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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 12, 2013 16:44:35 GMT -5
your belief/opinion. can you back it up? well there are countless studies on income disparities between high school grads versus college grads not necessarily a matter of choice. for example, a person with severe learning disabilities or mental health issues may be unable to handle college.care to ponder the even bigger discrepancy between high school dropouts and college grads? i know it is only ONE decision in a long line of them..... name some others, but i would bet that in some cases or many/most- they are not really "choices" as the term is generally understood.but you have to admit....the numbers are pretty glaring whether or not someone has ACTUALLY made a study of peoples decisions...and the results.......probably not...... thanks, that is the answer i am looking for. no further questions.why dont you get on it.....i am pretty sure what the results will already be....... yeah, that is the problem, imo. you are prepared to write off half the adult public as "slackers", without anything to back it up other than your instincts.
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Post by Opti on Nov 12, 2013 16:46:34 GMT -5
Yup. You'd have to share most places illegally to get under $500/mo. in this area. I rented rooms after I sold my house. The going rate was around $600/mo. and up(2007). I'm not sure when you did so in Washington, DC. but it really depends where you are and who is sharing space. I know you don't believe me, but unless you are willing to violate zoning laws, sell yourself out for sexual favors as part of your Craigslist housing deal, I gave you the lowest going rate I am aware of that is not subsidized. Rooms usually start at $600/mo. and up for shared situations. One bedroom rents are up as well so my guess is the odd duck share a one bedroom apartment with me(sleep on the couch) still puts you north of $400/mo. $300/mo. may exist, but only if you are lucky enough to find someone who is willing to charge you significantly under market rate. Unless you are a relative, they usually come with significant house-cleaning and sexual requirements, again, per Craigslist ads which are the only place I ever see anything lower than what was in that post. (FWIW, when I looked at rooms in 2007/2008, some of those shared situations were 5 people or more and no they weren't any cheaper. Just bigger houses with often the bigger utilility cost which could be north of $100/mo. if it included cable, internet or the house was badly insulated. Haven't looked in awhile, but if the local paper isn't totally off there are still rooms out there going for $900/mo. or more.) But feel free to send me a boyfriend to share my rent. It won't be $300 mo. plus utils but its still pretty reasonable compared to most. Just over $500/mo. versus a place across the road which would be $700/mo. each. ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/angel.gif)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2013 16:47:32 GMT -5
it is not just about college
but it is about skills
and even if everyone went to trade school or college, we would still have poor people
lots of them.....
people still make bad decisions....spend more than they make.....never save for the rainy day
they marry bad partners.....go broke in bad business decisions.....
we could educate everyone on the planet....and we would still have poor people
but....we would hopefully have a LOT less of them.......
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 12, 2013 16:58:10 GMT -5
There are jobs that must be done which require only minimal skills to accomplish. If every human being on the planet made great decisions, there would still be those jobs that would have to be filled. They would have to be filled by individuals who had made great decisions their whole life.
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Post by Opti on Nov 12, 2013 17:02:39 GMT -5
But not all things are decisions like dropping out of HS. You can't decide not to get a genetic disease or not get injured in a horrific car accident caused by someone else. I'm glad its worked for you, but I think bad choices at the outset are only a portion of the issues. Those just out of college and older workers can't force employers to want them today. Sometimes you get screwed by world or other events you had no hand in such as the credit debacle and its continuing slow recovery. Or you go to school because there's demand for that occupation and by the time you get out there isn't enough demand to hire you.
