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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2013 16:01:40 GMT -5
Thanks for the reply Cawaiu. I don't know about the mother involved but I have another friend who works retail and they are NOT getting extra money to work that day. I'm glad that working on a holiday is voluntary at your workplace. I have no problem with that. I know when I worked retail it wasn't voluntary-well sort of if enough people volunteered it was but if not it became manditory. My children work in businesses that are open on holidays. My son gets a choice of which holiday he works-he has to work either Thanksgiving or Christmas or New Years. He does not receive additional pay. My daughter works at a business that is open 365 days per year. If the holiday falls on her regular day off she gets it off otherwise no. Not everyone gets extra holiday pay. Not everyone gets the choice to take the day off. Unless they want to risk losing their job. Since many people do have a long weekend it enables those who choose to get together the opportunity to travel to see family. If your family is in the area (within 2-3 hours) it is easier to see them whenever you want and you don't need the extra days off to see your loved ones. Sorry but what state you live/work in? I worked in both NY and MA and it is not an option: it is the LAW! Someone works on a Holiday, they get paid Holiday pay which is usually at OT rate/1.5 times. 5 cousins and my mom are nurses in NJ and it is the same for them: If it falls on their regular day they have to work it but they get Holiday Pay. So it is not the business being nice or having a heart, in those 3 states NJ, NY and MA it is the LAW. Sorry for assuming it was the same everywhere.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2013 16:07:37 GMT -5
I live in MN. The grocery store I shop at is closed on Thanksgiving but I don't know if they all are. My friend who works retail is also in MN so holiday pay is not the law here. I think if one does work on a holiday they should get extra pay. It's nice that your company does it (or that it is a state law).
I know that some people who do get holiday pay but the ones I know are union employees such as police officers and nurses. The retail folks not so much.
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Post by naturallyfrugal on Nov 24, 2013 16:58:24 GMT -5
When I worked in the hospitality industry (resort/hotel), I worked every holiday (Christmas, Thanksgiving, New Years, etc...) - do you have any sympathy for those families? We had to work while people staying with us enjoyed their holiday. I don't see a difference between hospitality and retail workers - you know, going into those industries, that holidays are part of the deal.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2013 18:30:43 GMT -5
When I worked in the hospitality industry (resort/hotel), I worked every holiday (Christmas, Thanksgiving, New Years, etc...) - do you have any sympathy for those families? We had to work while people staying with us enjoyed their holiday. I don't see a difference between hospitality and retail workers - you know, going into those industries, that holidays are part of the deal. Yes I do. My teenage son does work in the hospitality industry and has to work holidays. The difference for me at least is that in retail you didn't have to work on Thanksgiving. This is a fairly recent thing. Yes Kmart started it about 20 years ago but most of the rest didn't do this until last year or two. It is snowballing and eventually it won't be a holiday for most anymore.
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Post by Opti on Nov 24, 2013 18:46:27 GMT -5
Cawiau,
Its not the law. I've worked in a dept store in the mall on holidays, no extra pay, and have been working holidays as a receptionist for several years. No extra pay. (In fact, since my family is out of state I'm hoping to take back some hours of mine that were given a way because the scheduler wanted the number of holidays worked from Thanksgiving through New Year's to be roughly equal. My only perk is a free meal if I work during lunch.)
I think its convention in some places, but if it was a law it hasn't been for more than a decade here in NJ.
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Post by Opti on Nov 24, 2013 18:51:43 GMT -5
Actually you know what our perk at the sub-acute is - not being fired. (Not kidding) The new receptionist canceled hosting Christmas dinner over it. Wish we had talked first because that should have been a normal work day for me. (Hoping she'll decide to let me work those hours. )
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2013 20:07:05 GMT -5
As I said on another thread, I won't be shopping on Thanksgiving Day. I know my little personal boycott doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme of things, but I feel for people that would rather be with their families but HAVE to work Thanksgiving Day, just so people can shop. So many things that use to be special, aren't any more. I have to accept that, but I don't have to like it.
FWIW, I have to work this Thanksgiving for the first time in years. If my children were still young and having to work meant I'd miss the family gathering altogether, I'd be one sad lady.
