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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2013 22:49:33 GMT -5
8 a.m. a neighbor alerted me we had a pair of extremely large and aggressive pit bulls roaming the neighborhood. Animal control is closed for Veterans Day (not that they will come out unless a person is attacked - 3 officers for the whole city). Two hours later the same neighbor calls me that the dogs are up on everyone's porches including mine, clawing at the front door, trying to get in at the inside pets. I lock my outdoor cat in the garage, grab a club and pepper spray and go sit on the front porch waiting for DH to get home from his bike ride. I called some of my neighbors at work and said they should watch their backsides when they get home from work in case the dogs are laid up on their porch.
Tonight one neighbor asked me why I hadn't shot and killed the dogs. Yeah, let me count the reasons like illegal discharge of a firearm within city limits, cruelty to animals and a s-load of other criminal charges on my rear end. Not to mention why I should put my speed and aim with a .38 up against the charge of two very healthy dogs for his benefit. I guess it's really true that no good deed goes unpunished so I won't be wasting my cell minutes on letting him know anything again. "Say what, your house burned down? Dude, so sorry, I didn't see a thing".
I was too stunned to think of a good retort so I'm asking you good folks to fill in the blank. What would you have said?
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Post by justme on Nov 11, 2013 22:55:07 GMT -5
I'd say I never saw the dogs do a damn thing (assuming that's true) and if he's so damn worried about them he can shoot them and deal with it.
On a side note - 10 to 1 I'll bet that the dogs weren't true pit bulls because even the damn media can't get straight what they actually are.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Nov 11, 2013 23:30:35 GMT -5
I would have asked a question right back...like what kind of a person shoots a dog who isn't hurting anyone?
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Post by Works4me on Nov 12, 2013 0:16:23 GMT -5
"cause I'm saving all my bullets for you!"
Could or could not be sung to the tune of "Saving All My Love ..." depending on how much he has pissed you off in the past and whether or not you can sing decently.
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Post by whoami on Nov 12, 2013 1:27:28 GMT -5
I would have called the cops. Two large agressive pit bulls wandering loose? What if a kid was ouside or someone went jogging through the neighborhood?
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Post by mmhmm on Nov 12, 2013 2:06:51 GMT -5
You want something shot? Shoot it yourself.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2013 3:30:42 GMT -5
Your neighbor asked you why you didn't shoot the roaming pitbulls... seems like an honest enough query. Perhaps he honestly wanted to know your reasons. You could have answered him honestly. Did you? If not, then why not?
Me, I don't advise my neighbors whether or not I have any guns. That's the sort of information that I consider best kept confidential. Back to the pitbulls... did you actually witness them roaming as was alleged? can you confirm the allegations?
I'd hate to think your neighbor might be playing games... or may even be delusional. If that's the case, you might be better off not getting sucked into their drama...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2013 7:55:07 GMT -5
first of all, how did you know they were aggressive? maybe they wanted to come in because they were hungry. Second, anybody who would advocate shooting a dog because they MIGHT do something, is a total ass. Third, most people can't even pick a pit bull out of a lineup so who's to say they weren't boxers, or labs or who knows what.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2013 8:29:22 GMT -5
Did you hear the dogs pawing at your front door?
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Post by zibazinski on Nov 12, 2013 8:32:29 GMT -5
It'd tell the truth. I shoot people not animals.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2013 8:44:31 GMT -5
Well to start with I would not have called the neighbours at work if I hadn't actually seen the dogs myself. Are these supposed to be dogs you guys are familiar with? Where did they come from?
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Post by sarcasticgirl on Nov 12, 2013 8:58:31 GMT -5
I like how the neighbor said the dogs were scratching at everyone's door trying to get to any pets inside. Wtf? Really? Because dogs normally go house to house looking for another animal to attack. I think your neighbor is a bit high strung/ overdramatic.
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Post by hoops902 on Nov 12, 2013 9:46:57 GMT -5
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Post by imawino on Nov 12, 2013 10:59:39 GMT -5
I'm confused. It doesn't sound like you actually saw these dogs, even though the neighbor called you and told you they were on your very own front porch scratching at the door? is the neighbor a little off?
Agree with those who say that many can't identify a pit bull anyway, they just assume all dogs they don't know much about are pit bulls and therefore dangerous and terrifying. Pit bulls are not generally "very large" dogs, at least how I would define a very large dog. Very large = mastiff, great dane, newfoundland, etc. Pit bull terriers are pretty medium sized.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Nov 12, 2013 11:06:16 GMT -5
Agree with those who say that many can't identify a pit bull anyway, they just assume all dogs they don't know much about are pit bulls and therefore dangerous and terrifying
I ran into an American Bulldog when walking my Aussie. It hopped the fence and his owner was chasing after him. Caught the dog while it sniffed my dog's butt.
Meanwhile this guy on a bike is circling around us screaming about pit bulls and how they are illegal and the guy should be reported to animal control yada yada.