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Post by Opti on Nov 12, 2013 17:05:14 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2013 17:05:33 GMT -5
well there are countless studies on income disparities between high school grads versus college grads not necessarily a matter of choice. for example, a person with severe learning disabilities or mental health issues may be unable to handle college.care to ponder the even bigger discrepancy between high school dropouts and college grads? i know it is only ONE decision in a long line of them..... name some others, but i would bet that in some cases or many/most- they are not really "choices" as the term is generally understood.but you have to admit....the numbers are pretty glaring whether or not someone has ACTUALLY made a study of peoples decisions...and the results.......probably not...... thanks, that is the answer i am looking for. no further questions.why dont you get on it.....i am pretty sure what the results will already be....... yeah, that is the problem, imo. you are prepared to write off half the adult public as "slackers", without anything to back it up other than your instincts.so bad decisions means one is a "slacker" good to know what your definitions are for future use i wouldnt use that term.....naive....credulous.....lacking wisdom....those are definitions or phrases that seem apt to me poor people for the MOST part are not poor due to laziness or stupidity (though too many liberals try to put that idea out as conservative or republican) they are poor because they have made poor choices "not necessarily a matter of choice. for example, a person with severe learning disabilities or mental health issues may be unable to handle college." can we stop throwing this in on every argument....not one person on this board that i have seen has said anything about those that cant fend for themselves due to mental or physical deficiencies
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2013 17:08:26 GMT -5
There are jobs that must be done which require only minimal skills to accomplish. If every human being on the planet made great decisions, there would still be those jobs that would have to be filled. They would have to be filled by individuals who had made great decisions their whole life. which as i just said above, we will never have we will always have people to fill these jobs leading a horse to water is not making it drink..... some will not take advantage of their opportunities......sad but true
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Post by Opti on Nov 12, 2013 17:10:52 GMT -5
You can hedge your bets, but you can never IMO save enough for every possible calamity that might hit you. Its not possible to always make the right decision or even know what the right one is because most of us can not read the future. Its easier if you are able to pick an industry that is stable, unlikely to be out-sourced, and also unlikely to get a glut of future workers. I have a feeling the Phillipines now possesses a whole host of newly minted poor people. Obviously bad planning on their part for living there. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/tongue.png)
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Post by Opti on Nov 12, 2013 17:19:39 GMT -5
But how do you know the majority of the poor are there because of poor choices? When I see numbers for many of the social programs you can get to over 50% by just adding up children and the elderly. Should we punish children for their bad choice of parents? Should we punish the elderly for their bad choices in getting certain health conditions?
Yes there are poor people who brought it on themselves just like there are rich folk who live paycheck to paycheck. I'm not convinced though that these folk are the majority of the poor. I think the majority of the poor people are under 18, elderly, or yes cannot fend for themselves due to mental or physical deficiencies. Of the rest, I don't know what the breakdown of the remaining 40 percent or less is. Some are passing through, some quicker than others, but more than a few like Trump have lived oin this category at least for awhile. For all I know, the idiot poor you dislike may be only 20% of the total. I do not think it is a majority. JMO.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2013 17:27:45 GMT -5
But how do you know the majority of the poor are there because of poor choices? When I see numbers for many of the social programs you can get to over 50% by just adding up children and the elderly. Should we punish children for their bad choice of parents? Should we punish the elderly for their bad choices in getting certain health conditions? Yes there are poor people who brought it on themselves just like there are rich folk who live paycheck to paycheck. I'm not convinced though that these folk are the majority of the poor. I think the majority of the poor people are under 18, elderly, or yes cannot fend for themselves due to mental or physical deficiencies. Of the rest, I don't know what the breakdown of the remaining 40 percent or less is. Some are passing through, some quicker than others, but more than a few like Trump have lived oin this category at least for awhile. For all I know, the idiot poor you dislike may be only 20% of the total. I do not think it is a majority. JMO. the discussion was of WORKING poor people not total poor people this is about able bodied minimum wage poor workers..... would you like to change your answer now?
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 12, 2013 18:27:59 GMT -5