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Post by alabamagal on Nov 24, 2013 20:59:17 GMT -5
Well I've always worked in manufacturing. It is 24/7 365 days a year. If you are scheduled to work a holiday, you work a holiday. My previous employer had a VERY generous holiday policy, so if you worked the holiday, you were paid 3x your normal rate of pay. Some years when management would try to do a "slowdown" for the holiday and only require 1/3 to 1/2 the normal employees and would cause more grumbling and strife than anything else.
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Post by raeoflyte on Nov 24, 2013 21:04:14 GMT -5
I had a 2nd job at a movie theater for a while, and the one and only interview question was can you work holidays? (And that meant every single holiday all year round, no holiday pay). I never would have guessed how busy a theater could be... But as a teen I always met up with my friends after family get togethers at Denny's.
I used to work a call center for dish network that was 24/7. It just is what it is and Dh still works a lot of holidays.
On one hand, I do think its nice for people to have a day off for holidays, but on the other its just another day. I get together with my family every week. Thanksgiving just comes with better food and more wine.
I don't like overt consumerism, but I fight that by just not shopping much. I buy 2nd hand whenever possible, avoid ads that make me want to buy extra crap, and I'd like to shop more locally, although except for a couple shops I'm mostly failing on that.
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Post by Happy prose on Nov 24, 2013 21:07:01 GMT -5
Thanks for the reply Cawaiu. I don't know about the mother involved but I have another friend who works retail and they are NOT getting extra money to work that day. I'm glad that working on a holiday is voluntary at your workplace. I have no problem with that. I know when I worked retail it wasn't voluntary-well sort of if enough people volunteered it was but if not it became manditory. My children work in businesses that are open on holidays. My son gets a choice of which holiday he works-he has to work either Thanksgiving or Christmas or New Years. He does not receive additional pay. My daughter works at a business that is open 365 days per year. If the holiday falls on her regular day off she gets it off otherwise no. Not everyone gets extra holiday pay. Not everyone gets the choice to take the day off. Unless they want to risk losing their job. Since many people do have a long weekend it enables those who choose to get together the opportunity to travel to see family. If your family is in the area (within 2-3 hours) it is easier to see them whenever you want and you don't need the extra days off to see your loved ones. Sorry but what state you live/work in? I worked in both NY and MA and it is not an option: it is the LAW! Someone works on a Holiday, they get paid Holiday pay which is usually at OT rate/1.5 times. 5 cousins and my mom are nurses in NJ and it is the same for them: If it falls on their regular day they have to work it but they get Holiday Pay. So it is not the business being nice or having a heart, in those 3 states NJ, NY and MA it is the LAW. Sorry for assuming it was the same everywhere.
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Post by Happy prose on Nov 24, 2013 21:09:03 GMT -5
Cawiau..I'm in NJ. My daughter is a social worker, has to work thanksgiving, no OT pay. I don't think it's a law.
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Post by bean29 on Nov 24, 2013 21:34:54 GMT -5
I was in the retail industry for years. I hated rushing through Thanksgiving dinner, because I had to get SOME sleep before getting up way early to work Black Friday. So much for family time. There is only so much money I will spend at Christmas. (There is only so much money the rest of the world spends at Christmas.) Being open at Midnight on Black Friday, or 8pm on Thanksgiving, is NOT going to influence me to spend more money. Once the retail industry gets a clue that even being open 24 hours a day, 7 days a week won't be bringing them in additional money, then MAYBE they'll start scaling back hours. The problem is, the "common sense" people don't appear to be in charge of the industry. I'm not shopping Thanksgiving Day, or Black Friday. If I feel the urge to shop, all I need to do is fire up my computer. I'm spending my time with my family. I pretty much agree with busymom. Thanksgiving has always been a day to relax and enjoy with friends and family. We often are missing a few family members because they work in Medical roles or they have other conflicts. I don't think stores need to be open longer hours or that getting me in their door first will give them more of my shopping $$. DS wants a new playstation. Apparently i can expect to be lucky to find one and forget discounts. DD ? I don't know. DH is hard to by
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Nov 24, 2013 21:44:52 GMT -5
I've had to work on Thanksgiving day (as well as Christmas), but it was not retail. It was telecommunications and people (rightly, imo) expect their phones to work 24x7.
