Muslim clerk refuses to sell alcohol- sound familiar?

[AGB]

Dec 24, 2013 8:35:27 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Dec 24, 2013 0:25:04 GMT -5 AGB said:

She didn't refuse to serve the customer, she arranged for someone else to. Not seeing the big deal, to be honest. One of the cashiers at my local Walmart is, presumably, Muslim. She doesn't scan pork products or alcohol, but she calls a manager over while she continues to scan other items. The manager finishes scanning and rings me up, while she helps put bags in my cart. There is no delay in checking out, maybe a couple of seconds while the manager logs into the till. Life goes on.

The article I read yesterday stated the store announced they try to not put employees with certain "restrictions" in jobs that might create this situation and were working to see how this might happen.

Sounds fair to me. 

I've also noticed signs up by some check outs indicating that the cashier will need help ringing up alcohol, I'm guessing because of age. I wouldn't have a problem expanding that to other products.

This would rub me the wrong way though:

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Dec 24, 2013 10:51:07 GMT -5 AGB said:

Dec 24, 2013 8:35:27 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

The article I read yesterday stated the store announced they try to not put employees with certain "restrictions" in jobs that might create this situation and were working to see how this might happen.

Sounds fair to me. 

I've also noticed signs up by some check outs indicating that the cashier will need help ringing up alcohol, I'm guessing because of age. I wouldn't have a problem expanding that to other products.

This would rub me the wrong way though:

I agree.    Like the 12 items or fewer line.   I'll get in the goddamn line no matter how many items I have.   You aren't going to tell me where I can go.   Friggen people.

[AGB]

Dec 24, 2013 10:53:31 GMT -5 ArchietheDragon said:

Dec 24, 2013 10:51:07 GMT -5 AGB said:

I've also noticed signs up by some check outs indicating that the cashier will need help ringing up alcohol, I'm guessing because of age. I wouldn't have a problem expanding that to other products.

This would rub me the wrong way though:

I agree.    Like the 12 items or fewer line.   I'll get in the goddamn line no matter how many items I have.   You aren't going to tell me where I can go.   Friggen people.

Any cashier can work the 12 items or fewer line. I would not want to take religion into account when scheduling cashiers to make sure someone is on duty who can check out pork and alcohol.

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Dec 24, 2013 10:56:31 GMT -5 AGB said:

Dec 24, 2013 10:53:31 GMT -5 ArchietheDragon said:

I agree.    Like the 12 items or fewer line.   I'll get in the goddamn line no matter how many items I have.   You aren't going to tell me where I can go.   Friggen people.

Any cashier can work the 12 items or fewer line. I would not want to take religion into account when scheduling cashiers to make sure someone is on duty who can check out pork and alcohol.

Screw the cashiers.    They are there to make my shopping experience pleasant.   And stop asking me what I bought.   You work there.  If you don't know they are sweet onions then charge me for yellow.   Friggen high school droppouts.

[AGB]

Dec 24, 2013 10:58:14 GMT -5 ArchietheDragon said:

Dec 24, 2013 10:56:31 GMT -5 AGB said:

Any cashier can work the 12 items or fewer line. I would not want to take religion into account when scheduling cashiers to make sure someone is on duty who can check out pork and alcohol.

Screw the cashiers.    They are there to make my shopping experience pleasant.   And stop asking me what I bought.   You work there.  If you don't know they are sweet onions then charge me for yellow.   Friggen high school droppouts.

I worked as a cashier at Walmart after I graduated college.

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Dec 24, 2013 11:00:57 GMT -5 AGB said:

Dec 24, 2013 10:58:14 GMT -5 ArchietheDragon said:

Screw the cashiers.    They are there to make my shopping experience pleasant.   And stop asking me what I bought.   You work there.  If you don't know they are sweet onions then charge me for yellow.   Friggen high school droppouts.

I worked as a cashier at Walmart after I graduated college.

Oh God. that must have sucked.

