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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Nov 25, 2013 11:35:02 GMT -5
I don't get the appeal of shopping at 8 pm on Thanksgiving. TRU for example has been running their deals since the beginning of November and the Big Book of Toys says right in the fine print it lasts up to Thursday.
We got the "hot toy of the year" Doc McStuffins Clinic for a little over $20 off last week. I doubt it's going to go so much lower that it's worth nearly being trampeled to death over in the middle of the night.
BUT I know stores are counting on people not being smart enough to pay attention to the ads both before and after this week.
DH and I were talking about the PS4. We both know that in a few months the price will bottom out of the system. It's not worth standing in -0 weather at 12 am for. They're counting on bigger gaming nerds having to have it NOW.
I find it insane how far the Black Friday propoganda is going. The level of consumerism/greed is staggering to me.
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Nov 25, 2013 11:44:01 GMT -5
I don't get the appeal of shopping at 8 pm on Thanksgiving. TRU for example has been running their deals since the beginning of November and the Big Book of Toys says right in the fine print it lasts up to Thursday. We got the "hot toy of the year" Doc McStuffins Clinic for a little over $20 off last week. I doubt it's going to go so much lower that it's worth nearly being trampeled to death over in the middle of the night. BUT I know stores are counting on people not being smart enough to pay attention to the ads both before and after this week. DH and I were talking about the PS4. We both know that in a few months the price will bottom out of the system. It's not worth standing in -0 weather at 12 am for. They're counting on bigger gaming nerds having to have it NOW. I find it insane how far the Black Friday propoganda is going. The level of consumerism/greed is staggering to me. Same here. I live in one of the richest counties in the state, but we also have some of the poorest communities in the state. You can drive from unbelievable wealth to grinding poverty in anywhere from 20 minutes to about an hour. I'm not holding one up and saying they're evil while chastising the other for not trying hard enough. It's the gap between them that's so unsettling. And that's on top of hearing parents in the stores, in tears because the toy or gadget their kid wants is sold out or otherwise unavailable. That's a memory you want years from now; you're upset because little Johnny won't get one of maybe 8 or 10 items on his list?
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Nov 25, 2013 11:51:45 GMT -5
There is usually at least one segement a year about how someone's trunk got broken into on Black Friday and now their family will have no Christmas.
The thief is to blame of course but let's think for a moment. You're spending hundreds/thousands on the most advertised shopping day of the year. Probably not a good time to be storing stuff in your car.
I don't care if anyone else shops, I don't call for a boycott. I just don't get it. All common sense/courtesy seems to fly out the window all because of "the deals!"
When in reality most of those deals have already gone on for weeks, or will be even better after Black Friday. Like the PS4 is going to be way cheaper in a few months when they are old news.
I get wanting one now, I live with a gamer, but not to the level it's been taken in the past couple of years. Nothing is worth that kind of obnoxiousness.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Nov 25, 2013 12:39:32 GMT -5
The PS4 won't come down in price before Christmas. It'll be cheaper next year, but if you want one in time for Christmas you'll be paying the full retail price. That's how all console releases have gone for a couple product generations now.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Nov 25, 2013 12:42:48 GMT -5
OK, I keep seeing people saying "greed". how is that greed to want to get an item at a good price I am not into Thanksgiving. If I needed something and knew that it was going to be on sale - why wouldn't I go and try to buy it? **For this argument I am going to ignore the fact that I HATE shopping and try to avoid it as much as possible. But some people actually like it. So, what's the problem?
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Nov 25, 2013 12:44:12 GMT -5
DH doesn't want one, he said he won't buy one till they make him by no longer releasing games on the PS3. I know it won't come down before Christmas. I just don't understand the appeal of freezing your ass off and mobbing a store in the hopes of getting one discounted. The odds of you being one of the people to get one is pretty slim. If you're hardcore you probably already have one. If you're not then, IMO, it can wait. Nothing wrong with wanting a deal. But Best Buy sold out of their name brand discounted TVs in the first HOUR. Yes I do think the marketing appeals to our sense of greed when it comes to wanting stuff and not only that wanting it at what we percieve to be the best value. Unless you were one of the very first people in line odds of you scoring that TV were pretty much zip. Meanwhile I happened along later in the day and got an even better deal on a no-name TV they had piles off because everybody was focused on the "great deal" name brand TV. If it floats your boat and you like the thrill of fighting for a limited set of discounted products more power to you. I think it's insane but it's brilliant on the part of stores to capitalize on our desire for stuff and discounted stuff even more.
