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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Oct 23, 2013 20:48:01 GMT -5
I have noticed that people are bringing their dogs into stores and to public venues where they really are not welcome. Why do they feel that can do this? Is it suddenly okay? I've got a few customers that bring their purse dogs in with them, which I really don't mind, but they let them out to see the kids or whatever if they get exited. I've never asked them to leave or had an issue, but I don't like seeing dogs walking around in my store. If one of the little ankle biters nipped a kid you know they'd sue me not the owner.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2013 8:23:25 GMT -5
In Italy, people take their pets every where. I see them in stores, restaurants, etc. Last year a law was passed that said that landlords could no longer have a "no pet" policy in their leases because it is a human right to have a pet here. I take my dog to the vino bar and the gas station bar all the time. The locals love him. Last night one of the locals brought his puppy to the bar and I may or may not have tried to coax it into my purse to take home....
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Post by Opti on Oct 26, 2013 23:00:12 GMT -5
Awwww. I wish I had seen this earlier. I'm going to go back and like some posts. Virgil, while it can be fun to analyze for you, as someone posted its not literal and some people find it fun.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Oct 27, 2013 8:02:58 GMT -5
Just look at the cat abuse this guy. And you people complain I'm taking this too seriously.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2013 12:21:54 GMT -5
I'm not claiming that pets aren't part of a family. I'm criticizing the notions that pets own people, pets adopt people, pets are co-equal to their owners, pets are smarter than their owners, or pets enjoy a position of greater authority and/or prominence than their owners. None of these notions are accurate, and taking them too seriously is foolishness. I have nothing against owning, loving, and cherishing pets. I don't know.....from stuff in the news, on facebook, and politicians, I think there are a hell of a lot of people that have pets smarter than them.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Oct 27, 2013 12:31:08 GMT -5
I'm not claiming that pets aren't part of a family. I'm criticizing the notions that pets own people, pets adopt people, pets are co-equal to their owners, pets are smarter than their owners, or pets enjoy a position of greater authority and/or prominence than their owners. None of these notions are accurate, and taking them too seriously is foolishness. I have nothing against owning, loving, and cherishing pets. I don't know.....from stuff in the news, on facebook, and politicians, I think there are a hell of a lot of people that have pets smarter than them. You're confusing lack of intelligence with capacity for destruction. The reality is that highly intelligent people can--and do, just as often as 95% of everyone else--make poor decisions, wrong decisions, immoral decisions. You might be the smartest ant on the anthill, but you're still an ant.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2013 12:49:01 GMT -5
Who's an ant? Insects are posting on message boards now?
Where does one find the "other 5%" that never makes "poor decisions, wrong decisions, immoral decisions"? Do they have their own club/cult? A secret handshake? ?
I've met and gotten to know many people over the years... and have yet to meet anyone who never makes a mistake.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Oct 27, 2013 13:20:41 GMT -5
Who's an ant? Insects are posting on message boards now? Where does one find the "other 5%" that never makes "poor decisions, wrong decisions, immoral decisions"? Do they have their own club/cult? A secret handshake? ? I've met and gotten to know many people over the years... and have yet to meet anyone who never makes a mistake. The 5% refers to the truly idiotic ("Jimmy" from "Tales of Jimmy" in YM comes to mind) that are capable of making poor, wrong, and immoral decisions at a significantly greater rate than both ordinary people and exceptionally intelligent people. These are the people who ice fish with dynamite, ride their stunt bikes off of 200-foot sheer cliffs, and attempt to capture US warships with a few machineguns and a dinghy.
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Post by AGB on Oct 27, 2013 15:17:27 GMT -5
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Post by Jaguar on Oct 27, 2013 15:23:43 GMT -5
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Post by AGB on Oct 27, 2013 15:33:16 GMT -5
Why, thank you. Nice place you have here. I'll have to stop by more often.
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Post by Jaguar on Oct 27, 2013 15:51:08 GMT -5
Just look at the cat abuse this guy. And you people complain I'm taking this too seriously.
This gif is beyond adorable. Cats just have that special love for people they love.
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Oct 27, 2013 15:53:10 GMT -5
The kitten's beyond cute - but then so is the guy - I wouldn't kick either of them out of bed.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Oct 27, 2013 15:58:48 GMT -5
Just look at the cat abuse this guy. And you people complain I'm taking this too seriously.
This gif is beyond adorable. Cats just have that special love for people they love.
