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Post by milee on Nov 28, 2013 13:23:45 GMT -5
Dang. For the last few years, we've been eating mostly whole foods and dishes prepared at home. Probably 50% - 70% organic produce. Even when we eat out, it tends to be at places that are actually preparing the food, not just heating processed stuff.
So what's the problem? The less I eat of the processed, chemical stuff, the more obnoxious I think it smells and tastes when I encounter it. I don't buy the non-organic apples any more since I can taste the pesticide residue, which is a PITA and expensive. This Thanksgiving, when I made a few of the boys favorite recipes from prior years, the processed ingredients (like canned soup) just smells weird. Last week, we went to Bass Pro and the plastic weird smell was enough to gag me. No idea what I brushed against, but during the visit my arm touched something that gave me a rash and I've had itchy hives in that spot for four days now.
To sum it up, the less I eat and surround myself with the chemical stuff that makes up everyday American life, the less I'm able to deal with it when I have to. I'm becoming a freak and it worries me that it will be isolating in the future. No idea whether I've been avoiding this stuff because my body doesn't like it or my body doesn't like it because I haven't been exposed to it in a while, but something's up.
So do I live with the freakiness and avoid processed plastic food and stuff forever or somehow start re-introducing it to build up a tolerance?
Anybody else have these issues?
Oh, and happy Thanksgiving. Hope everybody enjoyed their processed foods.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2013 13:39:27 GMT -5
In general, I think it's good to be that selective. I cut out a lot of processed foods (although I'm heating up canned soup for a light lunch prior to our big Thanksgiving dinner) and I've lost almost 20 lbs. When you get used to honest, fresh ingredients being prepared simply, it's easier to pass up a lot of the junky stuff because you know it won't be satisfying, it will have a chemical aftertaste, etc. Packaged baked goods are the easiest for me to avoid even though I love homemade cakes and cookies and anything with frosting.
We're having turkey breast, probably mashed potatoes (or maybe bulghur or couscous), a salad, boiled shrimp from Whole Foods as an appetizer and a bottle of good Missouri sparkling wine (Stone Hill Blanc de Blancs).
So, not 100% chemical-free, but pretty healthy.
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Post by Apple on Nov 28, 2013 13:39:48 GMT -5
I get that taste with a lot of things as well. I do almost all from-scratch cooking and baking. This year, I made the chocolate peanut butter pie I made last year, that calls for cool whip, and it just doesn't taste as good as it used to. Looks like it's time to find a recipe that uses real whipped cream (the only problem with the real stuff is that it doesn't hold its shape after a while).
I'm very sensitive to various fumes, and that has affected me at work. For the most part, I just don't do those jobs or make sure I never use the cleaners in a sprayer, just with a bucket and rags.
I have kept just enough processed food in my diet that it doesn't all affect me, but I'm finding that rare fast food meal sits worse and worse. It still sounds so good, but after a few bites of many items, my stomach doesn't feel so great.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2013 13:55:36 GMT -5
Milee...I know exactly what you're talking about. I've decided that since my body doesn't like that crap and I feel better not eating it, I am going to try and stay away from it as much as possible. Apple...Whether it holds up or not, I'll opt for real whipped cream any day over that fake stuff.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Nov 28, 2013 15:18:35 GMT -5
I love real whipped cream. I can't eat redid whip at all. I can handle land-o-lakes.
I wont eat fast food anymore. I did eat at Red Robin last night, but that's about as low as I go.
I find the alienation to happen when wanting to go out to eat with people. For example, MIL loves Shari's. (Is that a national chain? It's a small step up from Denny's) I tried to pint out one time that we really didn't like it, and by golly that woman glared at me!
my SIL and I jokingly-and yet seriously--made a pact to not ever take our children to Home Town buffet again because it was so hideous. Her mother told her she was a snob. My family thinks I'm a snob also because we prefer to eat at real restaurants with real, fresh food. My husband only wants fresh veggies--no frozen or canned. So, between those two and a few other food non-negotiables, people who don't agree with our choices just think we are snobs. At some point, I work hard to be able to eat well, and I'm going to do so.