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Post by giramomma on Nov 25, 2013 12:51:35 GMT -5
I don't work on thanksgiving, but I am on call Friday-Sunday. I'm not expecting the phone to ring, but who knows. Maybe lots of people will decide this weekend is the time to buy a house... Rae- We bought our current house over thanksgiving weekend. We had an accepted offer the Saturday after Thanksgiving.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2013 12:58:07 GMT -5
I am not going to tell people how to celebrate or not celebrate any Holiday, but I agree with whoever said that a Holiday loses something if things are "business as usual" on that day. That is all.
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Post by giramomma on Nov 25, 2013 13:04:22 GMT -5
Yes I do think the marketing appeals to our sense of greed when it comes to wanting stuff and not only that wanting it at what we percieve to be the best value. See, I don't agree with this. DS wants Skylanders Swap Force. Right now, it's about $70. On Thursdays, a few places will have it for under $40. Yes, I'm considering goin out if I can't get anything online. Getting it for nearly half off does not appeal to my sense of greed. We simply don't pay more than we have to for anything. That's why we shop good will for the kids clothes or take hand me downs, and why DH bikes to work and I bus it as much as we can. That's why we STILL have prepaid cell phone plans with dumb phones. This year, I broke down and bought a Wii. I had a rebate, plus a coupon, so I got it brand new for $70. Everyone gets to pick out one game, and they are getting an ornament for Christmas. That's it for family gifts. If I break it out, including santa gifts, I'm spending about $150/child. (In fact, I'm spending about 650 on Christmas, all together..) I'm really not sure how we are being greedy. Frankly, I can't afford to pay full retail value for everything we have. More power to someone who can. We don't have that kind of money. ETA: I come from a small family. I am one of three. There was really nothing more special about holidays vs other days, especially when you have a SAHP. I mean, sure, we ate fancier food, but that was it. But, we didn't do anything different over holidays, than we did over summer vacation
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Nov 25, 2013 13:12:03 GMT -5
Stores aren't opening earlier and earlier because they, out of the goodness of their hearts, want to make sure we get the best deals and stretch our money.
They're perfectly aware that with careful marketing they'll rope people into spending and probably spending more than they intend because of the illusion they're getting so much better deals this way.
I got DH a new TV on Black Friday because it benefited me to do so, it happened that the best deal was on that day.
But I wasn't going to stand in line at 12 pm on Thanksgiving in hopes that at 12 am Friday I could get a discounted Sony TV the same size. Which was a limited door buster they sold out of in the first hour. With research I can/could find a similar deal, especially with the advent of Cyber Monday.
If someone wants to do that more power to them. I'm not going to stop them or tell them they can't.
But the marketing behemoth Black Friday has become isn't because retailers are just being awesome people who want us to get good deals. I think it's insane and out of control but if you want to disagree with me that's fine.
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Post by sheilaincali on Nov 25, 2013 13:18:34 GMT -5
First- DH and I were in the military. He was "mission critical" so for our 4 years he worked every holiday. Was just a fact of life. This year he will have Thanksgiving off but is expecting to have to work on Friday- no big deal in his opinion.
Shopko has been open on Thanksgiving for years. They always had a pre-black Friday Thanksgiving sale. We'd all have a noon meal and then a group of us would head down there. They do the Black Friday thing hardcore and will be doing it this year as well. We've been going to Old Navy on Thanksgiving for at least 3 years. Michaels has always been open Thanksgiving evening.
DH, DS and I go to movies on the Holidays- It's our thing. Thanksgiving, Christmas, etc we go to the movies. We love it. We also go to our favorite Sushi Restaurant on Christmas night because they set up a big projector and play Christmas Story on repeat all night long. It's awesome.
In my extended family Black Friday Shopping is our version of bonding time. They freaking love it. This year it will be My mom, my sister, my SIL, my brother, my aunt, her daughter, my other aunt, and her daughter at a minimum. Until recently it used to be Grandma too. Many times local friends of our will meet up with us too. Just because we are shopping doesn't mean we aren't spending family time together. My son will never forget his Thanksgiving night shopping as part of 4 generations of his family. Sitting in Perkins at 3 am having breakfast with his Great Grandma, his grandma, his godmother, his aunt, and his mom laughing so hard he had tears running down his face. Now only 4 years later my grandma has Dementia that has gotten progressively worse in the past 6 months. My younger cousins wont get that experience because Great Grandma is too frail to go shopping in those crowds.
