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Post by thyme4change on Nov 21, 2013 19:32:11 GMT -5
Yes - but their job in football is to be a brick wall. They generally do that through massive amounts of muscle. Their sole purpose is to stand there and block the other guy. They don't need to run fast. But if those baseball players lost 50 pounds and got down to just obese, they would most likely be better at their sport, not worse.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Nov 21, 2013 19:33:24 GMT -5
I did neither, and turned out okay by most standards. I don't think it really matters one way or the other. I doubt doing ballet or not will make or break him going pro. Likewise, I doubt doing music will make him a child prodigy in math. Personally, I'd let him choose what he wants to do. The problem is that my Dh told him repeatedly that ballet was the answer, and as sons tend to do, my kid believed him. Now he is saying that he should do ballet so he can play soccer better. My husband worked him to be anti-musical instrument. That is unfortunate, but I don't know what to do about that. It sounds like if your son is serious about soccer in the first place, he'd be better off going to a regular school with a actual soccer program.
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 21, 2013 19:35:23 GMT -5
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Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 21, 2013 19:57:56 GMT -5
Band nerds are weird anyway. Your husband did you a favor. Because boy ballerinas aren't considered nerdy? Im honking back to my high school days. I wouldn't put the kid in a band or ballet! Are you trying to get him daily atomic wedgies?
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Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 21, 2013 21:03:53 GMT -5
Because boy ballerinas aren't considered nerdy? Im honking back to my high school days. I wouldn't put the kid in a band or ballet! Are you trying to get him daily atomic wedgies? No... Boy ballerinas are considered gay. Exactly...and they get beat up even more than the band geeks. Am I the only one that went to high school? At least make him take something like karate so he can kick the ass of the guy giving him the atomic wedgie!
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Post by giramomma on Nov 21, 2013 21:17:54 GMT -5
Yes - but their job in football is to be a brick wall. They generally do that through massive amounts of muscle. Their sole purpose is to stand there and block the other guy. They don't need to run fast. But if those baseball players lost 50 pounds and got down to just obese, they would most likely be better at their sport, not worse. Have you followed Fielder much? I haven't since he went to Detroit. But we did watch him hit his 200th home run while he was in Milwaukee. Fielder was hitting home runs in major league baseball parks at age 12. So, yeah, OK he needs to better Babe Ruth wasn't exactly svelt, either....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2013 21:18:56 GMT -5
I don't think the performance high school has the same cliques?
Besides, we come post-glee, ya know...
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 21, 2013 22:02:33 GMT -5
From what I hear - if you are straight and a ballerino, you basically have your pick of any of the ballerinas. To be a good ballerino, your body has to be awesome, and you have to be really strong, and you have physical contact with women who spend most of their times with girls they are competing against and gay guys. They might get made fun of by the jocks - but they likely get more action.
I didn't say he was a bad hitter - I said he was obese. I don't know how fast he runs to 1st, as I'm guessing his home runs are mostly "out of the park" - but I would bet $100 that he would run faster if he got under 250 pounds. He is a professional athlete - the least he can do is put down the doughnut.
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Post by teen persuasion on Nov 22, 2013 18:39:58 GMT -5
Besides, we come post-glee, ya know... Yeah, HS is completely different now, at least at my kids' school. Most of the kids in Captains' Club are also rocking pink tassels at graduation. Multiple pink tassels! Senior pranks revolve around flash mobs at the 4 corners or strolling string quartets in the halls. The achievers do both music and sports.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2013 19:02:34 GMT -5
Pretty much. Think of all the implications... for shoes...
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Post by Cookies Galore on Nov 22, 2013 19:04:27 GMT -5
Male ballet dancers are strong as fuck and in great shape! I'll take 'em!
And I agree about soccer players - you need amazing endurance fitness. I think all my athlete crushes are soccer players.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 22, 2013 19:05:58 GMT -5
Yeah, HS is completely different now, at least at my kids' school. Most of the kids in Captains' Club are also rocking pink tassels at graduation. Multiple pink tassels! Senior pranks revolve around flash mobs at the 4 corners or strolling string quartets in the halls. The achievers do both music and sports. So what you're saying is that Glee has totally gayed-up this upcoming generation... Damn young-uns ruining everything!
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Post by teen persuasion on Nov 22, 2013 21:59:16 GMT -5
I think it's more that Glee reflects the kids in HS now - they didn't watch Glee and emulate it. If anything, the kids I know are a lot more accepting of all sorts of alternatives, and want to try a little bit of everything.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Nov 23, 2013 15:40:15 GMT -5
So they're all going through their lesbian phase in high school instead of college now? Interesting.