[AGB]

Dec 24, 2013 11:01:40 GMT -5 ArchietheDragon said:

Dec 24, 2013 11:00:57 GMT -5 AGB said:

I worked as a cashier at Walmart after I graduated college.

Oh God. that must have sucked.

Yes, yes it did.

[Miss Tequila]

Dec 24, 2013 10:56:31 GMT -5 AGB said:

Dec 24, 2013 10:53:31 GMT -5 ArchietheDragon said:

I agree.    Like the 12 items or fewer line.   I'll get in the goddamn line no matter how many items I have.   You aren't going to tell me where I can go.   Friggen people.

Any cashier can work the 12 items or fewer line. I would not want to take religion into account when scheduling cashiers to make sure someone is on duty who can check out pork and alcohol.

I've never been in any place where every person capable of ringing out an order isn't of age. I know restaurants that serve alcohol won't hire unless you are 18 because in my state it illegal to serve alcohol if you are under 18.

I would be pissed if I saw that sign. What if the other line was twice as long? Why should the customer have to wait longer because they hire a cashier who can't ring up certain item? I'm all about convenience. I avoid my local price chopper because they never seem to have enough open lanes. I'd boycott for good if they started making me move to different lines to accommodate their staff. In my area, we are about 99% Christian or not religious. I can't imagine many people would put up with this without pitching a fit.

Their are other jobs in the grocery store. If you can't ring up all the merchandise you shouldn't be a cashier

[DVM gone riding]

Dec 23, 2013 18:03:17 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

I thought that too- happens to me at the grocery store all of the time because the cashier is too young to scan the beer.

But that is a law- my take is if you cannot perform the job then we don't need you- that includes pharmacy clerks and birth control.  If the entire pharmacy decides not to handle certain drugs- then that is a different story, just as a food store may decide not to sell alcohol. 

As far as birth control, though really we are talking about "plan-B", what you said in the last line WAS/IS the issue. Private pharmacists-not clerks-at private not corporate owned stores, not wanting to sale it in the stores PERIOD they didn't want to stock it or handle it. 

If it was this stores policy to not sale alcohol they shouldn't be made to do so, but since this was a corporate store that did sale alcohol the clerk either needed to be able to do that or needed to not be a clerk. If she/her family owned a small store then she/they should of course be within their rights to not sale alcohol

[workpublic]

why does an the overwhelming majority have to be poked in the eye by miniscule minorities in many situations these days? who let that happen? why does the majority stand for it?

if your religion forbids you to function in modern society, move to where you can function or deal with it and pray for forgiveness at home after work.

[Value Buy]

Dec 29, 2013 18:49:09 GMT -5 DVM gone riding said:

Dec 23, 2013 18:03:17 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

I thought that too- happens to me at the grocery store all of the time because the cashier is too young to scan the beer.

But that is a law- my take is if you cannot perform the job then we don't need you- that includes pharmacy clerks and birth control.  If the entire pharmacy decides not to handle certain drugs- then that is a different story, just as a food store may decide not to sell alcohol. 

As far as birth control, though really we are talking about "plan-B", what you said in the last line WAS/IS the issue. Private pharmacists-not clerks-at private not corporate owned stores, not wanting to sale it in the stores PERIOD they didn't want to stock it or handle it. 

If it was this stores policy to not sale alcohol they shouldn't be made to do so, but since this was a corporate store that did sale alcohol the clerk either needed to be able to do that or needed to not be a clerk. If she/her family owned a small store then she/they should of course be within their rights to not sale alcohol

Now you are violating the right of a clerk to hold a job, who is, unfortunately to young to ring up alcohol thru no fault of their own.

It is the individual state that is demanding this law be enforced. Not the business.

Kind of like the state of Indiana insisting Sunday sales of alcohol is illegal in retail stores, regardless of whether YOU want to buy it. Ity has nothing to do with your convience or needs or wants.

