs than to snap their necks! height limit is just there because manufacturers have to put something down...some kids are all legs and some are all torso so a heigh limit is misleading....they can stay rearfacing as long as there is an inch of hard shell above their head.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2013 10:56:15 GMT -5
I turned both of mine at a year. Things are different these days, but if it is only a recommendation and not a law then I think it is up to the parent to determine what is best for their child. I disagree. if it was up to parents, absent a law, some of them would put them forward facing immediately. the science shows that at 12 months (adjusted for preemies) is when there is a significant drop in the potential for serious harm....the bones in the neck still have a lot of fusing to do after that and studies have shown that remaining rear facing until 2 significantly reduces the potential for harm. So be it. To each their own.
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Post by Sam_2.0 on Dec 31, 2013 10:57:39 GMT -5
www.walmart.com/ip/Cosco-Scenera-Convertible-Car-Seat-Broadway-Dots/19514409These are the exact seats we have, Naggy. They go from 5lbs - 35lbs rear-facing and up to 40lbs front-facing. If you are just having your grandchild sometimes I would go with this. Shoot, we went with these because they were rated up there with the Britax and were 1/5th of the price. Since we needed to buy 5 of them we went this route.
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Post by Sam_2.0 on Dec 31, 2013 10:58:28 GMT -5
All car seats have to pass the same safety tests, so really it's more about preference. There are seats that are more user-friendly though. But yes, it is definitely recommended to get an infant carrier, then a rf/ff seat for once they are big enough to sit up (we are using Cosco Sceneras from Walmart - $40), and then they will need a high-back booster and then a regular booster maybe. We have used our Sceneras since Aly was about a year old, but she was always a little bitty thing. She was maybe 16lbs then when we moved her over. They can rear-face up to 36" I believe so she just turned around a couple weeks ago at 2.5. Keep them RF as long as the kid is under the height/weight limit for RF. Better to smash their legs than to snap their necks! height limit is just there because manufacturers have to put something down...some kids are all legs and some are all torso so a heigh limit is misleading....they can stay rearfacing as long as there is an inch of hard shell above their head. Yep, that's what we were measuring by. She didn't mind her legs bunched up at all and actually liked that her toys could sit in her lap better than they do now.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2013 11:06:53 GMT -5
www.walmart.com/ip/Cosco-Scenera-Convertible-Car-Seat-Broadway-Dots/19514409These are the exact seats we have, Naggy. They go from 5lbs - 35lbs rear-facing and up to 40lbs front-facing. If you are just having your grandchild sometimes I would go with this. Shoot, we went with these because they were rated up there with the Britax and were 1/5th of the price. Since we needed to buy 5 of them we went this route. except the Britax forward face to a higher limit with the harness, don't they? also, I think the Scenera have fairly low straps so a lot of kids will outgrow it forward facing (straps have to be above the shoulders) well before they're ready for a booster (current best practice is 6 years old I believe).
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Post by michelyn8 on Dec 31, 2013 11:09:09 GMT -5
DGD was in her rear facing bucket seat until she was a year old - it was good until she was 20 lbs and she hit that around the same time. Then we purchased one that will hold her until she is close to 80 lbs (I think??). It can be adjusted as she reaches certain stages - mostly head rest and padding. Also, for short trips, the bucket can be secured with seatbelts without the base. The one we have has an indicator to let you know if you have it set in the seat correctly - kind of like a bubble level. If you're really unsure, I'd definately have your local PD/FD do an inspection and installation for you. Things have changed a lot since my babies were young and I've had to learn all of this as a grandma.
With both seats, we were able to use them in cars without latches. My car has them, my mother's doesn't. As long as they are properly and securely installed, the lack of latches doesn't matter. The bucket seat/base was installed using only the latches but the current car seat uses both the belt and a latch. I could probably use just latches but because the seat is removed almost daily for use in different vehicles, its easier just to use the seat belt and latch that secures the top.
