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Post by Virgil Showlion on Oct 23, 2013 11:42:51 GMT -5
And you can train your rabbit to use a litter box. While my 3.5 yr old keeps telling me that he doesn't want to poop anywhere else but his diapers and I HAVE to change them Stop changing them promptly and I suspect he'll find the motivation.
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Post by Abby Normal on Oct 23, 2013 11:50:29 GMT -5
Yeah but when you put your kids in a crate for 8 hours a day CPS freaks the hell out. I was like "look lady, the only difference between that crate and a play pen is that they can't climb out of the crate.". Then she was all "deputy please cuff this asshole." It was bogus. I have a picture of DS sleeping in the dog crate at about the age of 3. He climbed in, called the dog in, closed the door (not locked) and they took a nap together. I'm not getting mother of the year for that photo.
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Post by lexxy703 on Oct 23, 2013 11:53:00 GMT -5
Yeah but when you put your kids in a crate for 8 hours a day CPS freaks the hell out. I was like "look lady, the only difference between that crate and a play pen is that they can't climb out of the crate.". Then she was all "deputy please cuff this asshole." It was bogus. I have a picture of DS sleeping in the dog crate at about the age of 3. He climbed in, called the dog in, closed the door (not locked) and they took a nap together. I'm not getting mother of the year for that photo. OMG I think it sounds adorable.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Oct 23, 2013 11:56:57 GMT -5
While my 3.5 yr old keeps telling me that he doesn't want to poop anywhere else but his diapers and I HAVE to change them Stop changing them promptly and I suspect he'll find the motivation. I would, but my DH would beat me up if there was an ounce of poop on any of our carpets. That and I also fear that kid will call 911 bc he thinks that having poop in his diaper is a true emergency.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 23, 2013 12:05:00 GMT -5
And you can train your rabbit to use a litter box. While my 3.5 yr old keeps telling me that he doesn't want to poop anywhere else but his diapers and I HAVE to change them To him, ìt's warm and familiar.
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Post by Tiny on Oct 23, 2013 12:35:49 GMT -5
LOL! As Loki (in the Avenger's) so plainly and brilliantly pointed out - humans like to 'do what they are told to do'. see also Millgram's experiment. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/smiley.png) Pets (or children) in charge are just an extension of this... it's HARD for adults to go against nature and assume control. <-- that's sarcasm based on a bit of truth about human nature just in case anyone thought I was being serious... I've got two cats who's job it is to "sit in windows and patches of sunlight, look cute, play, eat, sleep, use the litter box, and in general hinder, i mean help, me in any way they can"... They are very good at their jobs.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2013 12:37:03 GMT -5
This is fam's dog typing. Virgil, I'm highly insulted! *sent from fam's dog's Nexus 7*
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Post by Icelandic Woman on Oct 23, 2013 12:48:54 GMT -5
Good grief Virgil After reading your post the first thing that came to my mind is "Who pissed in his cornflakes?". Most people consider their pets a part of their family. I believe that is the way it should be. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/grin.png)
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Oct 23, 2013 12:53:10 GMT -5
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 23, 2013 13:38:12 GMT -5
Good grief Virgil After reading your post the first thing that came to my mind is "Who pissed in his cornflakes?". Most people consider their pets a part of their family. I believe that is the way it should be. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/grin.png) I'm guessing it must have been his dog. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/tongue.png) Maybe Virgil's dog mistook the red pants he wore today for a fire hydrant, lifted its leg and....well you all know the soggy next step.. ![](http://www.behindthelens.ca/blog/images/20080130213048_d70-260107-000205_red_hydrant.jpg)
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Post by Jaguar on Oct 23, 2013 13:54:21 GMT -5
Virgil didn't your pet snow leopards kissy you this morning, ah you poor, poor baby.
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Post by steff on Oct 23, 2013 13:55:53 GMT -5
I had the same cat for 20 years. I was there when she was born & I held her when she passed. Any animal (human, cat, dog, etc) that is in your life for 20 years isn't just a pet. They ARE family in every sense of the word. They are there for your highs & lows. They comfort you, tease you, bring you joy, frustration, entertainment, laughter and above all love.