I will not support store who choose to be open Thanksgiving Day. In the first place, I don't like shopping all that much anyway. i pretty much avoid shopping on Black Friday.
Greed. Shopping on T-Day supports greed, imo. If you have family and friends to enjoy the day with, why on earth would you go shopping anyway?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2013 21:47:18 GMT -5
I wasn't going to shop on Thanksgiving, but after reading this thread I'm going to hit at least 10 stores.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Nov 24, 2013 21:50:54 GMT -5
We're trying to come up with something catchy to put on the sign in front of our store about being closed on Thanksgiving. I was thinking, Closed for Thanksgiving, like god intended! I want something I can take a picture of to put on FB and see if I can get it to go slightly viral. I could go long winded and put something like, "Family owned business that closed on Thanksgiving so we can spend time together, but feel free to patronize a big box store that's exploiting workers at this very minute to bring you low prices and instant gratification if you can't wait for our sale tomorrow."
They're both OK, but not great. Help me out here. I need something really good. I've seen stores post signs that said "We'll be closed on Thanksgiving so our employees can be with their families". I liked that. Honest and simple and who doesn't support the idea of employees being with their families in Otha ksgiving Day?
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Nov 24, 2013 21:51:58 GMT -5
We're trying to come up with something catchy to put on the sign in front of our store about being closed on Thanksgiving. I was thinking, Closed for Thanksgiving, like god intended! I want something I can take a picture of to put on FB and see if I can get it to go slightly viral. I could go long winded and put something like, "Family owned business that closed on Thanksgiving so we can spend time together, but feel free to patronize a big box store that's exploiting workers at this very minute to bring you low prices and instant gratification if you can't wait for our sale tomorrow."
They're both OK, but not great. Help me out here. I need something really good. I've seen stores post signs that said "We'll be closed on Thanksgiving so our employees can be with their families". I liked that. Honest and simple and who doesn't support the idea of employees being with their families in Otha ksgiving Day? Have a grewt time, MMC. Try not to get trampled by the rest of the herd...
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Post by Sharon on Nov 24, 2013 22:18:37 GMT -5
I will not be shopping on Thanksgiving or black Friday. The clerks that I have encountered were not happy about having to work Thanksgiving. I didn't get the impression that they were given any choice whether or not they worked that day, also didn't think that they were going to get holiday pay.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2013 22:59:00 GMT -5
When I worked in the hospitality industry (resort/hotel), I worked every holiday (Christmas, Thanksgiving, New Years, etc...) - do you have any sympathy for those families? We had to work while people staying with us enjoyed their holiday. I don't see a difference between hospitality and retail workers - you know, going into those industries, that holidays are part of the deal. Yes I do. My teenage son does work in the hospitality industry and has to work holidays. The difference for me at least is that in retail you didn't have to work on Thanksgiving. This is a fairly recent thing. Yes Kmart started it about 20 years ago but most of the rest didn't do this until last year or two. It is snowballing and eventually it won't be a holiday for most anymore. the Point is... the Holiday is what you manage to make of it. Life goes one, even if you miss one annual feast... or all of them. That's life. If you don't have to work on Thanksgiving Day, be extra Thankful. It's something you shouldn't take for granted. If you do have to work on Thanksgiving Day (and I have done so many times) you just do it. You do your job as if it were any other day. Whining and moping won't improve anything. Thinking back over the years, we've often fixed up a plate or two of turkey and such for people we know that couldn't attend (for whatever reason) and have brought it over to them. And there were many times I was thankful to have that same plateful saved for me, as well.
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Post by busymom on Nov 24, 2013 23:00:15 GMT -5
Our local network said on the news that 1/4 of shoppers will be going out to shop on Thanksgiving/Black Friday. Sooo, that means 3/4 of shoppers are planning to avoid the chaos. That means I'm participating (or not) with the majority!
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Post by quince on Nov 24, 2013 23:02:05 GMT -5
I won't be shopping Thanksgiving weekend because I hate crowds. If a lot of people boycott, though, I could go shopping, because less crowds! WinWinWin!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2013 23:02:11 GMT -5
That being said... I will NOT be doing any shopping on Thanksgiving Day.
