#FSUcleatchasers

[broncoballer32]

It turns out that the accuser and her friends actually had a Twitter account with the hash tag #FSUcleatchasers, which has since been deleted.




Allegedly, according to a report from TerezOwens, Winston and the accuser had slept together consensually on numerous occasions including the night in question but he wouldn’t spend the whole night because his girlfriend was coming into town and the star quarterback refused to break up with her for the accuser.




Looking for an out of court settlement is my guess. 

[Virgil Showlion]

You're going to have to provide some context on what this is about. An alleged rape, I'm guessing?

[broncoballer32]

Nov 29, 2013 9:37:58 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

You're going to have to provide some context on what this is about. An alleged rape, I'm guessing?

Oh, cause this has been the biggest news in sports over the last two weeks. 

Yes, the alleged sexual assault on a girl at FSU by Jameis Winston, who is the front runner right now for the Heisman Trophy. 

The incident happened in 2012 (December) but this has not been pursued until now. 

www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/acc/2013/11/27/tallahassee-police-florida-state-jameis-winston-sex-battery-investigation-timeline/3770969/

[sesfw]

If all of this is true then the sports-person should not be in the running for a Heisman Trophy.  Young children tend to admire a sports hero and want to be like them.  If a winner has a bad personal life then the kids will want to do the same.  Hopefully a decent personal life will rub off on the kids the same way.

I don't watch sports so this is news to me.

[Virgil Showlion]

Nov 29, 2013 9:41:41 GMT -5 broncoballer32 said:

Nov 29, 2013 9:37:58 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

You're going to have to provide some context on what this is about. An alleged rape, I'm guessing?

Oh, cause this has been the biggest news in sports over the last two weeks. 

Yes, the alleged sexual assault on a girl at FSU by Jameis Winston, who is the front runner right now for the Heisman Trophy. 

The incident happened in 2012 (December) but this has not been pursued until now. 

www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/acc/2013/11/27/tallahassee-police-florida-state-jameis-winston-sex-battery-investigation-timeline/3770969/

Ah.

Like sesfw, US college football is a very small, very infrequent blip on my radar.

Whether it turns out to be rape or extortion, hopefully justice will be served. 'Nuff said.

[billisonboard]

Nov 29, 2013 10:33:27 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

... 'Nuff said.

[broncoballer32]

Nov 29, 2013 10:19:44 GMT -5 sesfw said:

If all of this is true then the sports-person should not be in the running for a Heisman Trophy.  Young children tend to admire a sports hero and want to be like them.  If a winner has a bad personal life then the kids will want to do the same.  Hopefully a decent personal life will rub off on the kids the same way.

I don't watch sports so this is news to me.

Well there is nothing criminal as of yet, and sex between two people over the age of 18 is not exactly uncommon.

Especially when it comes to the athletes at major universities. How naive can we be?

If he did sexually assault her, then fine. Fornication may be wrong to many, but it is not against the law.

[moon/Laura]

Nov 29, 2013 10:37:21 GMT -5 broncoballer32 said:

Well there is nothing criminal as of yet, and sex between two people over the age of 18 is not exactly uncommon.

Especially when it comes to the athletes at major universities. How naive can we be?

If he did sexually assault her, then fine. Fornication may be wrong to many, but it is not against the law.

HUH? It's "fine" if he assaulted her? I sure hope that's not what you meant, but that's how it reads.

The problem with athletes is that many of them think that they're ENTITLED to whatever the eff they want - including sex - and the word "no" means nothing to them.

I'm not saying she said no, I'm just giving my observation that athletes take what they want, up to and including to the point of rape, and then people want to sweep it under the rug because "he's a star".

[Tennesseer]

And the number of adults involved in the alleged cover up keeps growing and growing.

SPORTS OF THE TIMES

In Steubenville Rape Case, a Lesson for Adults

A year ago this week, Michael McVey, the superintendent of schools in Steubenville, Ohio, sat in a conference room down the hall from his office and said he knew none of the details of Aug. 11, 2012, the night a 16-year-old girl was raped by two Steubenville High football players at a series of parties on a hot summer night.

Nope, he said, he didn’t know much, aside from the rumors that had been swirling around the football-crazy town for months. He told me and a colleague that he had not spoken with any of the students thought to be involved in the event because it hadn’t taken place on school grounds or during the school year. Besides, he said, he usually let the football coach take care of that sort of thing.

Basically, he was saying, it was none of his business. So he stayed out of it.

That all changed drastically Monday, when Ohio’s attorney general, Mike DeWine, made it McVey’s business.

More:  In Steubenville Rape Case, a Lesson for Adults

[billisonboard]

Nov 29, 2013 11:04:05 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

... it hadn’t taken place on school grounds or during the school year. ...

Basically, he was saying, it was none of his business. So he stayed out of it.
...

And he was correct, IM(not so)HO of course.

[the flying reindeer]

In the case of the Florida State quarterback, he has not been convicted of anything. The girl refused to testify against him a year ago. The only reason this was brought up again was because of the Heisman Trophy possibility. Mind you, he hasn't won the trophy and with this hanging over his head, he probably won't. I'll be interested in what happens to the charge of rape after the trophy is awarded to someone else and it's no longer a newsworthy item.