Sorry- we are part of the problem and although it means we have to eat dinner on time this year and hustle through the clean up no amount of "Don't shop on Thanksgiving" pleas is going to stop them.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Nov 25, 2013 13:24:03 GMT -5
Dh worked Thanksgiving for pretty much the entire time he was at Tyson. He got paid triple time, it was good money. Only thing that annoyed me about it was it'd leave us rushing to get to my grandma's in Treynor. Cause nobody can consider rescheduling or maybe eating at 3 pm instead of 1:30. Where do we all have to be? At least his family no longer pulls the stunt of deciding ON Thanksgiving they want to host. I had to put my foot down on it. I was already running around like a chicken with my head cut off and my grandma calls it months in advance. I wasn't doing a last minute full thanksgiving dinner on top of it. Now they do it on Black Friday. I don't think I'm the only in-law that bitched about the previous 5 years.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 25, 2013 13:29:08 GMT -5
count me in the camp that thinks holidays should be spent with family instead of out shopping. I realilze that there are critical jobs (my husband has hospitals as clients so if something goes down, he has to go) but a cashier at TRU is not critical.
Obviously I can't tell anyone what to do with their holiday, but it doesn't stop me from complaining about all of you Scrooges ruining the holidays of teh poor schmucks running the registers on Thanksgiving.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2013 14:18:47 GMT -5
I hope that being open on Thanksgiving is a flop for retailers. I will be at thanksgiving dinner, like every year. No shopping for me, though I may check online for that kindle deal at Staples.
My sister works retail and her store has traditionally been closed 2 days, Christmas and Thanksgiving. I can easilly give up 2 shopping days a year, so she can spend them with her family. I have 363 other days, plus online.
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Post by hoops902 on Nov 25, 2013 14:25:44 GMT -5
::I am more than happy to share my family's Thanksgiving with this child but it breaks my heart that instead of spending time with his own family he will be going to a house he has never been to before to spend the day with many people he will just meet and not be with his own family.::
What does he do every other day that he doesn't have school but that his mom has to work? Missing "the holiday" is only a big deal when people insist on inflating the importance that a particular date on the calendar has.
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Post by hoops902 on Nov 25, 2013 14:27:08 GMT -5
I will not be shopping on Thanksgiving or black Friday. The clerks that I have encountered were not happy about having to work Thanksgiving. I didn't get the impression that they were given any choice whether or not they worked that day, also didn't think that they were going to get holiday pay. I don't want to work on holidays, so I took a job where I didn't have to. And how do you get an impression about whether a random clerk is getting holiday pay?
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Nov 25, 2013 14:50:36 GMT -5
Unfortunately there's no way for Thanksgiving sales to flop for retailers. They run the biggest sales of the year on that day. There will be enough folks trying to stretch their holiday money, or just people that like getting a deal, that they'll shop whether they really want to or not.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 25, 2013 15:28:03 GMT -5
Unfortunately there's no way for Thanksgiving sales to flop for retailers. They run the biggest sales of the year on that day. There will be enough folks trying to stretch their holiday money, or just people that like getting a deal, that they'll shop whether they really want to or not. I'm not disagreeing with you but overall, I find it sad that people would shop on Thanksgiving. No way would I give up time with my family on a holiday to save a few bucks.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Nov 25, 2013 15:33:24 GMT -5
I am not going to tell people how to celebrate or not celebrate any Holiday, but I agree with whoever said that a Holiday loses something if things are "business as usual" on that day. That is all. It's the same with all the holidays - it's business as usual for some and holiday for others. It just happens that TG is "holiday" for more people than not, so I think some think that it should be for all.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 25, 2013 15:36:55 GMT -5
I am not going to tell people how to celebrate or not celebrate any Holiday, but I agree with whoever said that a Holiday loses something if things are "business as usual" on that day. That is all. It's the same with all the holidays - it's business as usual for some and holiday for others. It just happens that TG is "holiday" for more people than not, so I think some think that it should be for all. I'm an only child...the fucking universe revolves around ME
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Nov 25, 2013 15:37:44 GMT -5
It's the same with all the holidays - it's business as usual for some and holiday for others. It just happens that TG is "holiday" for more people than not, so I think some think that it should be for all. I'm an only child...the fucking universe revolves around ME I am pretty sure it does (depending on how many drinks you had that day)
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Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 25, 2013 15:40:34 GMT -5
I'm an only child...the fucking universe revolves around ME I am pretty sure it does (depending on how many drinks you had that day) LMAO!!!
