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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Oct 30, 2013 13:48:10 GMT -5
Yes, for realisies. Swamp and I are super cereal.
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Sam_2.0
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Post by Sam_2.0 on Oct 30, 2013 13:48:35 GMT -5
If you're fat, you make the world a bad place
I thought we'd established a long time ago on YM that the answer is yes. You make the world a terrible place and nobody will ever love you, now put down that candy bar and coffee! No, you drink the coffee black. It's an appetite suppressant, and hella cheap. Very YM approved.
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Sum Dum Gai
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Oct 30, 2013 13:49:29 GMT -5
Fuck it, we've all gotta die of something, and coffee is the only thing that makes some mornings worth it.
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Chocolate Lover
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Oct 30, 2013 13:49:49 GMT -5
I wasn't born yesterday, they'll eat half of it before they come home. You're parenting wrong too, you never let them ToT unsupervised!
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Oct 30, 2013 13:51:25 GMT -5
My kids are free range, since I don't want to raise fraidy cats that can't function in the real world and need me to take them to job interviews when they're in their twenties.
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Post by thyme4change on Oct 30, 2013 13:55:09 GMT -5
Swamp - I would pay $50 to see you punch this woman in the throat. That would be awesome.
Dark - you are right that 5000 calories is 5000 calories, but we use the candy as substitutes for other things as we dole it out over several weeks. We likely won't keep any lemonade in the house in Nov. I also wont buy them the occassional soda they sometimes get. They wull even eat less jelly and even crackers and things like that during the time frame we have Halloween candy in the house. So it isn't a net gain of 5000 calories into my kids' childhood.
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Oct 30, 2013 14:01:05 GMT -5
My kids are free range, since I don't want to raise fraidy cats that can't function in the real world and need me to take them to job interviews when they're in their twenties. <<calls CPS on Dark>>
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swamp
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Post by swamp on Oct 30, 2013 14:05:10 GMT -5
Swamp - I would pay $50 to see you punch this woman in the throat. That would be awesome. Road trip!!!!
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Sum Dum Gai
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Oct 30, 2013 14:05:13 GMT -5
Older one is 12, they can go out unsupervised now, even in California. Anyone who says I was letting them roam the neighborhood before they were old enough is a dirty liar and most importantly has no proof.
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Oct 30, 2013 14:06:33 GMT -5
Older one is 12, they can go out unsupervised now, even in California. Anyone who says I was letting them roam the neighborhood before they were old enough is a dirty liar and most importantly has no proof. You sure about that?
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Sum Dum Gai
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Oct 30, 2013 14:10:28 GMT -5
FB posts don't count, people lie online all the time. For example, I'm not even really a dude, and I don't own a toy store. I operate a payday lending business, cause kids and poor people suck but money is awesome!
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Post by Phoenix84 on Oct 30, 2013 14:16:37 GMT -5
Generally, I try not to go around and judge people. Some people have legitamate medical issues that can lead to obesity. Not most, by any stretch of the imagination, but such conditions exist. I'd rather not get on my high horse and judge others.
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Oct 30, 2013 14:18:09 GMT -5
FB posts don't count, people lie online all the time. For example, I'm not even really a dude, and I don't own a toy store. I operate a payday lending business, cause kids and poor people suck but money is awesome! <<goes to double check Beer's stalker book, I mean notes>>
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NomoreDramaQ1015
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Oct 30, 2013 14:25:06 GMT -5
I'd rather not get on my high horse and judge others
Takes away Pho's YM card.
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Post by dannylion on Oct 30, 2013 14:28:39 GMT -5
I agree with her that it takes an entire community to solve the obesity epidemic, but this type of thing is vicious, cruel, and completely unnecessary. This will probably make the problem worse rather than better. If she really wants to help kids with childhood obesity she could volunteer for a group like Girls on the Run or other similar groups that promote physical activity and healthy eating. You know actually do something positive rather than being a petty cruel bitch. I suspect that her goal does not extend beyond taking advantage of the opportunity to be mean by pretending to be "helpful." Humiliating other people's children with cruel messages gives her the opportunity to feel smug and self-righteous without any of the effort that actually doing something positive would require.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2013 14:30:51 GMT -5
This woman and I would have a "coming to Jesus" moment. It is NOT ok to shame a child about their weight EVER! I do not understand why people think that doing stuff like this is ok? Who the F does she think she is?