I guess it was bound to happen. They're hitting puberty earlier. Already going through the angsty teen years as tweens. We should have seen the college experimentation drifting down to high school coming.
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Post by teen persuasion on Nov 23, 2013 16:04:49 GMT -5
Dark, apparently it's a freshman year thing.
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Post by spartan7886 on Nov 23, 2013 17:24:51 GMT -5
That's one of TWO inside the park home runs Prince Fielder has. I'm still not entirely sure how, but he does.
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Post by violagirl on Nov 24, 2013 14:31:08 GMT -5
I thought there was a study done showing musicians have more grey matter than non-musicians? Professional musicians have more than amateur musicians who have more than non musicians.
A lot of teamwork involved in playing with others, and while I have never experienced the runner's high, there is nothing that can compare to being in the middle of an orchestra and hearing everyone's different parts coming in and blending all together to form one harmonious whole. That was spiritually transcendental.
Then there is the analysis required in music. This is more in line with learning music theory, but you learn to analyze music, take it down into smaller parts, see how it fits together. See how the composer has their own unique style - kind of like analyzing poetry. This skill transfers to many different areas in life.
Reading music also helps in reading skills in general, to me it is a very similar concept. First you read note by note, then by short phrases, then entire sentences getting more and more complex.
Of course there are the math concepts in music, that when started at an early age, become internalized. A small child can be taught fractions fairly easily.
Other benefits of learning an instrument - perseverance. It takes a LOT of hours to get to be good at an instrument. To take apart one phrase and play it forward and backward and then play scales and hone fine motor skills, takes a certain stubbornness and resilience.
Then there is the emotional element to music. We can focus so much on achievement and on math and science and forget the ability to shut off the brain and let things flow. No wonder everyone is so tense now. And that is something you can practice your entire life.
Certainly, some people are more predisposed toward music than others. I believe there is a genetic component but everyone should be given the chance to try.
Personally, playing the piano helped me through my angst ridden teen years. lol..You could always tell what mood I was in when I was playing the 2nd movement of Moonlight Sonata like it was the 3rd (which in my opinion is the best part of that Sonata).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2013 14:45:40 GMT -5
Very thoughtful and well reasoned opinions, violagirl. Thanks!
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 24, 2013 15:52:33 GMT -5
I don't know what this is. But, yes, "gay" is super in right now. There has to be a gay character on every TV show and you have to show how open you by being over the top supportive of their every move. I think a token gay character is pushing out the token black guy. So, in high school, you can't beat up the gay kids anymore. That would mean you are like your grandparents. Totally unacceptable.
BTW
We went to a performance at my daughter's school - which is the performing arts school - no sports, only band, orchestra and ballet and guess what - they STILL made fun of the band. What the hell? What...the...hell? Even orchestra outranks band now? How can that possibly be?
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Post by teen persuasion on Nov 24, 2013 21:57:33 GMT -5
Captains' Club = all the captains of the various sports teams.
Pink tassels at graduation = Music Honors = 4 years in the same ensemble + Music Theory + 95% in a level VI solo.
Multiple pink tassels means 4 years each in more than one ensemble + MT+ 95% in multiple solos (one for each ensemble). Lots of quick changes on concert night - band wears tux shirts & cumberbunds, orchestra wears ninja black, orchestra wears something jazzy & colorful.
Band makes fun of orchestra, orchestra makes fun of band, both make fun of chorus. Even w/in an ensemble they make fun of certain instruments (like viola = lazy). It seems to be all in good fun.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Nov 24, 2013 23:35:04 GMT -5
Male ballet dancers are strong as fuck and in great shape! I'll take 'em! We went to "The Nutcracker" last night. The male principal dancer had insane leg muscles. eugeneballet.org/bio-anzai.html
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 25, 2013 8:07:46 GMT -5
Captains' Club = all the captains of the various sports teams. Pink tassels at graduation = Music Honors = 4 years in the same ensemble + Music Theory + 95% in a level VI solo. Multiple pink tassels means 4 years each in more than one ensemble + MT+ 95% in multiple solos (one for each ensemble). Lots of quick changes on concert night - band wears tux shirts & cumberbunds, orchestra wears ninja black, orchestra wears something jazzy & colorful. Band makes fun of orchestra, orchestra makes fun of band, both make fun of chorus. Even w/in an ensemble they make fun of certain instruments (like viola = lazy). It seems to be all in good fun. I have never heard of any of this - maybe it is regional? Anyone else have this as a thing?