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Nov 25, 2013 15:41:08 GMT -5
I agree. I'm still a little miffed at my sister for getting into the Black Friday thing several years ago. The whole family is there for Thanksgiving, several of us burning leave to fly in from out of state, and she would have to be in bed by 5 or 6 so she could get some sleep before getting up at midnight to go shopping. The entire rest of the family would be there socializing and catching up after the feast, while watching her kids, and she'd be asleep so she could save $20 on a video game the kids wanted or whatever.
We'd get the same game, for the same price, on Cyber Monday, and we still got to socialize with my other siblings after flying in from out of state.
The whole thing just seems so pointless. Unless you're there early enough to stand in line for hours you aren't getting the doorbuster deal anyway. The big shiny whatever the fuck on the front of the ad is listed at a great price, no doubt about it. However they probably have 6 of them, and if you're 7th in line you skipped family time for prices that are the same as they are during any other random sale, and the retailers that run really good deals on Black Friday have sales throughout most of the Christmas season.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 25, 2013 15:43:33 GMT -5
Did you just agree with me on something??
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Nov 25, 2013 15:47:14 GMT -5
It's happened before... I think...
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Post by Angel! on Nov 25, 2013 15:48:02 GMT -5
::I am more than happy to share my family's Thanksgiving with this child but it breaks my heart that instead of spending time with his own family he will be going to a house he has never been to before to spend the day with many people he will just meet and not be with his own family.:: What does he do every other day that he doesn't have school but that his mom has to work? Missing "the holiday" is only a big deal when people insist on inflating the importance that a particular date on the calendar has. I agree with this. If the family gathering is important, then it can happen on a different day. At least 75% of our holidays get shifted around just due to everyone's schedule. If mom has to work on Thursday, then do the family thanksgiving Saturday after or before. Or move it up earlier in the day. While Thursday is technically thanksgiving, the point of the holiday is to spend time with the family & that doesn't have to happen on that specific Thursday for it to be special. Realistically, this is the nature of some jobs as well. Having to work holidays/evenings/weekends & getting paid barely minimum wage are the downsides to retail.
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Post by steff on Nov 25, 2013 15:58:11 GMT -5
The PS4 won't come down in price before Christmas. It'll be cheaper next year, but if you want one in time for Christmas you'll be paying the full retail price. That's how all console releases have gone for a couple product generations now. wrong quote, but I'm being lazy.... for your Thanksgiving sign idea.... how about "show us your turkey & we'll show you ours" & anyone who can show you a pic of their family/friends/turkey day gathering, gets $1 (or something) off their total. make sure to take a pic of your turkey day gathering to share back. It's something that says you cater to families. or something like "make sure the only one not with their family on Thanksgiving is the turkey"...kinda warped in a way, but if you want a WTF, that could do it. lol or something non-controversial like "We'll see you on Black Friday when our turkey coma wears off."
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2013 16:34:43 GMT -5
"Closed for Thanksgiving, like god intended"
Maybe a small detail but Thanksgiving is not a religious holiday so it NOT like God intended. Somebody correct me if I am wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2013 16:40:26 GMT -5
I was planning on going out at 6 pm (walmart) then to the other stores on Thanksgiving day. But my friend invited me over so now I will just shift it to either later at night or the next day.
Sure I feel sorry for people who have to work on Thanksgiving and Black Friday but only because they will probably work really long hours and deal with crazy people. I don't think it is that big of a deal to HAVE to celebrate on that day, it is a shifting holiday (not the same date every day) so what is the big deal if you celebrate on saturday or a different day? If the Thanksgiving holiday is soooo important to them, they can find a job that doesn't require holiday work. I don't see how it is any different than any of us having to work on some holidays where other people are off.
ETA: When i had my side job as a casino dealer, I worked over New Year's eve. I didn't think the casino should have to close down because I wanted to spend it with certain people. I knew when I started that I would have to work NY eve just like everybody else.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Nov 25, 2013 16:42:47 GMT -5
I know that, it was an attempt to be deliberately edgy. You guys were supposed to help me come up with something catchy that might get reposted a bit on FB.
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