Pfft. This is what's going through the cat's mind: Walk. Walk. Walk. Climb. Climb. Face. Paw. Face. Paw. Pet me, meat bag. Face. Lick. Pet me. Pet me. Pet me. Ahhhh yeah. That's the stuff. Meat bag is petting me. Like a little furry drug addict, only addicted to rubs instead of drugs.
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Post by steff on Oct 27, 2013 16:08:18 GMT -5
This gif is beyond adorable. Cats just have that special love for people they love.
Pfft. This is what's going through the cat's mind: Walk. Walk. Walk. Climb. Climb. Face. Paw. Face. Paw. Pet me, meat bag. Face. Lick. Pet me. Pet me. Pet me. Ahhhh yeah. That's the stuff. Meat bag is petting me. Like a little furry drug addict, only addicted to rubs instead of drugs. I find it quite sad that you simply don't understand or respect the love between a pet owner & their pets.
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Post by Jaguar on Oct 27, 2013 16:09:51 GMT -5
Virgil there is a pure love between pet and pet owner.
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Post by steff on Oct 27, 2013 16:15:17 GMT -5
I wonder why someone loving their pets bothers Virgil so much. Has NO affect on him. doesn't impact him in any way. Doesn't hurt him or his family. so why not just let pet owners love their pets as they already do?
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Post by Jaguar on Oct 27, 2013 16:21:56 GMT -5
He needs to be a thorn on practically everything. Pick, Pick, Pick.......
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Oct 27, 2013 16:30:53 GMT -5
*lol* Beep. Boop. Bip. Beep. (Steff's buttons being pushed.)
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Post by Jaguar on Oct 27, 2013 16:34:54 GMT -5
*lol* Beep. Boop. Bip. Beep. (Steff's buttons being pushed.)
You are so freaking BAD.
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Post by Jaguar on Oct 27, 2013 16:36:01 GMT -5
Steff the art of dealing with Virgil is NEVER take him seriously.
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Post by steff on Oct 27, 2013 16:38:32 GMT -5
*lol* Beep. Boop. Bip. Beep. (Steff's buttons being pushed.) giving you a double shot of the universally known "You're #1" from this side of the screen
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Post by Opti on Oct 27, 2013 17:03:33 GMT -5
No worries Steff. Virgil loves to hate cats, anything to do with people and their cats, etc. Its his thing. Makes me want to write about the cats I met recently. I always find it helpful to make friends with the ranking cat in the household(the rest too, but never ignore cat#1 IMO.) Wonder if he hates Puss in Boots of Shrek fame. One of the cats has those Puss and Boots eyes. Beautiful. Back to our regularly scheduled programming, whatever it is.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Oct 27, 2013 17:49:29 GMT -5
The question of whether our pets love us is something I'm admittedly more skeptical of than most people.
By "love", I'm talking about love in a familial sense, such as a brother loving his sister, rather than a compulsive, addicted kind of love, the way that a die-hard fan "loves" his sports team, or the way a gourmand "can't live without" his food.
I don't differentiate between these types based on strength, since indeed many people love certain things so much that they'd rather die (or else would become extremely miserable) without them. I consider the main difference to be whether the love is a selfless love. An addiction is a love focused on the self. What's pleasurable and desirable to me. Familial love--the love I'm talking about--is an enduring, earnest desire to do what is good for the being who is loved, and to make this other happy.
Hence, do our pets love us in a selfless way, or are we just bags of meat that feed them and pet them and make them feel good? Would they love us just as much even if we were Roombas that coughed out food every once in a while?
For dogs, it's hard to deny that there's something there. I've seen enough stories of dogs behaving in an unambiguously selfless, even totally irrational manner. Dogs waiting forever by their owners' gravesites; dogs pulling their owners out of burning buildings; dogs that seem to "know" and sense depression in their owners; dogs that will endure abusive circumstances and exhibit loyalty. It seems to me that there must be a selfless component there. We aren't just walking machines that cough out food and administer rubs every once in a while. Or at least we aren't this to all dogs.
Cats... well. I've never owned a cat. Even if I do get one, it'll take a lot more to convince me. For example, it's an established fact that if a pet owner dies in a closed apartment and a dog is left alone with a toilet as a source of water but no source of food, the animal will wait until it is starving to death before it starts to consume its owner's carcass. Hence, selflessness. An almost irrational respect for the dead body. With cats: you're meat as soon as your dead body hits the ground. That's a fact.
You might say, "Oh well the cat is just being practical and acting on instinct." And it is. But there's no selfless love there. There's a cat eating you. Because you're dead and... might as well eat you if there's nothing else around.