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Oct 30, 2013 15:49:40 GMT -5
This is simply a small-scale implementation of what Mayor Bloomberg tried to do on a state-wide scale in NY. Hand out notes (cease and desist sales orders, in Mr. Bloomberg's case) saying "You're too fat and too irresponsible to deserve that." Not only that, this woman's approach is more targeted, more advisory (i.e. less binding), and more "hands on" in the sense that she has to look the people in the eye when she calls them fat and irresponsible. Should we blame these people for trying to make the world a better place?
If you're fat, you make the world a bad place? Absolutely. Why else would forward-looking individuals like Mayor Bloomberg take steps as drastic as curtailing New Yorkers' purchasing freedoms in an attempt to head off an "epidemic" (which is the term used by healthcare experts the world over)? Have you ever heard of an epidemic that made the world a better place? The simple fact is that Americans can't be trusted to properly regulate their own eating habits. The evidence is all around you. Hence suitable policies such as soda bans and high BMI notifications to parents are put into place to redress the lack of self-regulation. Other examples include fluoridated water, mandatory flu vaccinations at school, volume limits on consumer MP3 players, and federal prohibitions on marijuana. Remember: the fatter a person is, the unhealthier he is. The unhealthier he is, the more medical care he needs. The more medical care he needs, the more money his insurance company needs to pay out and the higher premiums will go. You may have noticed that the US recently passed laws making fatty's high cost of upkeep society's problem (not to mention druggie's, boozy's, fastie's, loosy's, smoky's, and crazy's). Is it not therefore society's right and responsibility to regulate fatty's behaviour? The woman in the OP is providing a public service. If her letters shame at least one parent into aggressively addressing their fat child's weight problem, she'll have saved you (and indeed, every American reading this) a considerable future expense, statistically speaking. Wouldn't you define that as "making the world a better place"? If not, kindly pull yourself into the 21st century.
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Post by swamp on Oct 30, 2013 16:11:00 GMT -5
I've seen lots of thin heroin addicts. Doesn't mean they're healthy
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Oct 30, 2013 17:04:30 GMT -5
How about the skinny anorexics and bulimics who end up with organ failure? Yup... super healthy there... Nobody is saying the other extreme is healthy. But Halloween is about giving out candy to fat kids.
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Post by muttleynfelix on Oct 30, 2013 17:06:52 GMT -5
Me either, giramomma. My parents were very religious & against anything "evil". However, we made out like bandits because our grandparents thought my parents were too strict and each of my grandmas would buy each of us kids our own bag of halloween candy!! That's 8 bags of candy that ended up in our house Now my mom wants to see the grandkids all dressed up each year and keeps apologizing profusely for not letting us have fun when we were little. So she makes up for it by giving our kids a TON of candy and dress up costumes. LOL! We never went trick-or-treating either. But I lived in the country growing up and my parents through us a little party at home. Actually the real story is that my mom took my siblings when she was 8 months pregnant with me and it was rainy and freezing and my dad was at a meeting and couldn't help and after that she said never again! So, I got completely deprived. They did let me go TOT twice with a friend in town. I have yet to take my kids (that whole living in the country thing). When they get a little older, I might ask some friends if we can tag along with them, but not this year (and I LOVE how everyone talks to my son about going TOT, no he isn't going TOT this year. We had a church party, he had a party at school, he has school the next morning and needs to be in bed early ... sorry, I'm a mean mom).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2013 17:17:02 GMT -5
I agree with her that it takes an entire community to solve the obesity epidemic, but this type of thing is vicious, cruel, and completely unnecessary. This will probably make the problem worse rather than better. If she really wants to help kids with childhood obesity she could volunteer for a group like Girls on the Run or other similar groups that promote physical activity and healthy eating. You know actually do something positive rather than being a petty cruel bitch. I suspect that her goal does not extend beyond taking advantage of the opportunity to be mean by pretending to be "helpful." Humiliating other people's children with cruel messages gives her the opportunity to feel smug and self-righteous without any of the effort that actually doing something positive would require. Well...she could just give the fat ones jump ropes.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2013 17:18:33 GMT -5
How about the skinny anorexics and bulimics who end up with organ failure? Yup... super healthy there... Nobody is saying the other extreme is healthy. But Halloween is about giving out candy to fat kids. Funny I don't remember any fat kids when I was young. But then again we wuz poor. I think fat discrimination at such a tender age is a really fantastic Idea, why didn't I think of that?