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Post by chiver78 on Nov 28, 2013 15:31:12 GMT -5
I'm with apple - I try to keep a little fake crap in my diet so that I can still enjoy a little of whatever everyone else is having at the holidays without major problems. but I totally get where you're coming from with sensitivities to fake crap when you aren't eating it at all. today's meal was a big brunch here. we had almost all natural foods, including French toast made with a vegan artisan bread from a local baker that uses all organic ingredients. the "guilty pleasures" were the processed tater tots in the casserole and the Pillsbury crescent rolls that were used to make pinwheel mini-bites. could I make my own dough for the pinwheels and use fresh potatoes for the casserole? yeah....but for the twice a year that we do this, it's fine. I've gotten strange looks when going out to eat, too. I've long had a seafood allergy that has limited my ability to eat fried foods at many places, simply because they don't separate foods for cooking. for the past couple years, I find myself ordering things without all the slathered sauces, without cheese, or grilled poultry and fish instead of fried...and causing all sorts of havoc with servers that aren't used to that. it definitely sucks to feel like you're being a PITA for asking for things to be prepared healthily like I would at home.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Nov 28, 2013 15:40:07 GMT -5
DH had that happen at red robin last night. He ordered a chicken breast enter and asked for there to be none of the sauce on it. The server was startled, but not rude.
At at a local restaurant that has great food, he did that a month ago--ordered a chicken breast entree and asked for just the chicken and raw apples. (I think it was supposed to come with a Gorgonzola sauce and mashed potatoes.) The server was also a personal trainer and she just kept praising DH for being committed to healthy eating. (I still ordered the seafood pasta). She gave him lots of suggestions for ordering healthy portions of meals there the next time we came in.
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Post by grits on Nov 28, 2013 15:48:09 GMT -5
The more healthy my diet became, the more intolerant my body grew to certain things. I can no longer eat greasy food. If I do, within 30 minutes, I am sick.
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Post by chiver78 on Nov 28, 2013 15:51:06 GMT -5
that's all pretty interesting, wxyz, but there's a lot to be said for a palette that adjusts to what it regularly tastes. as in, when you're eating healthier, you don't crave junk....and the flip side is true as well. personally, when I'm eating a lot of processed foods in my meals, I am a lot more likely to opt for processed crackers or chips as a snack instead of snap peas - which provide the same sort of "crunch" that is my first requirement for a snack. where I'm going with this is that if the people surveyed eat a lot of conventional produce, they are going to be used to the effects of the chemicals that are used in the growing process - many of which accentuate natural taste and visible physical properties. like GMO foods, that doesn't mean they are the healthiest option out there.
and yes, it's great that many of us have the choice to purchase the products we like, for whatever reasons we choose. it's too bad that organic and chemical-free foods are out of price reach for so many people.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2013 16:00:31 GMT -5
The more healthy my diet became, the more intolerant my body grew to certain things. I can no longer eat greasy food. If I do, within 30 minutes, I am sick. I don't even pretend to eat healthy, but I can't tolerate grease any more. I think that's a function of your gall bladder.
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Post by Apple on Nov 28, 2013 16:06:09 GMT -5
For me, it doesn't need to be organic (I pretty much only purchase organic if it is the same price, so not often). My preference is just homemade/homegrown whenever possible.
I have a freezer full of beef raised by my brother and pork (including ham and bacon) raised by my coworker. Both, to me, taste better than store-bought. And really, there is nothing better than fresh eggs, "straight from the chicken's butt". They puff up so much better, you can see the difference if you fry them side-by-side.
