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Post by Bob Ross on Nov 15, 2013 17:05:54 GMT -5
You know what they need to bring back? Zeppelins.
Tell me I'm wrong. Didn't think so.
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Phoenix84
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Post by Phoenix84 on Nov 15, 2013 17:08:06 GMT -5
You work for the government right? I haven't heard of such a high per diem for food in most corporations unless of course you make really big sales or are high in management. People complain about food stamps and here you , a federal government worker, could spend someone's monthly allotment in under two days. I realize my info is old but not too long ago corporations would have down-sized you to under what you might need. More like $20 a day. What can I say? It's the rules we go by. We also have a per diem limit for hotels. But it can be hard to find a place that's under per diem if you're in an expensive area, like I am right now in the San Fransisco Bay area.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Nov 15, 2013 17:12:26 GMT -5
Hmmm, you can go through the employee line with your CAC card? I might have to try that next time. I always figured if you were a government employee traveling on orders, you should be able to bypass security, or at least receive less scruteny at security.
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Phoenix84
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Post by Phoenix84 on Nov 15, 2013 17:22:09 GMT -5
I check in online and get to the airport 90 minutes before my flight. Sometimes I might breeze right through and end up sitting in the airport for an hour and other days it is packed and takes me a full hour to get through security. I do understand you being upset because you probably COULD have made your flight but you really do need to make an effort to get their earlier. If I were your supervisor I would not be happy that you missed the flight. I wouldn't be unhappy with the airport but rather at you for not doing your due diligence in getting to the airport in a timely manner. It is pretty standard these days that you need to be there 1.5 hrs early. Eh, my boss doesn't know. And I doubt she'd care as long as I get there and do my job, and as long as it doesn't cost them money of course. Which it didn't.
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Post by whoami on Nov 15, 2013 17:35:14 GMT -5
Hmmm, you can go through the employee line with your CAC card? I might have to try that next time. I always figured if you were a government employee traveling on orders, you should be able to bypass security, or at least receive less scruteny at security. My husband is a pilot and has to go through security. What difference does it make if you are a govt employee? The nut that shot up Ft Hood was an Army officer and a doctor.
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Post by hoops902 on Nov 15, 2013 17:40:32 GMT -5
I usually just tell them that if they don't let me go to my flight I'm going to "BLOW THIS WHOLE FUCKING AIRPORT UP"...try that next time and let us know how it works.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Nov 15, 2013 17:41:59 GMT -5
Hmmm, you can go through the employee line with your CAC card? I might have to try that next time. I always figured if you were a government employee traveling on orders, you should be able to bypass security, or at least receive less scruteny at security. My husband is a pilot and has to go through security. What difference does it make if you are a govt employee? The nut that shot up Ft Hood was an Army officer and a doctor. Maybe not skip it entirely. But I'll have to see if going through the employee line is a possibility. Presumably it would be faster, if for no other reason than there's fewer employees than regular travelers.
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Post by violagirl on Nov 15, 2013 20:57:53 GMT -5
What are people eating if they think $60 per day is a lot?? I complain that it isn't enough!
i suppose I could buy a loaf of bread and peanut butter and eat that all week, but I am not going to eat worse when working than I do at home.
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Post by movingforward on Nov 15, 2013 21:16:43 GMT -5
What are people eating if they think $60 per day is a lot?? I complain that it isn't enough! i suppose I could buy a loaf of bread and peanut butter and eat that all week, but I am not going to eat worse when working than I do at home. For real? I travel a lot for work and rarely spend $60 a day and this even includes ordering room service from time to time. I work for a private organization and we do not have a limited amount to spend but $60 a day seems very reasonable to me. I will say I am not a big breakfast eater so don't spend much on that meal.
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Post by Anne_in_VA on Nov 15, 2013 21:27:00 GMT -5
I travel some for work and we use the gov't per diem's when we file our expense reports. That said, I've gone over the meal amounts at times but they were always approved. We even get to add in a drink or glass of wine if we want one.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2013 21:30:29 GMT -5
I usually just tell them that if they don't let me go to my flight I'm going to "BLOW THIS WHOLE FUCKING AIRPORT UP"...try that next time and let us know how it works. I take it you're writing this from a jail cell?
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Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 15, 2013 21:53:26 GMT -5
What are people eating if they think $60 per day is a lot?? I complain that it isn't enough! i suppose I could buy a loaf of bread and peanut butter and eat that all week, but I am not going to eat worse when working than I do at home. For real? I travel a lot for work and rarely spend $60 a day and this even includes ordering room service from time to time. I work for a private organization and we do not have a limited amount to spend but $60 a day seems very reasonable to me. I will say I am not a big breakfast eater so don't spend much on that meal. I spend more than that just on dinner when I'm in brazil. Sometimes a lot more. Rio is just very expensive and I am not venturing around to find a cheap place. I eat at the same few restaurants. Same thing when I head to the city where our warehouse is located. I'm only eating at the hotels located on the strip by the hotel. Considering the hotel is on the beach, we aren't talking cheap restaurants. And I have alcohol with my dinner. Luckily I don't get a per diem. I submit an expense report and everything is covered.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Nov 15, 2013 23:56:18 GMT -5
I usually don't eat breakfast on travel (or anytime really). I will sometimes eat the continental breakfast if the hotel offers it. it's free (or otherwise included in the cost of your hotel bill.) Lunch usually consists of a sandwhich or other type of standard lunch fare. It's usually $10-$15. Dinner is usually $20-$30. I usually do get a soda, but no appetizers or alcohol. I may or may not get deseart. Usually not, but I will on occasion.