The business is simply enforcing the law.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Dec 24, 2013 10:51:07 GMT -5 AGB said:

Dec 24, 2013 8:35:27 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

The article I read yesterday stated the store announced they try to not put employees with certain "restrictions" in jobs that might create this situation and were working to see how this might happen.

Sounds fair to me. 

I've also noticed signs up by some check outs indicating that the cashier will need help ringing up alcohol, I'm guessing because of age. I wouldn't have a problem expanding that to other products.

This would rub me the wrong way though:

That seems reasonable to me.  Now, what of pharmacists who don't want to sell birth control or plan b?

[Sum Dum Gai]

I still don't get why a Muslim can't ring up pork products.  I understand they can't eat it, but is there a prohibition against touching pork, or any package that may contain pork?  Seems pretty specific to me.  The Koran must be a lot less vague than the bible.

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Dec 30, 2013 16:15:32 GMT -5 Sum Dum Gai said:

I still don't get why a Muslim can't wring up pork products.  I understand they can't eat it, but is there a prohibition against touching pork, or any package that may contain pork?  Seems pretty specific to me.  The Koran must be a lot less vague than the bible.

Similar to Judaism and pork products and keeping kosher.

[Sum Dum Gai]

I didn't realize Jews were forbidden to ever touch a box that contains non kosher food though.  I get that they won't eat it, and they probably wouldn't sell any at a Jewish deli, but are they forbidden from ringing up sausage if they work at a regular grocery store?

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Dec 30, 2013 16:29:57 GMT -5 Sum Dum Gai said:

I didn't realize Jews were forbidden to ever touch a box that contains non kosher food though.  I get that they won't eat it, and they probably wouldn't sell any at a Jewish deli, but are they forbidden from wringing up sausage if they work at a regular grocery store?

If they keep kosher kitchen, they have to have separate sets of everything.  One to use with meats and one to use with dairy.   Not sure about the touching, but it is similar.

[Tennesseer]

Dec 30, 2013 16:29:57 GMT -5 Sum Dum Gai said:

I didn't realize Jews were forbidden to ever touch a box that contains non kosher food though.  I get that they won't eat it, and they probably wouldn't sell any at a Jewish deli, but are they forbidden from wringing up sausage if they work at a regular grocery store?

Why would anyone one want to wring or squeeze a sausage to get liquid out of it? 

Never mind.  I just thought of one reason.

[Sum Dum Gai]

If they keep kosher kitchen, they have to have separate sets of everything. One to use with meats and one to use with dairy.

Interesting.  Never knew that.  Still doesn't answer the question about whether they can ring up my frozen pizza though.  They don't have to eat it.  They don't have to touch it.  They just have to touch the box it comes in when they run it through the scanner.  Similar to the muslim store clerk.  Nobody asked her to eat or even directly handle pork.  Just touch a box/package containing a pork product for one second while scanning the bar code.  Seems like it should be a non issue.

[mmhmm]

It is a non-issue, Dark.  There's nothing to prevent a Muslim from touching a box containing pork, or a package containing pork (provided there has been no leakage though the packaging). What's forbidden is to touch the pork, itself.  Same goes for alcohol in an unopened bottle.  This kind of stuff comes from people misinterpreting what's okay and what isn't, and from people who are looking to make something of nothing.

[Tennesseer]

Dec 30, 2013 16:37:15 GMT -5 Sum Dum Gai said:

If they keep kosher kitchen, they have to have separate sets of everything. One to use with meats and one to use with dairy.

Interesting.  Never knew that.  Still doesn't answer the question about whether they can ring up my frozen pizza though.  They don't have to eat it.  They don't have to touch it.  They just have to touch the box it comes in when they run it through the scanner.  Similar to the muslim store clerk.  Nobody asked her to eat or even directly handle pork.  Just touch a box/package containing a pork product for one second while scanning the bar code.  Seems like it should be a non issue.