When you grow up eating vegetables from the garden, and fruit straight off the tree, well, I think you can tell the difference, but that's just me. I miss being able to walk outside and pluck a peach off the tree for breakfast. I rarely eat canned fruit (even home canned) because I was "spoiled" with fresh picked as a child.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Nov 28, 2013 16:51:35 GMT -5
Either my body has never gotten to the point of being that healthy, but I can never tell the difference between organic vs non-organic.
Also, the skeptic in me says that unless you literally grow and process all your food, you never really know what you are getting.
I do try to buy certain things organic such as milk, chicken, certain produce. We buy beef from a local farm, hoping that it's healthier. But I also buy chips and crackers and pretzels and such.
We've considered going Gluten Free for about 5 seconds, but I don't really see gluten having any effect on our family, so I don't think we'll be doing that.
I gotta say, though, I became interested in nutrition about 10-12 yrs ago. It's absolutely fascinating to see the changes that have happened as far as what is "good for you" vs "eat it and you'll die in a minute"
Not to mention of the invention for 10 new diets that everyone can't live without anymore
So, I think the bottom line, I pretend that we make good choice and hope for the best
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Post by grits on Nov 28, 2013 17:20:20 GMT -5
The more healthy my diet became, the more intolerant my body grew to certain things. I can no longer eat greasy food. If I do, within 30 minutes, I am sick. I don't even pretend to eat healthy, but I can't tolerate grease any more. I think that's a function of your gall bladder.
I talked to my doctor about it. My gall bladder is fine. After prolonged consumption of foods, our body builds up a tolerance for it. If we get off the food for an extended time, in my case many years, we can lose that tolerance.
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Post by milee on Nov 28, 2013 17:29:21 GMT -5
Either my body has never gotten to the point of being that healthy, but I can never tell the difference between organic vs non-organic. FWIW, I don't think it's a health/non-health thing, just a sensitivity to different tastes. And I can only taste the difference in non-organic apples. My guess is that there's a certain apple pesticide that I can now taste.
We started buying more organics and less processed foods partly for heath reasons, but more because both my sons have ADHD. There have been some studies that show that certain kids with ADHD benefit from a diet low in processed foods and there have been other studies that link rates of ADHD with certain pesticides. Do I think that I can "cure" my kids by eating organic kale three times a day? Nope. But I can afford to buy organic and it doesn't hurt us, so if it helps then great and if it doesn't we haven't lost anything or hurt ourselves.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2013 17:29:26 GMT -5
I've gotten strange looks when going out to eat, too. I've long had a seafood allergy that has limited my ability to eat fried foods at many places, simply because they don't separate foods for cooking. for the past couple years, I find myself ordering things without all the slathered sauces, without cheese, or grilled poultry and fish instead of fried...and causing all sorts of havoc with servers that aren't used to that. it definitely sucks to feel like you're being a PITA for asking for things to be prepared healthily like I would at home. There are more of us now. I don't have any allergies but I an easily live without fried, so I never order fried foods. I also avoid cream-based sauces and cheesy ones- too much fat and calories and not worth it to me. I once had a salad and a main dish of roasted asparagus at a high-end steak house during a business lunch. You're the customer and that's what you want!
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Nov 28, 2013 17:53:35 GMT -5
Either my body has never gotten to the point of being that healthy, but I can never tell the difference between organic vs non-organic. FWIW, I don't think it's a health/non-health thing, just a sensitivity to different tastes. And I can only taste the difference in non-organic apples. My guess is that there's a certain apple pesticide that I can now taste.
We started buying more organics and less processed foods partly for heath reasons, but more because both my sons have ADHD. There have been some studies that show that certain kids with ADHD benefit from a diet low in processed foods and there have been other studies that link rates of ADHD with certain pesticides. Do I think that I can "cure" my kids by eating organic kale three times a day? Nope. But I can afford to buy organic and it doesn't hurt us, so if it helps then great and if it doesn't we haven't lost anything or hurt ourselves.