I don't like eating three times a day. I don't know how you can keep your weight down eating three large meals a day.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Nov 15, 2013 23:59:41 GMT -5
*Sighs* figures.
I guess I'm the only one who thinks this policy is totally bizzare and unnecessary. Well, I can tell you one thing. I won't forget this. Frontier Airlines is now blacklisted by me. I will never fly them again unless there is absolutely no other options. Penny wise and pound foolish. They just lost a customer. Which is too bad, because I travel a lot.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Nov 16, 2013 0:20:29 GMT -5
No, I am not joking. They've shown they don't value their customers, so I won't use them again if I have any say over it. I've arrived with less than 45 minutes before, and this is the first time it's been an issue. The only thing that's happened before is they let you know that if you check in less than 45 minutes before departure, your bag may not make it. But they still let you board.
And I wasn't 10 minutes early, I was 44 minutes early. As I said, I was at my original gate on time, despite all the delays they took in rebooking me. So I would have clearly been on time, if it were not for their arbitrary policy.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Nov 16, 2013 0:55:34 GMT -5
Ok. Well by all means, you travel on your own time frame. Just don't be shocked when this happens again. And it will. I've been doing air travel for more than a decade. I've taken dozens of flights. This is the first time it's ever happened. So we'll see.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2013 1:12:38 GMT -5
I don't like eating three times a day. I don't know how you can keep your weight down eating three large meals a day. $60 per diem would be plenty for me, even in some of the more expensive cities. Breakfast: coffee and oatmeal is fine, maybe a banana with that. I can even make oatmeal in my room with hot water from the coffee maker. Lunch: a sandwich or salad from Starbucks or something similar. Dinner: some nights a decent restaurant, but I may order a couple of appetizers instead of an appetizer, main course and dessert. No dessert but a glass or two of wine. Other nights I'll find a local grocery, pick up a sandwich or pasta salad, and have a peaceful dinner in the room. I used to stay in a hotel in White Plains a lot that had a great hot foods and salad bar at a Whole Foods around the corner. I'm not trying to be cheap, and I've submitted accounts for expensive dinners when they happen (say, out with a group at a good place in London for dinner) with no problem. I just don't eat sumptuous meals 3 X a day when I'm home and don't eat like that on the road, either.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 16, 2013 9:38:46 GMT -5
Ok. Well by all means, you travel on your own time frame. Just don't be shocked when this happens again. And it will. I've been doing air travel for more than a decade. I've taken dozens of flights. This is the first time it's ever happened. So we'll see. I flown a dozen times just in the last year, most of it internationally. Sorry, but when you fly as much as we do, you know and understand the policy. Doesn't matter if you agree or not, the airlines are upfront with the check-in time. I can get away with showin up 30 minutes before my flight at my local airport (small regional) but would never consider it at one if the bigger airports. Sometimes it takes 30 just to get through security.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 16, 2013 9:41:33 GMT -5
I've been doing air travel for more than a decade. I've taken dozens of flights. This is the first time it's ever happened. So we'll see. I flown a dozen times just in the last year, most of it internationally. Sorry, but when you fly as much as we do, you know and understand the policy. Doesn't matter if you agree or not, the airlines are upfront with the check-in time. I can get away with showin up 30 minutes before my flight at my local airport (small regional) but would never consider it at one if the bigger airports. Sometimes it takes 30 just to get through security. Now that I hi about it, that is a dozen trips...so I've probably been on more than 30 different flights in the last year.
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 16, 2013 9:49:12 GMT -5
It's possible the flight was overbooked and there were passengers on standby who had paid a higher fare than the thread author's employer.
The price/cost of an airline ticket talks.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2013 9:49:46 GMT -5
I hate flying and may never do it again. The cost of tickets, the long security lines, the hassle of getting through security, the early check-in times, the delays, the waiting, getting bumped, the seats getting smaller and smaller, the lack of a pillow and free meals...You can have it!
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Post by whoami on Nov 16, 2013 11:44:46 GMT -5
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Post by whoami on Nov 16, 2013 11:46:39 GMT -5
It's possible the flight was overbooked and there were passengers on standby who had paid a higher fare than the thread author's employer. The price/cost of an airline ticket talks. LOL...that has absolutely nothing to do with anything. You have no idea how standby works at all. Overbooked is entirely different...and both are dealt with at the gate and have nothing to do with the ticket counter.
