I cannot imagine.

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What an earth is up with all these parents killing their children, what has gone wrong that they do this.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2528754/This-sick-way-Kirill-away-Mother-3-year-old-thrown-death-Manhattan-high-rise-estranged-husband-just-lost-custody-said-nervous-handing-son-unsupervised-visits.html

[swamp]

If a kid is going to be killed, it's usually by a parent or parental figure, not a stranger.

And it's always happened, it's just publicized more.

[Miss Tequila]

We just had a man locally shoot his daughter because he wanted to punish his wife for leaving him. He was cruel enough to call he mom and say "say goodbye, I have a billet for her and a bullet for me". She called the cops but in the few minutes it took for them to get there it was too late.

I can't imagine what goes through a child's mind as they realize hat the one person who is supposed to protect them is the one that is about to hurt them. Makes me so sad

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It happens over a million times a year. And that is just in the USA.

[Opti]

Request, please adjust the title so people know what this concerns.
I was just going to post it because of this URL.

news.msn.com/us/mom-of-tot-thrown-from-nyc-building-heartbroken

Svetlana Kanarikov said in a statement that she had been nervous about her son's visits with his father, and she initially wanted them to be supervised. But she relented after a Dec. 5 court appearance.

"The father never did anything violent against the child before," Kanarikov said of the two previous visits in a statement issued Monday night through a lawyer. "Both times, Kirill was happy after seeing his dad. Skype calls were also going well."

The couple had been married four years and separated in August, and Svetlana Kanarikov said she had taken action after a domestic violence incident. Their split was acrimonious. In addition to Kirill, Dmitriy Kanarikov had wanted their house and other property, too, Svetlana Kanarikov said.

"He said he would take the child away and I will 'shoot myself from grief,'" she said. "This was his sick way to take Kirill away from me."

Officers responding to an emergency call reporting two jumpers from the building near Columbus Circle and Lincoln Center found Kanarikov, 35, of Brooklyn, and the boy on the lower rooftops of two separate nearby buildings.



I wish I couldn't imagine, but its easy. Parents have always killed their children,
I think men more than women. I find killings like this sad and annoying because
this type of killing is motivated by rage and anger - not any mental illness classified
in the DSM-IV or DSM-V. Yet the only real solution is education on mental health.
How not to lash out and destroy other lives just because you are mad and angry.
How to learn to survive these types of setbacks. Apparently it would be a great
help if some people could learn that job loss(suicide, boss shootings), divorce
& custody issues(suicide, murder) are navigable no matter how bad it is with the
right attitude, etc.

[billisonboard]

Dec 24, 2013 12:17:52 GMT -5 Opti said:

...

I wish I couldn't imagine, but its easy. Parents have always killed their children, I think men more than women. I find killings like this sad and annoying because this type of killing is motivated by rage and anger - not any mental illness classified in the DSM-IV or DSM-V. Yet the only real solution is education on mental health.  How not to lash out and destroy other lives just because you are mad and angry.  How to learn to survive these types of setbacks. Apparently it would be a great  help if some people could learn that job loss(suicide, boss shootings), divorce & custody issues(suicide, murder) are navigable no matter how bad it is with the right attitude, etc.

I would also add the need to work with women on how to not be emotional manipulative in stressful situations.

[mmhmm]

Dec 24, 2013 14:22:26 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Dec 24, 2013 12:17:52 GMT -5 Opti said:

...

I wish I couldn't imagine, but its easy. Parents have always killed their children, I think men more than women. I find killings like this sad and annoying because this type of killing is motivated by rage and anger - not any mental illness classified in the DSM-IV or DSM-V. Yet the only real solution is education on mental health.  How not to lash out and destroy other lives just because you are mad and angry.  How to learn to survive these types of setbacks. Apparently it would be a great  help if some people could learn that job loss(suicide, boss shootings), divorce & custody issues(suicide, murder) are navigable no matter how bad it is with the right attitude, etc.

I would also add the need to work with women on how to not be emotional manipulative in stressful situations.

That's not exclusively a problem with women, billis.

[Opti]

"I would also add the need to work with women on how to not be emotional manipulative in stressful situations.
"

Bills everyone needs help. Women though tend to kill their children for different
reasons(not counting the unfortunate post partum depression) like their new
love doesn't like kids or they simply aren't up to taking care of them. For now,
it is still rare women do the murder suicide thing to make "him" pay.


I was looking at behaviors that made people kill their children. I'm not sure
how that quote applies but you can find Nazgul's thread and Daddy like other
parents of either sex do just exactly that. (No killing of kids though. )



Define emotional manipulative. I get more verbose the more I'm stressed
unless its a true fight situation.

[billisonboard]

Dec 24, 2013 15:19:51 GMT -5 Opti said:

... I'm not sure how that quote applies ...

Define emotional manipulative. ...

If someone is on the edge, what those around the person do can talk them off or over that edge.

I struggled with the exact term that I wished to put in my post and settled on emotional manipulative. Probably not the best term. Take your pick for the term to describe the placement of a hand in the middle of a back.

[mmhmm]

Anger is an emotion and is sometimes used in a manipulative manner.  I think, perhaps, what billis is saying is:  Offer a caring hand, a listening ear, and a place in your heart to those who might be having a rough go of it - no matter the reason.  Sometimes, with the right actions, we can help walk someone away from their anger, or their hurt, or their depression with no more than a smile, a touch, and kindness.

[billisonboard]

Dec 24, 2013 17:34:10 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

... I think, perhaps, what billis is saying is: ...

What I was saying is that Thankfulist2013 talked about providing mental health help to people potential being violent. I was offering that it would be beneficial to all involved if other parties to the situation were taught how their behavior adds to the danger.