There are far fewer stories of cats being heroic, and their acts of heroism are far more questionable. For example, a cat jumping and pawing at an owner in a house full of carbon monoxide. Is this the cat heroically risking its life to save its owner, or is it the cat thinking something is wrong and just running to the person it knows can "fix" wrong things the cat doesn't understand? And do cats mourn for people in irrational ways, like waiting at their grave sites, or do they just head to the places where they know that "that guy who snuggled me" used to snuggle them and sit around in the hope that their pet machine comes back?
I just don't see as much evidence of selfless love in cats. That might be because they aren't as social as dogs, or for a number of other reasons, but the evidence simply isn't there. And the problem is that as soon as people own a cat, they want with all their heart for the animal to reciprocate their love. They'd rather chew glass than believe the animal sees them as a food-n'-rubs machine and doesn't actually give a toot about them personally. The impulse to anthropomorphize is so strong, people's memories aren't even accurate. It's almost impossible to tell what you're getting out of a "my pet loves me so much because..." tale.
So yes, I am a bit of a skeptic on cats. And I'm not entirely sure how I can change that, because cats really aren't smart enough to do anything unambiguously selfless. They can't buy you a gift or bring you chicken soup when you're ill or write a song to cheer you up. They can snuggle you, but how do we know that's not just them snuggling up to the food-n'-rubs machine? How can we tell in a definitive way? I'm sorry, but "I just feel it with all my heart and soul." doesn't cut it for me. The heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked. Who can know it?
My thoughts, at any rate.
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Post by Jaguar on Oct 27, 2013 18:12:19 GMT -5
Virgil I've had cats in my life since I was 2 years old. When I was a little kid in the 70's one of my cats then was a female named Tiger. Every single night my mom would tell Tiger "take Sugi to bed", Tiger would do that. Tiger would stay with me till I fell asleep. Then she would prance downstairs and my mom knew I was asleep.
Basically Tiger babysat me. There is something there, that I know for sure.
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Oct 27, 2013 18:12:55 GMT -5
Just look at the cat abuse this guy. And you people complain I'm taking this too seriously. Awwww! Men-o-paws. The good kind.
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Post by AGB on Oct 27, 2013 18:55:28 GMT -5
So yes, I am a bit of a skeptic on cats. And I'm not entirely sure how I can change that, because cats really aren't smart enough to do anything unambiguously selfless. They can't buy you a gift or bring you chicken soup when you're ill or write a song to cheer you up. One of my cats used to bring me dead birds and baby bunnies, so there.
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Post by swamp on Oct 27, 2013 18:58:51 GMT -5
So yes, I am a bit of a skeptic on cats. And I'm not entirely sure how I can change that, because cats really aren't smart enough to do anything unambiguously selfless. They can't buy you a gift or bring you chicken soup when you're ill or write a song to cheer you up. One of my cats used to bring me dead birds and baby bunnies, so there. Mine used to bring me dead stuff too.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Oct 27, 2013 18:59:14 GMT -5
Virgil I've had cats in my life since I was 2 years old. When I was a little kid in the 70's one of my cats then was a female named Tiger. Every single night my mom would tell Tiger "take Sugi to bed", Tiger would do that. Tiger would stay with me till I fell asleep. Then she would prance downstairs and my mom knew I was asleep.
Basically Tiger babysat me. There is something there, that I know for sure.
I'm going to play devil's advocate, then. What was your exact routine? Did Tiger follow you up into your room, wait until you got under the covers, and then snuggle up next to you? I'll bet you were warm and always gave her some good rubs. So she stayed with you until you lost consciousness and she knew for certain there were no more rubs, then lost interest and headed back downstairs where the conscious food-n'-rubs machine (your mom) was situated. I'm sure you appreciated her company, but you say "there is something there; that I know for sure" and I want to know how you're sure? Were the circumstances in your room unpleasant such that Tiger wouldn't have followed you in there if it wasn't a selfless love? Did she just sit there and watch you, expecting nothing in return? If somebody else laid down in your bed, would she go to them as well? Or was it just an indescribable feeling you got that she was there specifically looking out for you, making a small sacrifice to see to your comfort and security? I certainly can't say that such a feeling is incorrect, since it might well be completely correct. But I just can't accept it as evidence that Tiger loved you selflessly unless there's some definitely selfless component to it.
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Post by swamp on Oct 27, 2013 19:26:15 GMT -5
Interesting that you're sure of Gods love even though you can't seem him and he doesn't give you snuggles and dead things.
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