This wouldn't the first time that a rush to judgment has wound up looking foolish. I'm sure that sports fans will remember the case of the Duke lacrosse players being accused of raping a gril at a frat party and it turned out to be a fabrication, but only after the players went through a hell of a time.

Accusations aren't convictions. Remember that we are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Even if you are a star athlete.

[moon/Laura]

Nov 29, 2013 16:12:13 GMT -5 the flying reindeer said:

This wouldn't the first time that a rush to judgment has wound up looking foolish. I'm sure that sports fans will remember the case of the Duke lacrosse players being accused of raping a gril at a frat party and it turned out to be a fabrication, but only after the players went through a hell of a time.

Accusations aren't convictions. Remember that we are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Even if you are a star athlete.

No one *here* has 'rushed to judgement'.

However, I don't think you can deny that even when you have proof beyond a shadow of a doubt, that there will be those who blame the victim and say 'how dare she ruin his life!'.

What about HER life?! Is her life less important because she's not a sports star?

[broncoballer32]

Nov 29, 2013 10:48:02 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

Nov 29, 2013 10:37:21 GMT -5 broncoballer32 said:

Well there is nothing criminal as of yet, and sex between two people over the age of 18 is not exactly uncommon.

Especially when it comes to the athletes at major universities. How naive can we be?

If he did sexually assault her, then fine. Fornication may be wrong to many, but it is not against the law.

HUH? It's "fine" if he assaulted her? I sure hope that's not what you meant, but that's how it reads.

The problem with athletes is that many of them think that they're ENTITLED to whatever the eff they want - including sex - and the word "no" means nothing to them.

I'm not saying she said no, I'm just giving my observation that athletes take what they want, up to and including to the point of rape, and then people want to sweep it under the rug because "he's a star".

No, I said if he is guilty, then FINE let him not be eligible for the Heisman (at the very least). As of right now though, all he is guilty of sexual relations with the girl. Which he did have. That is what I meant by FINE if he is FOUND GUILTY of sexual assault. 

[moon/Laura]

Thank you for the clarification, because that is not at all how it came across.

[zibazinski]

I certainly understood what he meant.  Being from Florida, I knew about it.  IF he did it, then he deserves what the law will allow.  IF he didn't, I hope he goes after her big time for trying to ruin his life. 

[the flying reindeer]

Nov 29, 2013 20:17:57 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

I certainly understood what he meant.  Being from Florida, I knew about it.  IF he did it, then he deserves what the law will allow.  IF he didn't, I hope he goes after her big time for trying to ruin his life. 

I agree with you except the girl isn't the one who brought it up but some journalist digging into his background because of his being the leading candidate for the trophy.
And now after a couple of weeks looking into the case again by the ploice and state attorney's office, still nothing has been done. In the meantime, the FSU star athlete has this hovering over him.
I don't know whether he is guilty or not but how long will it take to decide if a crime was committed or not? If the girl was raped, then she deserves to see her rapist tried, convicted and punished.
I don't have any idea what the Heisman Trophy voters will decide to do. If I were one, I'd vote for someone without a rape charge hanging over him.

[zibazinski]

Exactly. He will be punished whether he is guilty or not. He MAY be, he MAY not be but forever he is tainted. 

[billisonboard]

Jordan Lynch from Northern Illinois is a college senior well deserving of the Heisman Trophy this year.  Jameis Winston is a red-shirt freshman who can return for three more years to pursue gridiron glory if it is found the accusations are not well grounded.  If he remains able to play, he is talented enough to win the award in the future and will move on to play professional football (making a lot of money in the process).  Unless he is tried and convicted, this situation will be a minor blip in his life.

[the flying reindeer]

You may be right about this being a mere blip in his life. It certainly doesn't seem to have disturbed his playing ability. FSU just destroyed the University of Florida, 35-7 I think was the final score last night.

[mmhmm]

Nov 29, 2013 9:41:41 GMT -5 broncoballer32 said:

Nov 29, 2013 9:37:58 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

You're going to have to provide some context on what this is about. An alleged rape, I'm guessing?

Oh, cause this has been the biggest news in sports over the last two weeks. 

Yes, the alleged sexual assault on a girl at FSU by Jameis Winston, who is the front runner right now for the Heisman Trophy. 

The incident happened in 2012 (December) but this has not been pursued until now. 

www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/acc/2013/11/27/tallahassee-police-florida-state-jameis-winston-sex-battery-investigation-timeline/3770969/

broncoballer32, what we don't have yet is a link to the cut/paste in your original post.  When you cut/paste something from the internet into a thread on this message board, a link to the source site is required.  It's a matter of copyright.  The information on the OP is not contained in the site reached through the link provided above.
mmhmm, Administrator

[EVT1]

I think I get the point of the thread- these cleat-chasing ho-bags are incapable of being sexually assaulted right?  Can't rape a whore?

Of course that is the other extreme position- who knows what happened.  She could be a vindictive witch or he could be a baller that thinks he can take what he wants.  I vote for justice.  But I know a thing or two about sports whores- they don't generally call the police without a reason, but plenty of male athletes think they can take what they want when it comes to women.  Its a long list.