There are jobs that must be done which require only minimal skills to accomplish. If every human being on the planet made great decisions, there would still be those jobs that would have to be filled. They would have to be filled by individuals who had made great decisions their whole life. which as i just said above, we will never have we will always have people to fill these jobs leading a horse to water is not making it drink..... some will not take advantage of their opportunities......sad but true Let me give this another go. Even if every person in the entire world never made a bad decision, even if every single person realized their full potential in educational attainment/skills attainment, there would be low skill required jobs to be filled. Therefore it it irrelevant that some people self select to fill those jobs as someone must fill them. It would be truly sad if we had astrophysicists asking, "Do you want fries with that" because they graduated with only a 3.5 grade point average instead of a 3.6. We should honor those who do those simple jobs so that those of us who are served by them can do what we love.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Nov 12, 2013 18:44:03 GMT -5
which as i just said above, we will never have we will always have people to fill these jobs leading a horse to water is not making it drink..... some will not take advantage of their opportunities......sad but true It would be truly sad if we had astrophysicists asking, "Do you want fries with that" because they graduated with only a 3.5 grade point average instead of a 3.6. "Truly sad" indeed. A comet is hurting towards Earth, we need to send a crack team of scientists to detonate a nuke at its core, and (lucky us!) billis has stacked the space agencies of the world with bottom-of-the-barrel 3.5 GPA astrophysicists. Why? Because gentle tears roll down his cheeks as he contemplates how they're just too good to be slinging french fries. You've killed us all, billis. Only in the hypothetical, thankfully, but you've surely killed us all. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/angry.png)
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 12, 2013 19:00:12 GMT -5
It would be truly sad if we had astrophysicists asking, "Do you want fries with that" because they graduated with only a 3.5 grade point average instead of a 3.6. "Truly sad" indeed. A comet is hurting towards Earth, we need to send a crack team of scientists to detonate a nuke at its core, and (lucky us!) billis has stacked the space agencies of the world with bottom-of-the-barrel 3.5 GPA astrophysicists. Why? Because gentle tears roll down his cheeks as he contemplates how they're just too good to be slinging french fries. You've killed us all, billis. Only in the hypothetical, thankfully, but you've surely killed us all. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/angry.png) Cute Lord Virgil. Total bastardization of my point, but cute.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Nov 12, 2013 19:03:31 GMT -5
"Truly sad" indeed. A comet is hurting towards Earth, we need to send a crack team of scientists to detonate a nuke at its core, and (lucky us!) billis has stacked the space agencies of the world with bottom-of-the-barrel 3.5 GPA astrophysicists. Why? Because gentle tears roll down his cheeks as he contemplates how they're just too good to be slinging french fries. You've killed us all, billis. Only in the hypothetical, thankfully, but you've surely killed us all. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/angry.png) Cute Lord Virgil. Total bastardization of my point, but cute. First you want people to get jobs commensurate with their exceptional training and education. Next you'll be awarding Nobel Peace Prizes to snow leopards for being so cute and fuzzy. You're out of control, billis. There, I've said it. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/sad.png)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2013 19:13:31 GMT -5
It would be truly sad if we had astrophysicists asking, "Do you want fries with that" because they graduated with only a 3.5 grade point average instead of a 3.6. "Truly sad" indeed. A comet is hurting towards Earth, we need to send a crack team of scientists to detonate a nuke at its core, and (lucky us!) billis has stacked the space agencies of the world with bottom-of-the-barrel 3.5 GPA astrophysicists. Why? Because gentle tears roll down his cheeks as he contemplates how they're just too good to be slinging french fries. You've killed us all, billis. Only in the hypothetical, thankfully, but you've surely killed us all. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/angry.png) How dramatic. Perhaps you've watched one too many Apocalypse flicks. (Or ten... or a hundred?) Of all the "extinction level event" sci-fi scenarios, the "blow up the approaching comet/asteroid" chestnut is a true classic... but it's about as implausible as the "Tremors" storyline, IMHO.
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 12, 2013 19:16:30 GMT -5
Cute Lord Virgil. Total bastardization of my point, but cute. First you want people to get jobs commensurate with their exceptional training and education. ... ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/sad.png) Actually first I want to honor those who take jobs commensurate with their lack of exceptional training and education. Then we can address the issue of over-schooling.
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 12, 2013 19:28:51 GMT -5
"Truly sad" indeed. A comet is hurting towards Earth, we need to send a crack team of scientists to detonate a nuke at its core, and (lucky us!) billis has stacked the space agencies of the world with bottom-of-the-barrel 3.5 GPA astrophysicists. Why? Because gentle tears roll down his cheeks as he contemplates how they're just too good to be slinging french fries. You've killed us all, billis. Only in the hypothetical, thankfully, but you've surely killed us all. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/angry.png) How dramatic. Perhaps you've watched one too many Apocalypse flicks. (Or ten... or a hundred?) Of all the "extinction level event" sci-fi scenarios, the "blow up the approaching comet/asteroid" chestnut is a true classic... but it's about as implausible as the "Tremors" storyline, IMHO. Not to mention that astrophysicists don't have the set of skills necessary to detonate a nuke at the core of an asteroid. ![](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fc/Armageddon-poster06.jpg)