Uh. . it's not a pit bull and you're not helping.
So you never actually saw these dogs that were running around? Did anyone else in the neighborhood see them? You'd think at least one other person would have seen a pack of dogs making pit stops on every porch.
I'd tell the guy I don't waste bullets on imaginary animals.
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Post by HoneyBBQ on Nov 12, 2013 11:06:55 GMT -5
Your neighbor sounds like a ignorant pit-hater.
1. Most people can't even recognize a pit bull.
2. An aggressive pissed off dog is not going to go house to house to paw at people's front doors. That sounds like a lost and hungry pet looking for their home or a human to pet.
I'd tell your neighbor he was a dumb ass and to F off.
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Post by Opti on Nov 12, 2013 11:26:53 GMT -5
donethat, was the neighbor who called you initially and the one who asked you about shooting the dogs the same person or different people? I notice you haven't returned to the thread. I think you were being set up or at least played with by one neighbor if they are the same person or two if they are different. Its really odd someone would expect you to the shoot dogs. I would have simply said I don't shoot things that aren't attacking me. And I would have asked him, "Why do you think I should have shot and killed these dogs?" The latter asked by itself would have been better because perhaps he would have been prompted into revealing why he wanted you to do something he obviously did not do. I agree what the person told you is simply crazy. Dogs don't go searching for things to beat up and chase in houses. Its not their nature. Dogs going porch to porch, doesn't make much sense at all IMHO. Odds are you have a crazy person trying to yank your chain for their benefit. The most likely intentions were to get you to kill some dogs he didn't like or to get you to harm some dogs to get you into trouble. The best approach in the future might be non-verbal. A raised eyebrow and nothing else.
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Post by imawino on Nov 12, 2013 11:36:10 GMT -5
An aggressive pissed off dog is not going to go house to house to paw at people's front doors. That sounds like a lost and hungry pet looking for their home or a human to pet. I know. I'm now sad for this poor lost dog looking for shelter! Let's hope it was just imaginary.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2013 12:01:17 GMT -5
it's really a shame that being an ignorant jackass isn't illegal....
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Post by tskeeter on Nov 12, 2013 12:01:17 GMT -5
8 a.m. a neighbor alerted me we had a pair of extremely large and aggressive pit bulls roaming the neighborhood. Animal control is closed for Veterans Day (not that they will come out unless a person is attacked - 3 officers for the whole city). Two hours later the same neighbor calls me that the dogs are up on everyone's porches including mine, clawing at the front door, trying to get in at the inside pets. I lock my outdoor cat in the garage, grab a club and pepper spray and go sit on the front porch waiting for DH to get home from his bike ride. I called some of my neighbors at work and said they should watch their backsides when they get home from work in case the dogs are laid up on their porch. Tonight one neighbor asked me why I hadn't shot and killed the dogs. Yeah, let me count the reasons like illegal discharge of a firearm within city limits, cruelty to animals and a s-load of other criminal charges on my rear end. Not to mention why I should put my speed and aim with a .38 up against the charge of two very healthy dogs for his benefit. I guess it's really true that no good deed goes unpunished so I won't be wasting my cell minutes on letting him know anything again. "Say what, your house burned down? Dude, so sorry, I didn't see a thing". I was too stunned to think of a good retort so I'm asking you good folks to fill in the blank. What would you have said? Oh, I was gong to take care of shooting the dogs right after I shoot you to make sure you don't decide to burglarize my house, or back into my car, or something like that. Why don't you come on over? That'd make things a bit easier for me.
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Post by HoneyBBQ on Nov 12, 2013 12:09:36 GMT -5
An aggressive pissed off dog is not going to go house to house to paw at people's front doors. That sounds like a lost and hungry pet looking for their home or a human to pet. I know. I'm now sad for this poor lost dog looking for shelter! Let's hope it was just imaginary. I've been around aggressive and angry feral dogs before - St Louis had(s) a huge feral/lost/aggressive dog problem. It's possible that this was a pit bull and it's possible it was "large and aggressive" but in all my experience in dog rescue those dogs are running AWAY from humans as much as possible. They'll go to an abandoned house or building and stay there. They typically do not wander the streets unless they are in a pack (2 is not a pack) and they definitely do not go up to the porches of occupied houses.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2013 21:56:31 GMT -5
Update time:
1. Yes, I saw them and they were pit bulls. Well cared for, exceptionally large, extremely well fed. Stunningly beautiful. Both intact males, presumably breeding stock. The breeding fee for a male with good fighting offspring is substantial.
2. They live about three blocks away and get out occasionally. They show extremely aggressive behavior even when on lead and the owners encourage it. The owner also keeps a breeding bitch and I'm told her pups go for big $$.
3. Surveillance cameras confirmed their presence at my door.
4. Our city does not respond to stray dog calls, and does not consider an attack on another animal a sign of aggression. A human being has to be attacked before our Bureau of Animal Control will dispatch.