That's interesting about organic and ADHD. My kids don't ADD/ADHD but I can see the difference in them if they eat crap with HFCS or food dyes. I am curious, what do you consider eating of less processed foods (beyond the obvious ones)
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Post by chiver78 on Nov 28, 2013 18:01:01 GMT -5
I've gotten strange looks when going out to eat, too. I've long had a seafood allergy that has limited my ability to eat fried foods at many places, simply because they don't separate foods for cooking. for the past couple years, I find myself ordering things without all the slathered sauces, without cheese, or grilled poultry and fish instead of fried...and causing all sorts of havoc with servers that aren't used to that. it definitely sucks to feel like you're being a PITA for asking for things to be prepared healthily like I would at home. There are more of us now. I don't have any allergies but I an easily live without fried, so I never order fried foods. I also avoid cream-based sauces and cheesy ones- too much fat and calories and not worth it to me. I once had a salad and a main dish of roasted asparagus at a high-end steak house during a business lunch. You're the customer and that's what you want! salad and roasted asparagus sounds like a great lunch! I will say that during my years of extensive business travel in Europe, I was a very strict vegetarian....especially in those places that I couldn't understand the menu (thankfully those places were minimal, between English and French). to be perfectly honest, I found places over there to be a lot more gracious about accommodating restrictions than those who are bound by law to do so here at home.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2013 18:11:32 GMT -5
I am curious, what do you consider eating of less processed foods (beyond the obvious ones) My own answer on this: first of all, I like really short ingredient lists! I also want there to be few or no unpronounceable chemicals. Nothing that's barely recognizable compared to its original form. I checked the ingredient list of cereal with "Greek yogurt" and it included yogurt which had been pasteurized (thus killing all the good bacteria) and powdered (ditto). That's not yogurt. Speaking of Greek yogurt, I also avoid the "Greek-style" which includes cornstarch and other thickeners. If the label says anything but milk and yogurt cultures, forget it. (I add my own honey.) Much of the processed food is made to slide down easily with minimal chewing. Think of the time it takes to eat a salad compared to a quesadilla. Think of Wonder Bread vs. a good, textured whole wheat version. You eat more because you don't get the signal that you're full and it's not really satisfying anyway. Finally, nothing that's been turned into another form of candy. That includes most breakfast cereals (I make oatmeal from oat bran flakes and add cinnamon), granola bars and flavored yogurts. I will say that during my years of extensive business travel in Europe, I was a very strict vegetarian....especially in those places that I couldn't understand the menu (thankfully those places were minimal, between English and French). I was once in Munich on business with a colleague who was vegan. THAT was fun. Fortunately I knew enough German to translate menus: calves' lungs, calves' heart, calves' liver, calves' brains.. I'll say one thing, the Germans didn't waste anything! He found some Indian and Middle Eastern restaurants and that helped.
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Post by milee on Nov 28, 2013 18:17:36 GMT -5
That's interesting about organic and ADHD. My kids don't ADD/ADHD but I can see the difference in them if they eat crap with HFCS or food dyes. I am curious, what do you consider eating of less processed foods (beyond the obvious ones) Less processed to me means either whole foods (food in its natural form, doesn't mean organic) or foods that are prepared simply without additives or preservatives. It means I cook most of our food from scratch and when we eat out, we eat at restaurants that are preparing the food there, not reheating frozen or food-service pre-prepared foods. When I grocery shop, 95% of what I buy is around the perimeter of the store - produce and meats with a few staples like spices, oils and grains from the aisles. We sometimes will get cereal, but more often eat just oatmeal. Just like we sometimes will get a jar of pasta sauce, but most of the time I make the sauce myself. Does that mean we never, ever eat prepared stuff? No. Every once in a while, we'll get tortilla chips or eat junk food or stop at a fast food place, but those are rare and not the norm.