Dark-more than once I have picked up a plastic wrapped (say) beef item in the meat department and some of the blood/juices had leaked to the bottom of the Styrofoam and plastic wrapping.  I have had to wipe the liquid onto my clothes to get it off my hands.

Not all items from the meat department are leak proof.

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Dec 30, 2013 16:29:57 GMT -5 Sum Dum Gai said:

I didn't realize Jews were forbidden to ever touch a box that contains non kosher food though.  I get that they won't eat it, and they probably wouldn't sell any at a Jewish deli, but are they forbidden from ringing up sausage if they work at a regular grocery store?

Jews also have to have sex through a hole in a sheet.

[Sum Dum Gai]

Kinky.  It does explain how the men can still get laid with those ridiculous beards though.  Their wives cover them with a sheet and picture somebody hot while doing it.

[AGB]

Dec 30, 2013 16:33:43 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Dec 30, 2013 16:29:57 GMT -5 Sum Dum Gai said:

I didn't realize Jews were forbidden to ever touch a box that contains non kosher food though.  I get that they won't eat it, and they probably wouldn't sell any at a Jewish deli, but are they forbidden from wringing up sausage if they work at a regular grocery store?

Why would anyone one want to wring or squeeze a sausage to get liquid out of it? 

Never mind.  I just thought of one reason.

[AGB]

Dec 30, 2013 16:44:18 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Dec 30, 2013 16:37:15 GMT -5 Sum Dum Gai said:

Interesting.  Never knew that.  Still doesn't answer the question about whether they can ring up my frozen pizza though.  They don't have to eat it.  They don't have to touch it.  They just have to touch the box it comes in when they run it through the scanner.  Similar to the muslim store clerk.  Nobody asked her to eat or even directly handle pork.  Just touch a box/package containing a pork product for one second while scanning the bar code.  Seems like it should be a non issue.

Dark-more than once I have picked up a plastic wrapped (say) beef item in the meat department and some of the blood/juices had leaked to the bottom of the Styrofoam and plastic wrapping.  I have had to wipe the liquid onto my clothes to get it off my hands.

Not all items from the meat department are leak proof.

[Tennesseer]

Dec 30, 2013 17:15:35 GMT -5 AGB said:

Dec 30, 2013 16:33:43 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Why would anyone one want to wring or squeeze a sausage to get liquid out of it? 

Never mind.  I just thought of one reason.

At least someone got it.

[AGB]

Dec 30, 2013 16:00:18 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Dec 24, 2013 10:51:07 GMT -5 AGB said:

I've also noticed signs up by some check outs indicating that the cashier will need help ringing up alcohol, I'm guessing because of age. I wouldn't have a problem expanding that to other products.

This would rub me the wrong way though:

That seems reasonable to me.  Now, what of pharmacists who don't want to sell birth control or plan b?

If it's your pharmacy, your call. If you're working for someone else, hope you're not the only one on duty who can sell your employer's products.

[AGB]

Dec 30, 2013 17:17:08 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Dec 30, 2013 17:15:35 GMT -5 AGB said:

At least someone got it.

Not bad for a conservative, eh...

[Tennesseer]

Dec 30, 2013 17:21:44 GMT -5 AGB said:

Dec 30, 2013 17:17:08 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

At least someone got it.

Not bad for a conservative, eh...

Not bad at all.    

[zibazinski]

If I ever saw a sign like that, I'd never shop at that store again, after telling the manager why. Sooner or later that store would hopefully go out of business and that would send a clear lesson that that crap isn't going to be tolerated. You have religious issues? Work where it doesn't matter then. I'm NOT going to accommodate you and it's BS that I'd be expected to. You're employed to serve the public in the way that you were hired, period. That is one stupid store manager soon to be an ex manager, I would hope.

[Green Eyed Lady]

What the heck ever happened to "If I don't like your business practices, I'll just shop somewhere else."?  And no.  I don't think that because I don't throw a protest fit, all businesses in the world will suddenly follow suit and stop selling pork and alcohol in some aisles.