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Post by whoami on Nov 16, 2013 12:00:39 GMT -5
You're joking, right? You'll blacklist one airline for an industry standard? When I travel, especially for work, it's incredibly important to me that my flight is on time. So much so that I'll show up even more than an hour ahead of time. If every schmo thinks they can show up 10 minutes before departure, the flight is either a) going to be delayed, or b) your ass is going to miss your flight and maybe you'll get on the next flight, but only if the next schmo checks in too late to get his seat. That's completely up to you. I was in Vegas a couple weeks ago and sitting close enough to the gate agent to hear the conversations going on at the counter. One couple raced up 3 minutes before departure and demanded to be allowed on the airplane. There is a big sign right on the gate that says 10 minutes or you lose your seat. They wanted to know why the gate agent had not personally come looking for them even though she had paged them numerous times (which I definitely heard). The second couple came 25 minutes *after the flight had left and pitched a fit about how they were just "over there" and blah blah blah. The common factor with both couples was it was neither of their faults. If they had shown up at the gate for as long as they stood at it whining about how unfair it all was and how they were never flying with AA again, they would have had plenty of time to board and would have both been well on their way to Miami at that point. Oh well.
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Post by whoami on Nov 16, 2013 12:14:08 GMT -5
*Sighs* figures.
I guess I'm the only one who thinks this policy is totally bizzare and unnecessary. Well, I can tell you one thing. I won't forget this. Frontier Airlines is now blacklisted by me. I will never fly them again unless there is absolutely no other options. Penny wise and pound foolish. They just lost a customer. Which is too bad, because I travel a lot. If you are ever an oversale, or request an upgrade, or are a revenue standby or other, you would understand why they have the policy.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Nov 16, 2013 12:46:23 GMT -5
This policy has been around forever. I got caught by it when I was flying out of Seatac a couple years ago and we wound up sitting on I5 for nearly an hour at 10 pm (I was on a red eye), going no where fast.
It really sucked as that was the last flight of the night and I wound up having to pay for a hotel room. Even so, the next day I went from standby list to standby list, trying to get a seat and after doing this for 18 hours, I finally wound up getting a seat on the same red eye, the next night.
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 16, 2013 13:19:53 GMT -5
LOL...that has absolutely nothing to do with anything. You have no idea how standby works at all. Overbooked is entirely different...and both are dealt with at the gate and have nothing to do with the ticket counter. Yes. I used the wrong word. Standby was a poor choice. I will go back to an over booked flight. When there are no volunteers, the ones usually bumped are the passengers who paid the lowest ticket fare. It is possible that the author's flight was highly overbooked and the gate advised the ticket counter no more passengers regardless of ticket price. The thread author states the counter told him he was two minutes past the check-in time. But is that the real reason? He/we don't know. As an ex-airline employee who travelled non-rev (Interline benefits/agreements) for thirty years, I do understand how standby and boarding works, having not gotten onto my desired flight but usually got a seat on the next flight to my destination.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Nov 16, 2013 13:36:47 GMT -5
*Sighs* figures.
I guess I'm the only one who thinks this policy is totally bizzare and unnecessary. Well, I can tell you one thing. I won't forget this. Frontier Airlines is now blacklisted by me. I will never fly them again unless there is absolutely no other options. Penny wise and pound foolish. They just lost a customer. Which is too bad, because I travel a lot. Eh... Frontier is circling the drain anyway. I never thought I'd say this, but I wish Airtran would have been successful in their hostile takeover of Midwest. Now Airtran is in the clutches of Southwest (Whom I'm not a fan). Delta's waiting for the final death throws of Frontier to take over. My airport now looks like a ghost town because Frontier cancelled all their flights out of it. And I can't get a direct flight anywhere except Cleveland, Philly, or Atlanta. You may be right. There were other things I noticed, but didn't affect me. For example, they were becomming more and more draconian in regards to carry on baggage. You had to actually walk up to the gate counter and get your carry on measured. If it was too big you had to pay a $100 fine. It didn't affect me because I only had a briefcase with my laptop in it. I checked my bag. They used to give out free cookies and stuff, but they don't anymore.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Nov 16, 2013 13:37:35 GMT -5
I hate flying and may never do it again. The cost of tickets, the long security lines, the hassle of getting through security, the early check-in times, the delays, the waiting, getting bumped, the seats getting smaller and smaller, the lack of a pillow and free meals...You can have it! You wouldn't even fly to see your grandchildren?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2013 13:38:28 GMT -5
I hate flying and may never do it again. The cost of tickets, the long security lines, the hassle of getting through security, the early check-in times, the delays, the waiting, getting bumped, the seats getting smaller and smaller, the lack of a pillow and free meals...You can have it! DH and I have cut way back. We visit my parents annually in Myrtle Beach and it's a 14-hour drive (we do a couple of overnights each way) and enjoy the road trip. Two weeks ago we drive to Columbus for a family wedding- one overnight each way. Parents didn't make it- they tried to fly in the AM of an evening wedding and their flight got delayed multiple times, then cancelled. We really weigh the fly/drive decision these days. Pretty much unavoidable for Europe or our Alaskan cruise next year (I'm working FT so don't have enough vacation to do things the really slow way) but we drive a lot more than we used to for just the reasons you mentioned.
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