Here's a link to an article about ADHD and pesticides. content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1989564,00.html
Edited to add: for me, less processed does not equal short ingredient list. I'm a good cook and I enjoy making good food. That often requires a well-stocked kitchen and multiple ingredients. That's fine with me, as long as I'm doing the cooking because I know what's in it. Good Indian, Thai and other foods often have a page long ingredient list, but the ingredients are fresh spices, onions, garlic and all sorts of other things that are good for you. A long ingredient list doesn't worry me, it's when the list contains things I don't recognize or can't pronounce.
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Post by swamp on Nov 28, 2013 18:26:38 GMT -5
It may be a function of age. I used to be able and would eat everything. I now find that processed stuff tastes welrdl. And believe me, sometimes it would be easier if I prepared a side of rice a roni for dinner.
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Post by milee on Nov 28, 2013 18:32:36 GMT -5
chips and crackers and pretzels and such. Those are tough to give up and especially if your kids are used to eating them, but they have some really nasty ingredients. From preservatives to transfats to empty calories from refined white flour, they're just, well, bad.
Not saying it's a perfect solution, but instead of any of that junk, I keep a drawer full of various nuts (peanuts, hazelnuts, pistachios, cashews, almonds) and dried fruit (cranberries, mango, coconut, blueberries) and also fresh veggies and hummus in the refrigerator. Granted, those aren't as mainstream as chips, crackers or pretzels, but the kids will eat them as snacks.
If there are chips at a party, then my kids eat them. Or if they're served at someone's house, then they join in. I'm not going to be one of the freaky moms that tries to control the entire world and I don't want to dictate my food choices to others. So some balance is fine. But there's no reason I have to buy that stuff to have around my house.
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Post by milee on Nov 28, 2013 18:34:08 GMT -5
It may be a function of age. I used to be able and would eat everything. I now find that processed stuff tastes welrdl. And believe me, sometimes it would be easier if I prepared a side of rice a roni for dinner. Fantastic. So in addition to getting those little wrinkles at the corner of my eyes, I can now look forward to major changes in taste? Great.
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Nov 28, 2013 18:46:23 GMT -5
I eat pretty much anything. I'm not keen on canned foods - except a few soups (like Chunky soup, for example). Canned veggies I avoid like the plague - mainly because they're usually soggy or rubbery, and taste like metal.
I prefer fresh or frozen.
I did buy organic eggs not long ago - and they tasted horrible (at least to me).
The grocery where I shop has a huge selection of both natural and organic foods, but the organic are pricier.
Their selection of fresh foods (fruits/veggies/meats/seafood/breads) is amazing though so I don't see the need to switch to organic.
When we were kids growing up, we had a large garden at home. It was common to pick a few peas from the vine or tomatoes, and eat them raw - or pick some carrots out of the ground, rinse them off with the garden hose and wolf them down.
Maybe that helped built up our immune systems and tolerance of foods.
I also wonder just how much of the food labeled or sold as "organic" really is - or if some of them are just being packaged that way to cash in on this latest trend for people to eat only organic.
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Post by swamp on Nov 28, 2013 18:49:32 GMT -5
It may be a function of age. I used to be able and would eat everything. I now find that processed stuff tastes welrdl. And believe me, sometimes it would be easier if I prepared a side of rice a roni for dinner. Fantastic. So in addition to getting those little wrinkles at the corner of my eyes, I can now look forward to major changes in taste? Great. That comes right after wetting yourself when you sneeze.
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Post by milee on Nov 28, 2013 18:54:15 GMT -5
When we were kids growing up, we had a large garden at home. It was common to pick a few peas from the vine or tomatoes, and eat them raw - or pick some carrots out of the ground, rinse them off with the garden hose and wolf them down.
Maybe that helped built up our immune systems and tolerance of foods.