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Post by movingforward on Oct 30, 2013 17:20:22 GMT -5
Nobody is saying the other extreme is healthy. But Halloween is about giving out candy to fat kids.Really? My kids are gonna be disappointed that they can't go trick or treating this year... maybe I'll get them a fat suit... See all great things Virgil teaches us. I learn something new everyday... I guess Christmas is also about giving presents to rich kids
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Post by Miss Tequila on Oct 30, 2013 17:52:30 GMT -5
Wow, is someone handed out a letter like that to one of my kids I would go apeshit on their ass!
Ironically, I've got kids in the other end of the spectrum. One is just skinny but the other one is significantly underweight. Under doctor's orders, we are concsciously trying to get her to gain weight. So...I guess my kids are clear to get ToT:-p
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Oct 30, 2013 18:11:22 GMT -5
See all great things Virgil teaches us. I learn something new everyday... I guess Christmas is also about giving presents to rich kids Those greedy little bastards! My last two posts are a bit of black humour. Reply #108 is a defense of social engineering. You may have noticed in the past that I'm not a big fan of social engineering. I sometimes play devil's advocate to see how others respond. The woman in the OP is an example of the absurdity you get when you scale down the principle that underlies social engineering to a scale where it has a face and a name and is something tangible you can throw a flaming bag of poo at. Not all social engineering is bad, but it always begins with the notion that something needs to be fixed and that the common man isn't responsible enough to fix it using his own will and reasoning. Some "good" examples (most here would probably agree) are things like mandatory seatbelt use, prohibitions on dangerous activities, bans on owning certain dangerous animals, etc., etc. Weight is one of the particularly sensitive issues because it falls into the category of things that most people don't consider fundamentally "wrong" (as Swamp asks, "Do fat people make the world a worse place to live in?") but that are an incredibly expensive "wrong" when viewed through the lens of a centrally-planned society where one man's health problems become another man's burdens. Weight correlates strongly with cardiovascular disease, diabetes, and various other major health conditions. Disease creates huge demand for medical services. Ergo the social engineer's challenge is to convince society that fat people absolutely must slim down, but do it in a way that doesn't directly imply obesity is wrong or that people aren't responsible enough to tackle it on their own. Other than the scale of implementation, the difference between the professionals and the woman in the OP is that she clearly doesn't understand the necessity of obfuscating her intent. If she wants to slim down fat kids without Swamp punching her in the throat, Miss T. "going apeshit" on her, or various others pelting her with flaming bags of poo, she'll need to come up with a better pitch.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2013 18:25:18 GMT -5
My children were never overweight, but if I had an overweight child and some woman I don't know gave me a letter talking about my child's weight, I can see that getting ugly real fast. I can take constructive criticism when it's given appropriately. I don't consider what this woman is planning to do appropriate at all. Just turn your porch lights out and don't answer the door for the trick or treaters if you don't want to give them candy or some other kind of treat. You can feel how you feel about overweight children, trick or treating and anything else, but you don't have to be an ass or mean about it.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Oct 30, 2013 18:36:16 GMT -5
My children were never overweight, but if I had an overweight child and some woman I don't know gave me a letter talking about my child's weight, I can see that getting ugly real fast. I can take constructive criticism when it's given appropriately. I don't consider what this woman is planning to do appropriate at all. Just turn your porch lights out and don't answer the door for the trick or treaters if you don't want to give them candy or some other kind of treat. You can feel how you feel about overweight children, trick or treating and anything else, but you don't have to be an ass or mean about it. All she is going to do is hurt a lot of kids feelings. Horrible, horrible person
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Oct 30, 2013 19:08:06 GMT -5
Don't hate just because I can still fit into a size 4 Waldo suit.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2013 3:41:16 GMT -5
Don't hate just because I can still fit into a size 4 Waldo suit. Sorry dude... You just totally lost your man card... <<shakes head in disgust realizing it should have been revoked after the Santa picture>> Thanks! Now I have THAT imagine in my head again!
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Oct 31, 2013 8:42:54 GMT -5
Sorry dude... You just totally lost your man card...
How many man cards does Dark have? Because I had to take one away over on EE when he showed he knows way too much about the Twilight saga.
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