My question was not about the merits of pit bulls or their lack thereof. I don't blame an animal for being what it is or is allowed to be. In fact I feel the breed has been victimized by those who use them as an accessory or status symbol, or for the money to be made in breeding fighting dogs. Unfortunately, we have seen far too many small pets killed in their own yards or while on lead by free-roaming pit bulls. Baiting fighting dogs with smaller dogs, puppies and cats is an established training tactic. And we've spent a lot of days without mail delivery because of attacks on our mail carriers.
My question was really about a supposedly intelligent person who wanted me to clean up the problem. He does indeed shoot things, white-wing doves who inadvertently nest over his truck and do what birds do. I guess they're as big a target as he's comfortable with.
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Post by justme on Nov 13, 2013 23:37:00 GMT -5
Next time tell him to shoot the owner instead. It's a damn shame he's treating/raising/breeding those dogs like that and if hell exists I hope he gets there fast. The breed is the sweetest ever until you mistreat them. As Vick's dogs proved, the dogs can be rehabilitated - douchebag owners cannot.
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Post by HoneyBBQ on Nov 14, 2013 0:35:05 GMT -5
Update time: 1. Yes, I saw them and they were pit bulls. Well cared for, exceptionally large, extremely well fed. Stunningly beautiful. Both intact males, presumably breeding stock. The breeding fee for a male with good fighting offspring is substantial. 2. They live about three blocks away and get out occasionally. They show extremely aggressive behavior even when on lead and the owners encourage it. The owner also keeps a breeding bitch and I'm told her pups go for big $$. 3. Surveillance cameras confirmed their presence at my door. 4. Our city does not respond to stray dog calls, and does not consider an attack on another animal a sign of aggression. A human being has to be attacked before our Bureau of Animal Control will dispatch.
My question was not about the merits of pit bulls or their lack thereof. I don't blame an animal for being what it is or is allowed to be. In fact I feel the breed has been victimized by those who use them as an accessory or status symbol, or for the money to be made in breeding fighting dogs. Unfortunately, we have seen far too many small pets killed in their own yards or while on lead by free-roaming pit bulls. Baiting fighting dogs with smaller dogs, puppies and cats is an established training tactic. And we've spent a lot of days without mail delivery because of attacks on our mail carriers. My question was really about a supposedly intelligent person who wanted me to clean up the problem. He does indeed shoot things, white-wing doves who inadvertently nest over his truck and do what birds do. I guess they're as big a target as he's comfortable with. Maybe you can tell the douchebag owners that people are talking shooting his dogs the next time they get out. Maybe he/she will do something about it but I doubt it. And what the hell city do you live in
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Nov 14, 2013 1:24:27 GMT -5
Next time tell him to shoot the owner instead. It's a damn shame he's treating/raising/breeding those dogs like that and if hell exists I hope he gets there fast. The breed is the sweetest ever until you mistreat them. As Vick's dogs proved, the dogs can be rehabilitated - douchebag owners cannot. While I can't condone shooting the owner (I know you said that out of anger and disgust ) I agree whole-heartedly with the rest of your post. NO animal should be mistreated or abused.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2013 1:33:23 GMT -5
Am I understanding it correctly that people ARE aware that he is breeding fighting dogs? If that is correct, and everyone IS aware of this, has it been reported?
Pitbulls are beautiful and sweet dogs. It is the bad owners that need to be shot.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2013 7:57:59 GMT -5
Am I understanding it correctly that people ARE aware that he is breeding fighting dogs? If that is correct, and everyone IS aware of this, has it been reported?
Pitbulls are beautiful and sweet dogs. It is the bad owners that need to be shot. yes, please report to the anti-dog fighting campaign with all the details of suspected dog fighting. they have a FB page but don't post it on the page, private message them or send them an email at anti-dogfightingcampaign@hotmail.com
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Nov 14, 2013 10:52:04 GMT -5
Where on earth do you live? If I reported unrestrained pit bulls and suspicion of dog fighting Animal Control would be here before I could hang up the phone.
They're short staffed so they aren't always up on catching every single stray dog/wild animal but they take things like dog fighting and loose pit bulls very seriously. The rules for owing pit bulls here are very strict and your scenario is definetly a violation. Multiple violations the dogs get confinscated.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Nov 14, 2013 12:32:12 GMT -5
Even if the dogs were attacking, it is a lot harder to shoot at them than you'd think.
My shooting instructor was walking her elderly dog on a leash when both she and the dog were attacked by another dog (off leash). Despite the fact that she was carrying, she could not shoot because there were too many people around that could potentially have gotten shot. Both she and her dog were injured. Not sure what happened to the attacking dog though.
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Post by whoami on Nov 14, 2013 13:36:11 GMT -5
Where on earth do you live? If I reported unrestrained pit bulls and suspicion of dog fighting Animal Control would be here before I could hang up the phone. Unrestrained large vicious pit bulls wandering loose WILL be responded to by the and/or the police regardless of what city you live in.
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