We did the same thing. I even worked picking vegetables on a farm and believe me, there were huge amounts of pesticides and inorganic fertilizer being used. My husband grew up on a farm in England and was also exposed to large amounts of pesticide and inorganic fertilizer. It may have helped our immune systems and tolerance of foods. Or the buildup of the pesticides in our bodies may have been part of what contributed to me having two sons with ADHD. Or the pesticide levels in the parents have nothing to do with a child's chance of developing ADHD, the link occurs at age ___ when the child ingests ___ levels of pesticide when ____ is developing. Or pesticide doesn't cause ADHD at all, it's just stored more easily in a system of a person that has ADHD. No way to know...
"I also wonder just how much of the food labeled or sold as "organic" really is - or if some of them are just being packaged that way to cash in on this latest trend for people to eat only organic."
Like you, I often wonder how much of the food is accurately labeled. My guess is it's a far less than perfect system.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Nov 28, 2013 19:19:43 GMT -5
Fantastic. So in addition to getting those little wrinkles at the corner of my eyes, I can now look forward to major changes in taste? Great. That comes right after wetting yourself when you sneeze. I was told it's all the wonderful price of having children.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Nov 28, 2013 19:24:12 GMT -5
chips and crackers and pretzels and such. Those are tough to give up and especially if your kids are used to eating them, but they have some really nasty ingredients. From preservatives to transfats to empty calories from refined white flour, they're just, well, bad.
Not saying it's a perfect solution, but instead of any of that junk, I keep a drawer full of various nuts (peanuts, hazelnuts, pistachios, cashews, almonds) and dried fruit (cranberries, mango, coconut, blueberries) and also fresh veggies and hummus in the refrigerator. Granted, those aren't as mainstream as chips, crackers or pretzels, but the kids will eat them as snacks.
If there are chips at a party, then my kids eat them. Or if they're served at someone's house, then they join in. I'm not going to be one of the freaky moms that tries to control the entire world and I don't want to dictate my food choices to others. So some balance is fine. But there's no reason I have to buy that stuff to have around my house.
You know what's ironic? Not only I didn't grow up with those things (I didn't even know what they were until we came to US) I never bought them when it was just my DH and I. Not bc I was a health nut but bc it was never on my radar, not something I was used to eating. Then when kids started interacting with other kids and discovered the world of donuts and potato chips, that's something they ask for. I try to get as healthiest versions as I can, but still. They do a fairly OK job self regulating, so I can't complain too much. They do love dry fruits, though. And after I got a food dehydrator on freecycle there is really no excuse not to have more of that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2013 19:34:52 GMT -5
for me, less processed does not equal short ingredient list. I'm a good cook and I enjoy making good food. That often requires a well-stocked kitchen and multiple ingredients. That's fine with me, as long as I'm doing the cooking because I know what's in it. Good Indian, Thai and other foods often have a page long ingredient list, but the ingredients are fresh spices, onions, garlic and all sorts of other things that are good for you. A long ingredient list doesn't worry me, it's when the list contains things I don't recognize or can't pronounce. I agree that it's what's on the ingredient list, not just the quantity. I've made bread at home. The ingredients are yeast and flour and a tiny bit of salt. I look at a loaf of "fresh" bread from the grocery store bakery, read the long list of ingredients, and I laugh. No, thanks. We've got a very good supply of spices (and a Penzey's store as well as a giant Asian grocery and an Indo-Pakistani grocery nearby). We use them a lot.
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Post by Sunnyday on Nov 28, 2013 19:48:38 GMT -5
I don't eat very healthy now; actually, I do, compared to a lot of people, but I am far from a health nut. But occasionally, I will eat things that I loved as a kid or teenager and just gag now.
Strangely, while I don't go out of the way to eat very healthy. I avoid chemical products. And the smell of laundry detergent, fabric softener and other perfumes makes me gag and give me a headache. Th worst are those febreze sprays and those car air freshners, automatic headache whenever I get into contact with them.
Clean clothes should smell like nothing, not like chemical spring rain or mountain mist.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Nov 28, 2013 20:33:26 GMT -5
That comes right after wetting yourself when you sneeze. I was told it's all the wonderful price of having children. , and, there's no such thing as a healthy doughnut
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