Odds are pretty good either way not the kind of girl to take home to mom.

[steff]

FSU has (basically) a no thug policy.  If an athlete on any of their teams is even charged with a felony, they are off the team immediately.  The message is "don't put yourself in situations that are questionable or you won't be playing for us".  And given the history & culture of college football & players being treated as untouchable, it's not a bad policy.  Players need to be reminded that they are lucky to be playing for a top notch college team.  Most of them are getting a free education & an already cushy, protected ride. 

To even assume that Winston is a shoe-in for the Heisman is well, a pretty big assumption for many reasons. 

Last year was the first time a freshman won it.  Many voters believe that it went to Manziel's head & the whole autograph scandal made the NCAA look stupid.  The belief is that a freshman (even a red shirt freshman) is just too young & immature to handle the responsibility & honor of being a Heisman winner.   Manziel's win & the autograph scandal will make many Heisman voters think twice about giving it to a freshman again. 

Then add in the Bush Heisman catastrophe...the Cam Newton Heisman catastrophe...all the investigations that went on with Bush & Newton after the fact...it's enough to give voters cause to avoid anyone with the slightest hint of trouble. 

I see the nice safe AJ McCarron winning it.  No controversy, no scandals, great record, team player...nice & safe. 


for the record, I'm a Texas A&M fan & I LOVE Johnny Football. 

[Virgil Showlion]

This is only slightly off-topic, but every time I see the OP, I keep wanting to push her dentures back in.

[billisonboard]

How about giving the award for the most outstanding player in college football to the most outstanding player in college football:

Jordan Lynch rushes into Heisman race
espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/79171/jordan-lynch-rushes-into-heisman-race

[djAdvocate]

Dec 1, 2013 23:02:23 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

This is only slightly off-topic, but every time I see the OP, I keep wanting to push her dentures back in.

she has enough teeth for two people.

[mmhmm]

The picture in the OP is NOT of the woman whose name is now being bandied about by all sorts of sites that are delving into this issue.  There appears to be a lot of garbage floating around the internet about this, and people who had nothing to do with the whole mess are going to get sullied by it.  It's disgusting.

broncoballer32, in future do not post copy/pasted material without a link to your source.  Any such material will be removed. - mmhmm, Administrator

[broncoballer32]

Dec 2, 2013 3:00:10 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

The picture in the OP is NOT of the woman whose name is now being bandied about by all sorts of sites that are delving into this issue.  There appears to be a lot of garbage floating around the internet about this, and people who had nothing to do with the whole mess are going to get sullied by it.  It's disgusting.

broncoballer32, in future do not post copy/pasted material without a link to your source.  Any such material will be removed. - mmhmm, Administrator

I took the photo down. It was originally there with Terez Owens. That was why I said, ACCORDING TO TEREZ OWENS. However, that photo was taken down. I should not have put those photos up, or at least should have taken it down after they took it down. 

Yeah, I hate passing along information like that, and I should know better than posting photos from other websites. 

[mmhmm]

Thanks, broncoballer32.  Too many times we jump too quickly and the uninvolved are suddenly involved without their consent.  We appreciate your understanding and compliance.

mmhmm, Administrator

[the flying reindeer]

Well the state attorney has said hat Jameis Winston, FSU quarterback, will not be charged with the alleged rape. So now he's free to play in the national championship game and receive the Heisman Trophy.

[broncoballer32]

Something smells about this in regards to the alleged victim. On one hand, she claimed that the person that raped her was 5 foot 9. That is a given. There is no real way to mistaken that for 6 foot 4.  Now, we know there is other DNA that is not Winston’s. Couple that with her not being able to remember, and the fact she was not on drugs or drunk. .04 is not drunk…..at all. That is like a half a glass of wine.

The accuser’s story was not credible, and the police were right to warn her, since they are experienced in knowing what a fake story sounds like.

Her aunt used the fact that the police showed her the ramifications for her client’s benefit. The way it was leaked and reported by typical boobs in th media was that the police tried to “protect an athlete.” She garnered public support to put pressure on the school to get an out of court settlement. It did not work. Now, they will not being going on with it, cause the girls claims are not measuring up with rape.

The search warrant affidavit, obtained Thursday morning by FOX Sports 1, details her allegation that she was sexually assaulted by someone she did not know — and that she was so impaired that she was unable to tell a detective where the incident occurred. She told the detective that she was with friends who left and she had only hazy recollections of details after that.

The woman had contacted police within an hour of the alleged rape.

“Her memory is very broken from that point forward,” a detective wrote in the document. “She remembers being in what she thinks is a cab” with a “non-descript” African-American man “in the back seat with her.”

“She then remembers entering an apartment on the ground floor (no other description available),” the detective wrote. “She remembers the male taking off her clothes then engaging in penile/vaginal sex with her as she told him to stop and tried to fight him off.”

The incident occurred early the morning of Dec. 7, 2012, at an off-campus apartment.

The woman called police about five weeks after the incident and identified Winston — at the time a highly regarded recruit but a player who had yet to appear in a game — as her attacker.