I too miss the days of riding down the road in the back of a truck but drivers are to distracted these days for kids to be able to do that now.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2013 11:14:41 GMT -5
DGD was in her rear facing bucket seat until she was a year old - it was good until she was 20 lbs and she hit that around the same time. Then we purchased one that will hold her until she is close to 80 lbs (I think??). It can be adjusted as she reaches certain stages - mostly head rest and padding. Also, for short trips, the bucket can be secured with seatbelts without the base. The one we have has an indicator to let you know if you have it set in the seat correctly - kind of like a bubble level. If you're really unsure, I'd definately have your local PD/FD do an inspection and installation for you. Things have changed a lot since my babies were young and I've had to learn all of this as a grandma. With both seats, we were able to use them in cars without latches. My car has them, my mother's doesn't. As long as they are properly and securely installed, the lack of latches doesn't matter. The bucket seat/base was installed using only the latches but the current car seat uses both the belt and a latch. I could probably use just latches but because the seat is removed almost daily for use in different vehicles, its easier just to use the seat belt and latch that secures the top. I too miss the days of riding down the road in the back of a truck but drivers are to distracted these days for kids to be able to do that now. if you're talking about the strap on the top of a forward facing seat, that's a tether.....LATCH is a system that started showing up in cars in the last 10? years maybe that is an alternative to securing the carseat with the seatbelt. the seatbelt and the LATCH should never be used together and the tether should never be used on a rearfacing seat unless the seat manufacturer specifically says it can be used. all carseats are tested using the seatbelt so even if a car doesn't have LATCH, the seat has still passed testing.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2013 11:18:15 GMT -5
www.walmart.com/ip/Cosco-Scenera-Convertible-Car-Seat-Broadway-Dots/19514409These are the exact seats we have, Naggy. They go from 5lbs - 35lbs rear-facing and up to 40lbs front-facing. If you are just having your grandchild sometimes I would go with this. Shoot, we went with these because they were rated up there with the Britax and were 1/5th of the price. Since we needed to buy 5 of them we went this route. except the Britax forward face to a higher limit with the harness, don't they? also, I think the Scenera have fairly low straps so a lot of kids will outgrow it forward facing (straps have to be above the shoulders) well before they're ready for a booster (current best practice is 6 years old I believe). I hope so because that's what I have and DS is 42 pounds at age 3. I thought it was 50 or 60 pounds...better check.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2013 11:20:11 GMT -5
except the Britax forward face to a higher limit with the harness, don't they? also, I think the Scenera have fairly low straps so a lot of kids will outgrow it forward facing (straps have to be above the shoulders) well before they're ready for a booster (current best practice is 6 years old I believe). I hope so because that's what I have and DS is 42 pounds at age 3. I thought it was 50 or 60 pounds...better check. I think you're probably good....that's one of the features of the Britax - higher weight limits both rear and forward facing (they had higher rearfacing limits before any of the other manufacturers) and I think higher slots.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2013 11:22:51 GMT -5
I hope so because that's what I have and DS is 42 pounds at age 3. I thought it was 50 or 60 pounds...better check. I think you're probably good....that's one of the features of the Britax - higher weight limits both rear and forward facing (they had higher rearfacing limits before any of the other manufacturers) and I think higher slots. Found it. This is for the Britax Marathon. Use only with children who weigh between 5 and 65 pounds (2.3 and 29.5 kg.) and whose height is 49 inches (124.5 cm.) or less. Use rear-facing for children 5 – 35 pounds (2.3 –15.9 kg.) and forward-facing 20 – 65 pounds (9.1 – 29.5 kg.
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Post by muttleynfelix on Dec 31, 2013 11:22:55 GMT -5
www.walmart.com/ip/Cosco-Scenera-Convertible-Car-Seat-Broadway-Dots/19514409These are the exact seats we have, Naggy. They go from 5lbs - 35lbs rear-facing and up to 40lbs front-facing. If you are just having your grandchild sometimes I would go with this. Shoot, we went with these because they were rated up there with the Britax and were 1/5th of the price. Since we needed to buy 5 of them we went this route. except the Britax forward face to a higher limit with the harness, don't they? also, I think the Scenera have fairly low straps so a lot of kids will outgrow it forward facing (straps have to be above the shoulders) well before they're ready for a booster (current best practice is 6 years old I believe). Actually DS outgrew the straps on the $200 Britax before the staps on the $60 Safety First. Since that happened, we bought a cheaper combo seat first and we dislike it and spent the extra money for the Frontier. Straps not tighten evenly is a PITA.