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Nov 12, 2013 19:30:27 GMT -5
"Truly sad" indeed. A comet is hurting towards Earth, we need to send a crack team of scientists to detonate a nuke at its core, and (lucky us!) billis has stacked the space agencies of the world with bottom-of-the-barrel 3.5 GPA astrophysicists. Why? Because gentle tears roll down his cheeks as he contemplates how they're just too good to be slinging french fries. You've killed us all, billis. Only in the hypothetical, thankfully, but you've surely killed us all. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/angry.png) How dramatic. Perhaps you've watched one too many Apocalypse flicks. (Or ten... or a hundred?) Of all the "extinction level event" sci-fi scenarios, the "blow up the approaching comet/asteroid" chestnut is a true classic... but it's about as implausible as the "Tremors" storyline, IMHO. "Implausible." ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/tongue2.png) In case you hadn't noticed, Hollywood bases action movies on realistic extensions of scientific principles. There are occasional exaggerations and minor technical slip-ups, but the movies are all based on genuine science. That's what makes them so exciting to watch. I can't say for absolute certainty, but I can say with high certainty that putting sub-par astrophysicists (even slightly sub-par astrophysicists) into institutional and academic positions would be a fatal mistake for all of mankind. You can't reasonably dispute that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2013 19:32:18 GMT -5
Let me give this another go. Even if every person in the entire world never made a bad decision, even if every single person realized their full potential in educational attainment/skills attainment, there would be low skill required jobs to be filled. Therefore it it irrelevant that some people self select to fill those jobs as someone must fill them. It would be truly sad if we had astrophysicists asking, "Do you want fries with that" because they graduated with only a 3.5 grade point average instead of a 3.6. We should honor those who do those simple jobs so that those of us who are served by them can do what we love. Of course Just don't expect them to earn anything over poverty wages Sorry....but "do you want fries with that" is only worth so much Same for the custodian....stock clerk,etc Skills are the key to earnings....which was my original point
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 12, 2013 19:34:48 GMT -5
... I can't say for absolute certainty, but I can say with high certainty that putting sub-par astrophysicists (even slightly sub-par astrophysicists) into institutional and academic positions would be a fatal mistake for all of mankind. You can't reasonably dispute that. The problem comes with encouraging those who only have the potential to be sub-par astrophysicists to become sub-par astrophysicists and then have them be employed as fry cooks.
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 12, 2013 19:38:34 GMT -5
Let me give this another go. Even if every person in the entire world never made a bad decision, even if every single person realized their full potential in educational attainment/skills attainment, there would be low skill required jobs to be filled. Therefore it it irrelevant that some people self select to fill those jobs as someone must fill them. It would be truly sad if we had astrophysicists asking, "Do you want fries with that" because they graduated with only a 3.5 grade point average instead of a 3.6. We should honor those who do those simple jobs so that those of us who are served by them can do what we love. Of course Just don't expect them to earn anything over poverty wages Sorry....but "do you want fries with that" is only worth so much Same for the custodian....stock clerk,etc Skills are the key to earnings....which was my original point Finding a job that allows you to use the skills you have is the key to earnings. You can have all the education and skills in the world and if no one will hire you (or pay you for using those skills directly if you are self employed) then you have no earnings....which is my point to your original point.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 12, 2013 19:48:46 GMT -5
yeah, that is the problem, imo. you are prepared to write off half the adult public as "slackers", without anything to back it up other than your instincts. so bad decisions means one is a "slacker" whatever. i think it is a close enough synonym for purpose of discussion. but let's not get hung up on language. you think that people that make "bad decisions" should be written off, then. better?good to know what your definitions are for future use i wouldnt use that term.....naive....credulous.....lacking wisdom....those are definitions or phrases that seem apt to me poor people for the MOST part are not poor due to laziness or stupidity (though too many liberals try to put that idea out as conservative or republican) they are poor because they have made poor choices "not necessarily a matter of choice. for example, a person with severe learning disabilities or mental health issues may be unable to handle college." can we stop throwing this in on every argument....not one person on this board that i have seen has said anything about those that cant fend for themselves due to mental or physical deficiencies no, we can't. but they are but one example. there is also lack of opportunity in a lot of places in the US, imo. and there is a lack of mentoring, good parenting, and productive role models in many communities, as well. ALL of this leads to "slackers" (or whatever you want to call them). there is also genetics, poor health/chronic conditions (like asthma), disfigurement, abuse, industrial accidents, PTSD, and a billion other things that would set people back a couple of notches. i have a lot of sympathies for such people. do you?