[mmhmm]

Thanks, billis.  You and I are saying the same thing, just in different ways.  To me, it's a darned shame people have to be taught how to be caring human beings!

[AGB]

Dec 24, 2013 14:26:16 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Dec 24, 2013 14:22:26 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

I would also add the need to work with women on how to not be emotional manipulative in stressful situations.

That's not exclusively a problem with women, billis.

No kidding. I remember quite a few phone calls from my ex where he threatened to kill himself. Right or wrong, I finally told him to just go ahead with it and hung up. That was the last time I got a call like that from him. Women certainly don't have the market cornered on emotional manipulation.

[djAdvocate]

Dec 25, 2013 11:21:16 GMT -5 AGB said:

Dec 24, 2013 14:26:16 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

That's not exclusively a problem with women, billis.

No kidding. I remember quite a few phone calls from my ex where he threatened to kill himself. Right or wrong, I finally told him to just go ahead with it and hung up. That was the last time I got a call like that from him. Women certainly don't have the market cornered on emotional manipulation.

yeah, because we both know how deeply attractive that sort of manipulation is.......

[billisonboard]

Dec 25, 2013 11:39:44 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Dec 25, 2013 11:21:16 GMT -5 AGB said:

No kidding. I remember quite a few phone calls from my ex where he threatened to kill himself. Right or wrong, I finally told him to just go ahead with it and hung up. That was the last time I got a call like that from him. Women certainly don't have the market cornered on emotional manipulation.

yeah, because we both know how deeply attractive that sort of manipulation is.......

True.  Emotional manipulation is not something that very many men are good at.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Dec 24, 2013 11:32:41 GMT -5 nutty said:

What an earth is up with all these parents killing their children, what has gone wrong that they do this.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2528754/This-sick-way-Kirill-away-Mother-3-year-old-thrown-death-Manhattan-high-rise-estranged-husband-just-lost-custody-said-nervous-handing-son-unsupervised-visits.html

In America, it's been legal to kill your unborn child since 1973.  There really IS a "culture of death" around murder of the helpless and dependent for the convenience of the fit and strong.  When we decided as a culture that it was OK in one circumstance- it really isn't that big a stretch to rationalize it in other circumstances.  We're just in denial about this fact as a culture- that the attitude is an infection that we have clean out completely.

[Tennesseer]

Dec 25, 2013 23:21:41 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Dec 24, 2013 11:32:41 GMT -5 nutty said:

What an earth is up with all these parents killing their children, what has gone wrong that they do this.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2528754/This-sick-way-Kirill-away-Mother-3-year-old-thrown-death-Manhattan-high-rise-estranged-husband-just-lost-custody-said-nervous-handing-son-unsupervised-visits.html

In America, it's been legal to kill your unborn child since 1973.  There really IS a "culture of death" around murder of the helpless and dependent for the convenience of the fit and strong.  When we decided as a culture that it was OK in one circumstance- it really isn't that big a stretch to rationalize it in other circumstances.  We're just in denial about this fact as a culture- that the attitude is an infection that we have clean out completely.

You must have read a different account of the ìncident than the rest of the world.

[EVT1]

It was just a 15th trimester abortion right

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I think I am changing on pro choice.

[mmhmm]

Dec 25, 2013 23:21:41 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Dec 24, 2013 11:32:41 GMT -5 nutty said:

What an earth is up with all these parents killing their children, what has gone wrong that they do this.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2528754/This-sick-way-Kirill-away-Mother-3-year-old-thrown-death-Manhattan-high-rise-estranged-husband-just-lost-custody-said-nervous-handing-son-unsupervised-visits.html

In America, it's been legal to kill your unborn child since 1973.  There really IS a "culture of death" around murder of the helpless and dependent for the convenience of the fit and strong.  When we decided as a culture that it was OK in one circumstance- it really isn't that big a stretch to rationalize it in other circumstances.  We're just in denial about this fact as a culture- that the attitude is an infection that we have clean out completely.

What the heck are you talking about?  This story had absolutely nothing to do with abortion, paul.  This was a result of a sick, angry, vindictive mind acting out on a child.  It would be nice if, just once, something could be discussed without you dragging the thread off in the direction of your little set of agendas.

[Tennesseer]

Dec 26, 2013 10:14:36 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Dec 25, 2013 23:21:41 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

In America, it's been legal to kill your unborn child since 1973.  There really IS a "culture of death" around murder of the helpless and dependent for the convenience of the fit and strong.  When we decided as a culture that it was OK in one circumstance- it really isn't that big a stretch to rationalize it in other circumstances.  We're just in denial about this fact as a culture- that the attitude is an infection that we have clean out completely.

What the heck are you talking about?  This story had absolutely nothing to do with abortion, paul.  This was a result of a sick, angry, vindictive mind acting out on a child.  It would be nice if, just once, something could be discussed without you dragging the thread off in the direction of your little set of agendas.

Stories about the killing of offspring by a parent seeking revenge against the other parent are at least as old as Euripedes' play Medea .  

[mmhmm]

Dec 26, 2013 10:27:45 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Dec 26, 2013 10:14:36 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

What the heck are you talking about?  This story had absolutely nothing to do with abortion, paul.  This was a result of a sick, angry, vindictive mind acting out on a child.  It would be nice if, just once, something could be discussed without you dragging the thread off in the direction of your little set of agendas.

Stories about the killing of offspring by a parent seeking revenge against the other parent are at least as old as Euripedes' play Medea .  

Yep.  This is certainly nothing new.  It's horrible, but it's anything but unique.  The issue of abortion, however, doesn't play in here anywhere.