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Post by Jaguar on Nov 24, 2013 23:07:23 GMT -5
I celebrate all year long, any excuse to be with family and friends I don't care. My birthday is in May and me and my GF celebrate it in Nov., that works for me. I used to celebrate Christmas up until Jan. 31, cause I have a huge family and getting everyone together is kinda hard.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Nov 24, 2013 23:35:25 GMT -5
I can kind of, sort of see both sides of this.
One side is the kids - they really don't have a say in what their parents do for work and whether they can be there for holidays. So, that sucks
The other side - if you want to spend time with your family there are 365 days a year. Pick a day. any day. While I appreciate the idea behind some holidays, I think holidays should not be the main reason for you to spend time with your family.
Also, for some reason, I just can't get behind the "boycotting" idea most of the time. It just seems that every other day some group of people tries to boycott some business or other. I don't know....just can't take it seriously
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Post by mmhmm on Nov 24, 2013 23:41:44 GMT -5
The quote is from cawiau's post for the law in MA. The bolding is mine. The key is nonexempt. Nonexempt employees must be paid holiday pay. It's not required for exempt employees.
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Post by Happy prose on Nov 25, 2013 5:31:13 GMT -5
That quote also doesn't state Thanksgiving.
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Post by happyscooter on Nov 25, 2013 8:33:08 GMT -5
GG, I was thinking you were in the same business I was in. I worked Thanksgiving and Christmas Eve and Christmas Day. Nope, I wasn't asked. That's how they scheduled me. And I didn't say anything. I needed my job. A few years later I worked in the medical field where we got Thanksgiving Day and Christmas Day off. We closed 'early' on Christmas Eve if we didn't have any patients. Well, people who didn't celebrate Christmas, atheists, Jewish people, people who had already celebrated, people who were going out of town-would call us for an appt. You know, 'I have been sick all week and I am leaving for vacation today at 5:00 and I need a penicillin shot.' So closing early was really closing at 4:00 after working through lunch and you couldn't run out for last minute stocking stuffers, food you needed for the next day, fill up your car with gas, go to the ATM, etc...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2013 8:56:22 GMT -5
I really appreciate all the people who keep the world running on holidays- air;ine employees, gas station attendants, convenience store workers, the medical profession, etc. And don't forget clergy and church musicians who fall asleep over Christmas dinner after working 5 services in 3 days.. When I do business with someone on a holiday I try to remember to tell them I appreciate it.
OTOH, opening the big box stores on Thanksgiving just so they can grab a bigger portion of the consumers' holiday dollars is greed. I will not be shopping Thanksgiving or Black Friday unless it's something minor I need to pick up at the grocery store that can't wait for a day (and they close at 2PM on Thanksgiving).
I'll be spending Thursday and Friday being thankful with DH, going through the investments to see if anything needs to be tweaked, and starting on the 20 or so individual letters I send out with Christmas cards. The letters are a favorite part of my Christmas tradition.
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Post by raeoflyte on Nov 25, 2013 9:33:40 GMT -5
I don't work on thanksgiving, but I am on call Friday-Sunday. I'm not expecting the phone to ring, but who knows. Maybe lots of people will decide this weekend is the time to buy a house...
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Nov 25, 2013 11:18:06 GMT -5
I will not be shopping on Thanksgiving or black Friday. The clerks that I have encountered were not happy about having to work Thanksgiving. I didn't get the impression that they were given any choice whether or not they worked that day, also didn't think that they were going to get holiday pay. Same here. Holiday pay not the law of the land in this state, either. Many stores are trying to make it up to the employees who will work, such as offering them discounts, bringing in dinners, etc. I realize that for some folks living on the financial edge, working that day, with or without the extra pay, is just doing what they have to do. I did it for years while working in law enforcement and in the news media; no choice was given. You were scheduled, you worked. I hope that Cyanne's young guest is loved and wanted by his mom, regardless of her work schedule. And I am glad that he has another place to go for the day, while she works. Years from now, he will not likely recall celebrating the holiday in a "different" way. He will remember getting love, security and a feeling of belonging to a family, be it his own or another.
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