LAX shooter left anti-government note- TSA agent dead

[EVT1]

So to protest the TSA and the government you become the exact person the TSA and the government are there to defend against.  Got it.    Too bad he is one of the survivors.

     In the note, Paul Ciancia, 23, expressed “his disappointment with government” and said he had no intent to target or harm people he considered innocent bystanders, one source told The Times...“He was only interested in TSA,” the source said.

www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-lax-shooting-gunman-left-antigovernment-note-targeted-tsa-20131101,0,1865003.story#axzz2jRNxZIh1

And people wonder why anti-government groups are being watched.

[mmhmm]

I'm getting a "page not found" on your link, EVT.


ETA:  I found another:

USA Today

[workpublic]

and people wonder why there are anti govt groups.

should the govt be able to violate your rights or not?

in this cause you seem to say yes, but in your anti cop rants it seems to be no.

not condoning what happened, but I can understand people going crazy due to the exponential  ramping up of govt oppression, rights trampling and freedom removal that is happening daily.

[EVT1]

Keeping an eye on people isn't violating any rights.  Especially those with a history of violence- sovereign citizens, militia groups, etc.  Latest word this guy had 'patriot movement' literature on him and was targeting TSA employees and cops- so just more proof those folks need to be watched- although I think this was not nec. a member- just someone stupid enough to fall for their bullshit and unhinged enough to act on it.

[Otto the Orange]

so these people need to be "watched"

yet I am sure you're against stop, QUESTION, & frisk

at least it wasn't a florida post

[kittensaver]

This hit a leeeeeeeeeeeeetle too close to home - literally

[Sum Dum Gai]

The TSA is a weird one to target.  Are they trampling on your right to go armed on a plane?  Seems like a weird one to be that pissed about.  Do us all a favor and go harass the IRS instead.

[djAdvocate]

i f'ing hate the TSA.  just not enough to shoot anyone.

[EVT1]

Nov 2, 2013 16:15:45 GMT -5 Otto the Orange said:

so these people need to be "watched"

yet I am sure you're against stop, QUESTION, & frisk

at least it wasn't a florida post

Without any reasonable suspicion there is no reason to stop and question anyone much less frisk them.  No law against watching what they do is there?  No law against ASKING a question- but no law against in answering 'none of your business' or 'I do not wish to talk to you'.  Most people probably wouldn't mind answering a few quick questions.

I am pretty much against arresting people for meth that actually have jolly ranchers or for having expensive belts with the receipts.  NY is on the shit list right now- all is quiet in America's wang.  For now- a least until Georgie boy shoots someone else

[Sum Dum Gai]

i f'ing hate the TSA. just not enough to shoot anyone.

Why? 

A quick grope before boarding isn't really that bad in the grand scheme of things.  The waiting in line part can suck pretty bad, granted, but it's no worse than waiting for any other bored looking government flunky to do something inane and kind of pointless.  You never see people shooting up the DMV and they can take forever to get the simplest shit done.

[workpublic]

Without any reasonable suspicion there is no reason to stop and question anyone much less frisk them.

OMG you've just described TSA screening.

what's their probably cause or "reasonable" suspicion?

you do know that the NYPD stop  and frisk policy is all about watching?

they watch people(in high crime areas) to determine if they display signs of having a weapon/drugs(bulges in clothing, posture, behavior, etc) before they engage in the stop and frisk. they just don't walk up to the first person of color they see and start hassling them.

[EVT1]

You voluntarily give up your 4th amendment rights when you choose to board a plane.  In fact you give up parts of that right in a lot of circumstances- entering some government buildings, schools, DUI checkpoints, and others- some I disagree with.  TSA and stop and frisk are not even in the same ballpark.

There was a related article on how many weapons they stop: 

www.nationaljournal.com/defense/the-tsa-found-29-firearms-at-airports-this-week-before-the-lax-shooting-20131101

27 loaded in one week- 1500+ for 2012.

Do you want to get rid of them?  Do we want the airlines to pay for them instead?  What happens when the next terrorist incident happens if they screw up?  Going to let the airlines go bankrupt?  Going to bail them out?  No good answer is there- lose/lose.  I'll take the inconvenience over the other option.

[djAdvocate]

Nov 2, 2013 17:23:12 GMT -5 Sum Dum Gai said:

i f'ing hate the TSA. just not enough to shoot anyone.

Why? 

because they have not made air travel any safer, cost billions of dollars, and are IN THE F'ING WAY.

i am perfectly content having "unsafe" air travel.  i know a lot of others feel differently.  bully for them.

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Why?

A quick grope before boarding isn't really that bad in the grand scheme of things. The waiting in line part can suck pretty bad, granted, but it's no worse than waiting for any other bored looking government flunky to do something inane and kind of pointless

.

I'm quoting Dark's post just so you don't have to go looking who said what.

I agree that screening before boarding isn't that big a deal. I'd rather be groped, patted down, and then sent on my way to the boarding ramp than worry that the person behind me just "might" have a gun or explosive strapped to his body that wasn't checked or detected.

This isn't the 80's anymore. A little inconvenience in the interest of air-travel safety is far better than a disaster in the air.

Nobody's infringing on my rights - they're taking precautions to (hopefully) protect my safety while flying.

It's no big deal - better groped than dead.

[Virgil Showlion]

I'm with DJ on this one. Any terrorist with two brain cells to rub together could thwart TSA (or the Canadian equivalent, CATSA) and get explosives or a weapon on a plane.

Any terrorist without the requisite number of brain cells could do it with a 50% success rate.

There's a reason the TSA comes down like a ton of bricks on news agencies that go undercover and successfully smuggle things like machine guns and phony suitcase nukes onto planes. The system seems to be 90% show, 5% dumb luck, and 5% dumb terrorists.

[zibazinski]

It'd be great if it actually worked, the TSA screening but its a job maker for a lot of people who couldn't get a job doing anything else. That does not make me feel secure.

[djAdvocate]

Nov 3, 2013 7:40:37 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

I'm with DJ on this one. Any terrorist with two brain cells to rub together could thwart TSA (or the Canadian equivalent, CATSA) and get explosives or a weapon on a plane.

Any terrorist without the requisite number of brain cells could do it with a 50% success rate.

There's a reason the TSA comes down like a ton of bricks on news agencies that go undercover and successfully smuggle things like machine guns and phony suitcase nukes onto planes. The system seems to be 90% show, 5% dumb luck, and 5% dumb terrorists.

it does, however, serve the glorious purpose of terrorism, by keeping us all in fear and giving us a false sense of security, at the expense of our freedom, of course.