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Post by teen persuasion on Nov 25, 2013 8:26:56 GMT -5
Thyme, how old are your kids? I never heard of it before my kids hit HS, but then again I went to a private all girls HS in the city in another county. Now we live in the boonies. Our CSD REALLY loves its music program, so they are almost all music nerds of some type.
I think that access to the internet is what is breaking down stigmas. The kids are not just exposed to the kids they see everyday at HS, they can search for and interact w/ people interested in all sorts of things. When they see that there are thousands of people interested in obscure things they might enjoy, they don't feel so strange/different/outcast. It seems to make them more curious about all sorts of fields of interest. Like the "viola = lazy" thing; DS2 plays viola, and he was the one who explained it to me: certain personalities take to certain instruments. First violinists always want to be recognized as first/best. Violas don't care that much; they are happy playing a supporting role, and glad they won't ever get a solo, hence the "lazy" label. There is a whole series of jokes about violas, and he'll search them out on the internet, just for kicks. It doesn't matter that they are about "him", he thinks they are hilarious.
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 25, 2013 8:38:41 GMT -5
I've been to 6 high school graduations in the past 8 years - I didn't see a single pink tassels. Granted, 3 of those were for one high school, so I concede those three count as one. I have also seen a dozen or so pictures of kids in their gown and mortar board on facebook and I didn't see any pink tassels on any of those either, but I have seen hundreds of pictures of those same kids playing the cello, playing the trumpet, etc. Given that I was in band for many years, a lot of my friends are musical and raising kids who are musical. Given that some of those people are scattered across the country (Colorado, Florida, Indiana, Texas) I'm guessing this pink tassel thing isn't a broad, national given for musical performers
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Post by teen persuasion on Nov 25, 2013 8:52:50 GMT -5
Maybe it is a quirk of our district. I'm not used to multiple tassels elsewhere either. I was surprised that there were up to 4 tassels last year: purple & white (school colors), pink (MH), gold (NHS), and teal (for a classmate who had died of a rare cancer; teal was the color for that cancer's research). Their mortar boards were seriously tilting.
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Post by swamp on Nov 25, 2013 8:55:32 GMT -5
I've never seen the multicolor tassels in NYS either.
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Post by giramomma on Nov 25, 2013 9:28:50 GMT -5
First violinists always want to be recognized as first/best. Violas don't care that much; they are happy playing a supporting role, and glad they won't ever get a solo, hence the "lazy" label. There is a whole series of jokes about violas, and he'll search them out on the internet, just for kicks. It doesn't matter that they are about "him", he thinks they are hilarious. Actually, I went to a HS with a strong orchestra program. Most string programs rotate first and second violins now. When I was in HS, rotating wasn't done as much pedagogically. It wasn't so much that the kids sitting in the first section wanted to be labeled, as much as the girls in the second violins didn't want to clip their nails to be able to play their instrument properly or even hold their violins up. You can't put all the weakest players in the first violin section.... Also, now more and more contemporary composers are writing early level orchestral pieces that have solos for the viola section. My BF in HS played viola (she switched from violin), and wasn't always happy about playing Mozart as a violists. ETA: We didn't have pink tassels, but we had pink chords for orchestra during graduation. I think I had like 3-4 chords that I wore for graduation.
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Post by violagirl on Nov 25, 2013 11:42:10 GMT -5
certain personalities take to certain instruments. First violinists always want to be recognized as first/best. Violas don't care that much; they are happy playing a supporting role, and glad they won't ever get a solo, hence the "lazy" label. He is right, I am quite happy to be a violist and play the supporting roll. I do not like the spotlight. I like the violin but I LOVE that low C string. Anyone who says violists are lazy has never held up a full size viola for a couple of hours.
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Post by teen persuasion on Nov 25, 2013 15:11:47 GMT -5
Anyone who says violists are lazy has never held up a full size viola for a couple of hours. That's the joke of it - DS2 does nothing by halves. He also plays upright bass (large and unwieldy), electric bass (heavy + heavy amps), tuba (large) and trombone. Tuba solos are almost unheard of, but one concert he and another tuba player were competing to get the solo, the scarecrow's theme from the Wizard of Oz. DS2 got it, but then was sick concert night and stayed home. The other tuba player still retells the story of the day he got to do the solo.
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