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Post by muttleynfelix on Dec 31, 2013 11:29:16 GMT -5
As long as the seat belts in your car lock out, then installing it with a seatbelt is no problem. My MILs car is old enough that the back seat belts didn't lock out, so DH had to develop a system so that the car seat was secure in the car. I have no idea how he did it. If the baby is currently in a bucket seat, just buy an extra base for your car. Our secondary car seat for rear facing is a Safety First Avenue that I spent $60 on. I like as much of not more than our Britax Boulevard. But not all cheaper car seats are created equal. We bought DS 2 new car seats this year and the cheaper one is a PITA. It is difficult to tighten evenly and the buckle is difficult to latch. They have those clip things that go on the seatbelt that attaches the shoulder belt to the lap belt so it can't slide and it's essentially locked. They're a PIA to get on so that everything is tight, but once it's in you just vow to never take that car seat out until you're done with it. LOL We only did it when I was expecting DD. Once I got my new car, we leave both both secondary seats in my car and leave the the keys to the car with MIL. Not that we want her driving the kids around unles she has to.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2013 11:50:07 GMT -5
Wonder how my kids survived. I'm trying to remember if we even had car seats, if we did it wasn't for long. I would think those things would be a pain in the a**. Trying to wipe their noses, or them crying and going on trapped back in the back seat when I'm driving. I didn't know of anyones kid getting killed or hurt in a car wreck. Are you kidding? The trapped in the back seat is the best part! I can't imagine the little heathens free! Unfortunately, I do know of kids killed in car wrecks. I was in one too when I was maybe 4 and sitting on Grandma's lap. My head went into the dash and split it wide open. Ugh. I shudder to think about it because back then they made cars with sharp dashes too.
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Post by Sam_2.0 on Dec 31, 2013 11:56:23 GMT -5
The kids are used to it. On long trips we take turns sitting back there with her so one can easily help her out while the other focuses on the road. Otherwise she can wait 10 minutes until we get to our destination or I pull over. Really not a big deal. But coming from a family of firefighters & friends with cops, you betcha that she's going to be properly restrained in the car at all times. My grandpa still has nightmares from having to recover children thrown from vehicles. Or pieces of children. Hell no.
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Post by Sam_2.0 on Dec 31, 2013 11:59:01 GMT -5
Uhh, I made my kids set down in the car. If they had started in roaming, they would have gotten their butts smacked and yes I would have stopped to do it. I was a mean momma and the kids, both of them were disciplined a lot. Maybe that's why son moved half way around the world.
I actually saw a mom or grandma yesterday with a crying kid tap him on the butt and he stopped being a pain. My husband said if we still had more of that kids wouldn't be like they are. It didn't hurt him, but hubby said I'm surprised someone didn't come out of the woodwork screaming child abuse. We are very old school. DD was around her naughty cousins over the holiday and started picking up their bad habits. Three spankings in a short amount of time set her back to remembering that she had to obey mom & dad. I am a mean mom too. But I am not about to have a kid that tries to run out in a parking lot or takes the punch bowl out of grandma's china cabinet and shatters it (one of the quadlets).
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Post by muttleynfelix on Dec 31, 2013 12:00:01 GMT -5
Wonder how my kids survived. I'm trying to remember if we even had car seats, if we did it wasn't for long. I would think those things would be a pain in the a**. Trying to wipe their noses, or them crying and going on trapped back in the back seat when I'm driving. I didn't know of anyones kid getting killed or hurt in a car wreck. Well I'm riding in the car with 2 little kids in car seats and they are both quite content. The baby is sleeping (she also sick). DS is just chillin, sad to have left his Grandparents house, but content nonetheless. I don't know how parents delt with kids not restrained. I got very good at inserting a pacifier at stop lights. I've never had an issue wiping noses or crying even when it is just me in the car with them. Granted, my kids are great travelers, but to them the car seat is part of life. I've forgotten to strap DS in and he reminds me to do it. As for kids not dying when yours were young, remember there are more cars on the road and speed limits are higher now.
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Post by taz157 on Dec 31, 2013 12:00:20 GMT -5
My car doesn't move until DD is strapped in her car seat. Lately, she's been wanting her baby doll to be strapped in and not her. Let's just say that I have put her in her car seat crying as the car doesn't move unless she is strapped in and I'm using my seat belt (same with DH's seat belt if he's with her).
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Post by taz157 on Dec 31, 2013 12:01:26 GMT -5
Uhh, I made my kids set down in the car. If they had started in roaming, they would have gotten their butts smacked and yes I would have stopped to do it. I was a mean momma and the kids, both of them were disciplined a lot. Maybe that's why son moved half way around the world.