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 12, 2013 19:52:42 GMT -5
Of course Just don't expect them to earn anything over poverty wages Sorry....but "do you want fries with that" is only worth so much Same for the custodian....stock clerk,etc Skills are the key to earnings....which was my original point Finding a job that allows you to use the skills you have is the key to earnings. You can have all the education and skills in the world and if no one will hire you (or pay you for using those skills directly if you are self employed) then you have no earnings....which is my point to your original point. that is precisely it. you might be a tremendous mandolin player, but if you can't market and sell that, you a f-d, no matter how accomplished you are.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 12, 2013 23:35:16 GMT -5
Then you have someone like me with the skills, had the good job and gave it up to care for sick mom and daughter. I could have put them both in institutional care DD paid for by the taxpayer and mom would eventually have been. We exhausted all her money for assisted living and paying for her perscriptions after she dropped drug coverage from her insurance years before so she could afford to continue living on her own. We paid $600 a month out of pocket and then assisted living. I still had my hands full with her there and DD at home. I would have rather been working but sometimes you make unpalatable choices because its the "right thing" to do. So I became a leach I guess though thanks to hubby I never needed financial assistance or food stamps or anything. But I knew many people like me that would have liked to work but took on responsibilities they felt like they had to do and so remained poor. We likely account for many of those people. And I'm still doing it 42 years later. I just had to run over to my MIL's at 10PM as she didn't answer her phone and worrying about her with beginning alzenheimers and 27 out I couldn't figure out what was wrong, operator said line was clear. She had pushed some wrong button on her phone I guess. Anyway I'm an unemployed statistic or guess I was before I started getting SS. Since 80% of disabled like DD are still being cared for in the home per last study I saw in Indiana and likely country wide we are part of those numbers. my sympathies, pat. that is a bad sitch. for myself, i maxed out my ability to borrow, so i am holding a good thought for this fragile recovery. if it holds, i will be fine. if not, i MIGHT be in serious doo.
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Post by resolution on Nov 13, 2013 0:35:05 GMT -5
I think sometimes we lose sight of the fact that half of the population has below average capabilities. I believe that as long as they are putting in the effort they should have a decent standard of living.
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Post by happyhoix on Nov 13, 2013 8:54:46 GMT -5
your belief/opinion. can you back it up? well there are countless studies on income disparities between high school grads versus college grads care to ponder the even bigger discrepancy between high school dropouts and college grads? i know it is only ONE decision in a long line of them..... but you have to admit....the numbers are pretty glaring whether or not someone has ACTUALLY made a study of peoples decisions...and the results.......probably not...... why dont you get on it.....i am pretty sure what the results will already be....... Those studies are out there, and yet kids still drop out of high school. That doesn't make sense, does it? Unless we assume all those kids are just stupid, or lazy, or set out on purpose to be moochers off the public dime? It couldn't be that the schools suck, that the kids realize hardly anyone in their HS goes to college so getting a HS degree is pointless, and that college isn't really an option for them because their parents can't help with tuition and their education is so poor scholarships are out of the question for all but a very few very bright kids, or very athletic ones. It can't be related to their parents being absent from the home a lot of the time, either because they're working a bunch of low paying jobs or because they have drug or alcohol problems of their own. It can't be related to these kids being pushed out the door by school administrators who want to shed the underperforming students to make their average test scores improve, to be compliant with the No Child Left Behind law. We could improve the schools for poor kids, we could get them better teachers and better role models, we could teach them about need based scholarships to help them continue in their education, but that would require community committment. Everyone would have to get involved with their local schools. Business people would have to offer to mentor the kids. Teachers and admin people would have to be held accountable for doing their jobs well. And that takes effort. Easier to just say poor kids must be stupid for not getting an education.
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Post by happyhoix on Nov 13, 2013 8:55:04 GMT -5
your belief/opinion. can you back it up? well there are countless studies on income disparities between high school grads versus college grads care to ponder the even bigger discrepancy between high school dropouts and college grads? i know it is only ONE decision in a long line of them..... but you have to admit....the numbers are pretty glaring whether or not someone has ACTUALLY made a study of peoples decisions...and the results.......probably not...... why dont you get on it.....i am pretty sure what the results will already be....... Those studies are out there, and yet kids still drop out of high school. That doesn't make sense, does it? Unless we assume all those kids are just stupid, or lazy, or set out on purpose to be moochers off the public dime? It couldn't be that the schools suck, that the kids realize hardly anyone in their HS goes to college so getting a HS degree is pointless, and that college isn't really an option for them because their parents can't help with tuition and their education is so poor scholarships are out of the question for all but a very few very bright kids, or very athletic ones. It can't be related to their parents being absent from the home a lot of the time, either because they're working a bunch of low paying jobs or because they have drug or alcohol problems of their own. It can't be related to these kids being pushed out the door by school administrators who want to shed the underperforming students to make their average test scores improve, to be compliant with the No Child Left Behind law. We could improve the schools for poor kids, we could get them better teachers and better role models, we could teach them about need based scholarships to help them continue in their education, but that would require community committment. Everyone would have to get involved with their local schools. Business people would have to offer to mentor the kids. Teachers and admin people would have to be held accountable for doing their jobs well. And that takes effort. Easier to just say poor kids must be stupid for not getting an education.
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usaone
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Post by usaone on Nov 13, 2013 8:57:18 GMT -5
A lot of it is because of bad parenting. Obama addressed this when he first became Pres in 2008. He should keep talking about it.
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