I actually saw a mom or grandma yesterday with a crying kid tap him on the butt and he stopped being a pain. My husband said if we still had more of that kids wouldn't be like they are. It didn't hurt him, but hubby said I'm surprised someone didn't come out of the woodwork screaming child abuse. We are very old school. DD was around her naughty cousins over the holiday and started picking up their bad habits. Three spankings in a short amount of time set her back to remembering that she had to obey mom & dad. I am a mean mom too. But I am not about to have a kid that tries to run out in a parking lot or takes the punch bowl out of grandma's china cabinet and shatters it (one of the quadlets). I was curious if you were talking about the quads. WOW on the punch bowl!!
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Post by muttleynfelix on Dec 31, 2013 12:12:46 GMT -5
Wow Sam. That is nuts. I'm so glad myfamfamily works together to enforce proper behavior. My grandma is the only one who lets my kids get away with inappropriate behavior. Even their cousins help keep my kids in line.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Dec 31, 2013 12:28:02 GMT -5
DS1 would stay away from stuff if we told him. DS2 is now 15 months, and does not. Since our attention is more divided, he gets away with more before we notice, so we have to baby-proof more for him. I think that is the key, he has routinely gotten ahold of whatever he was going after much more than DS1 ever could, so he thinks that it is his right. When we took them to the in-laws for Christmas, it was no fun keeping DS2 away from the ornaments on the Christmas tree!
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Post by Sam_2.0 on Dec 31, 2013 12:33:21 GMT -5
DS1 would stay away from stuff if we told him. DS2 is now 15 months, and does not. Since our attention is more divided, he gets away with more before we notice, so we have to baby-proof more for him. I think that is the key, he has routinely gotten ahold of whatever he was going after much more than DS1 ever could, so he thinks that it is his right. When we took them to the in-laws for Christmas, it was no fun keeping DS2 away from the ornaments on the Christmas tree! At least you paid attention to him! These parents sat in the other room and mainly ignored their children running wild. When other adults would correct the children's (dangerous and destructive!) behaviors, we got rude comments that we should leave the parenting to the parents and not correct children that are not ours. Which is fine, unless you don't see your toddler climbing up to the stove even after I've told her no and put her in time-out several times! Your kid was screaming because I was keeping her safe, not because I was being too picky about her bratty behavior. Sorry for the hijack. I was so pissed that night. Came home and had a nice drink after DD was put to bed.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Dec 31, 2013 12:40:06 GMT -5
I didn't know of anyones kid getting killed or hurt in a car wreck
That was my MIL's rationale when we caught her driving Gwen around w/o a carseat. My comeback was let's not make the first one your grandkid.
I don't give a shit how things worked in 1975. This is 2013 and the law says my kid needs to be in a car seat. Not only that *I* say my kid needs to be in a carseat and as the parent my rules will be respected.
DH told her if we ever find out she drove her around again w/o a seat she will no longer be allowed to babysit. All visits will happen with us present.
So sick of this rationale and the "back in my day" speech. Yeah well your days are gone, get over it and get with the program.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Dec 31, 2013 12:42:24 GMT -5
DS1 would stay away from stuff if we told him. DS2 is now 15 months, and does not. Since our attention is more divided, he gets away with more before we notice, so we have to baby-proof more for him. I think that is the key, he has routinely gotten ahold of whatever he was going after much more than DS1 ever could, so he thinks that it is his right. When we took them to the in-laws for Christmas, it was no fun keeping DS2 away from the ornaments on the Christmas tree! At least you paid attention to him! These parents sat in the other room and mainly ignored their children running wild. When other adults would correct the children's (dangerous and destructive!) behaviors, we got rude comments that we should leave the parenting to the parents and not correct children that are not ours. Which is fine, unless you don't see your toddler climbing up to the stove even after I've told her no and put her in time-out several times! Your kid was screaming because I was keeping her safe, not because I was being too picky about her bratty behavior. Sorry for the hijack. I was so pissed that night. Came home and had a nice drink after DD was put to bed. Wow, that is really bad. There is no relaxing when there are toddlers running around, and to give you rude comments for watching out for their kids is uncalled for. They should be thanking you for helping them out.
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Post by muttleynfelix on Dec 31, 2013 13:05:53 GMT -5
What the heck Sam? Do they think because there are 4 of them that disciplining is too hard so they don't even try? I don't get that. I had my sister's kids help me keep JoJo out of stuff, Ben ... well I'll admit since he was better by the time we got to my parents, I let everyone else take of him. The nice thing about having kids spread out from16 to 1 is there have always been plenty of help to go around.
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Post by michelyn8 on Dec 31, 2013 13:08:26 GMT -5
I didn't know of anyones kid getting killed or hurt in a car wreck
That was my MIL's rationale when we caught her driving Gwen around w/o a carseat. My comeback was let's not make the first one your grandkid. I don't give a shit how things worked in 1975. This is 2013 and the law says my kid needs to be in a car seat. Not only that *I* say my kid needs to be in a carseat and as the parent my rules will be respected. DH told her if we ever find out she drove her around again w/o a seat she will no longer be allowed to babysit. All visits will happen with us present. So sick of this rationale and the "back in my day" speech. Yeah well your days are gone, get over it and get with the program. "Back in the day" was nice BUT I think most of us can acknowledge that some things have had to change and have been able to change with them. For one thing, not only are there more cars on the road, those cars are no where near as heavy as they were in the 70's. I can remember backing into a light pole that had a concrete base with my 1974 Pinto and not even getting a scratch on the bumper. I backed into something with my 1998 Cutlass and ended up with a hole in my bumper. I have more safety features in my 2007 Mazda, but at the same time they are needed. I don't even want to think what would happen if someone T-boned my car. So, DGD is always in her secured in her seat and although laws permit the seat to be by the door, I feel safer having her in the middle of the seat (not to mention Miss Mischief has discovered she can reach the door lock with her foot if beside the door). Another thing is that drivers these days are much more distracted than they were even 15 years ago. What with cell phones, being able to plug in an Ipod or other device, in dash computer screens, GPS devices, etc. to many are not fully concentrating on their driving. Back in the day, the most you really had to distract you was the radio. It takes so little effort to put a child in a seat I can't see not using one and taking the risk of them getting hurt.
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Post by michelyn8 on Dec 31, 2013 13:11:53 GMT -5
DS1 would stay away from stuff if we told him. DS2 is now 15 months, and does not. Since our attention is more divided, he gets away with more before we notice, so we have to baby-proof more for him. I think that is the key, he has routinely gotten ahold of whatever he was going after much more than DS1 ever could, so he thinks that it is his right. When we took them to the in-laws for Christmas, it was no fun keeping DS2 away from the ornaments on the Christmas tree! At least you paid attention to him! These parents sat in the other room and mainly ignored their children running wild. When other adults would correct the children's (dangerous and destructive!) behaviors, we got rude comments that we should leave the parenting to the parents and not correct children that are not ours. Which is fine, unless you don't see your toddler climbing up to the stove even after I've told her no and put her in time-out several times! Your kid was screaming because I was keeping her safe, not because I was being too picky about her bratty behavior. Sorry for the hijack. I was so pissed that night. Came home and had a nice drink after DD was put to bed. At which point I probably would have replied I wouldn't have to if you got off your lazy ass and did your job as their parent - but not quite that nice. Seeing this makes me so grateful my family has always been on the same page when it comes to keeping little kids from getting out of hand.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Dec 31, 2013 13:13:57 GMT -5
It takes so little effort to put a child in a seat I can't see not using one and taking the risk of them getting hurt
I know. I've never been so mad and neither has DH. Just accept the rfact it isn't 1975 anymore and respect that what we (and the law) says goes. I never would have forgiven her if something had happened. Just because you can be cocky and say "well none of my kids died and we didn't have car seats" doesn't mean your grandkid won't be the first.
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Post by michelyn8 on Dec 31, 2013 13:26:05 GMT -5
It takes so little effort to put a child in a seat I can't see not using one and taking the risk of them getting hurt
I know. I've never been so mad and neither has DH. Just accept the rfact it isn't 1975 anymore and respect that what we (and the law) says goes. I never would have forgiven her if something had happened. Just because you can be cocky and say "well none of my kids died and we didn't have car seats" doesn't mean your grandkid won't be the first. You know as a grandparent I find myself 10x more paranoid about something happening to DGD than I ever was with my own children. I think, for me, a lot of it has to do with age. In my 20's I knew bad things could happen but still had some of the "not to me" attitude. Now, in my 40's, I've seen more, read about even more, and in general am much more aware of the evils of the world. Also, it seems that people in general are just much more careless (and as I mentioned, distracted) than back in the day which makes the risks of something happening even higher. I hate being this way but just the thought of something happening to my little Sweetie Pie and the pain that would cause my daughter tells me that if someone did hurt her, I 'd be posting from a prison someone using earned internet privileges.
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