When my MooMoo passed, my entire family was affected by it. My brothers couldn't remember a time in their childhoods that she wasn't there. she was the first pet my son ever came into contact with. She was there before I got married and even my hubby would didn't think cats should sleep in the bed realized she was there first and was going to sleep next to me. And you know what....we had a full blown funeral for her. My brothers & son built her coffin together. She has a headstone (which has moved with me since we're not where she is buried). She is still talked about with great love.
When my son broke his knee, we got him his little doggie. When he spent 12 weeks confined his little doggie kept him company, made him laugh, gave him joy & made that time much easier for him. No human could have given kiddo the same non stop attention & joy in that situation.
pets bring joy & company to the elderly also. Sometimes it's the only thing they see every day. For some it's the ONLY interaction they ever get. They give unconditional love & bring a great amount of joy.
Just because you don't get it, doesn't mean that it's wrong or somehow odd. Pet lovers give care and get back more than they give in love & comfort. pets are not just animals, they ARE family.
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Post by lexxy703 on Oct 23, 2013 14:04:28 GMT -5
Aww Steff your post made me get all teary.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Oct 23, 2013 14:10:57 GMT -5
I'm not claiming that pets aren't part of a family. I'm criticizing the notions that pets own people, pets adopt people, pets are co-equal to their owners, pets are smarter than their owners, or pets enjoy a position of greater authority and/or prominence than their owners. None of these notions are accurate, and taking them too seriously is foolishness.
I have nothing against owning, loving, and cherishing pets.
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Post by Jaguar on Oct 23, 2013 14:16:28 GMT -5
Those businesses pray on our love for pets. It's a marketing gimmick and sadly it does work. So much money is put into research and such.
Virgil did you go to Timmy's today ?
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Post by steff on Oct 23, 2013 14:18:44 GMT -5
I'm not claiming that pets aren't part of a family. I'm criticizing the notions that pets own people, pets adopt people, pets are co-equal to their owners, pets are smarter than their owners, or pets enjoy a position of greater authority and/or prominence than their owners. None of these notions are accurate, and taking them too seriously is foolishness. I have nothing against owning, loving, and cherishing pets. Have you ever read up on how smart dogs really are? It's not a stretch to think that some animals ARE smarter than humans.
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Oct 23, 2013 14:21:01 GMT -5
Good grief Virgil After reading your post the first thing that came to my mind is "Who pissed in his cornflakes?". Most people consider their pets a part of their family. I believe that is the way it should be. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/grin.png) Could be that the milk was sour, and just tasted like piss in his cornflakes. ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/rofl.gif)
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Oct 23, 2013 14:46:50 GMT -5
I'm not claiming that pets aren't part of a family. I'm criticizing the notions that pets own people, pets adopt people, pets are co-equal to their owners, pets are smarter than their owners, or pets enjoy a position of greater authority and/or prominence than their owners. None of these notions are accurate, and taking them too seriously is foolishness. I have nothing against owning, loving, and cherishing pets. Have you ever read up on how smart dogs really are? It's not a stretch to think that some animals ARE smarter than humans. Find me a dog that can read a letter, write a memo, fill out a budget spreadsheet, cook, drive, do a load of laundry, set time on a clock, fill out a tax form, vacuum a house, change a diaper, stoke a fire, wash dishes, draw a picture, order a pizza online, rescue an injured bird, clean a washroom, shop for groceries, or conduct any of the hundreds of other mundane activities--in a self-directed and unsupervised manner--that virtually every North American adult performs on a daily basis. Then we would have to look beyond skill-based intelligences to more abstract concepts such as mathematics, logic, creativity, philosophy, drama, governance, industry, spirituality, etc., in which dogs have never demonstrated any aptitude or comprehension whatsoever. And finally we would have to examine the most basic metrics that quantify general intelligence: improvisation, adaptation, abstraction, persistence of thought, pattern recognition, knowledge synthesis, among dozens of others, wherein even humans suffering from the severest forms mental retardation often still markedly outperform animals. If you want to quantify intelligence purely by a creature's aptitude in a single task for which it is uniquely gifted, such as a cuttlefish's ability to camouflage itself, or a dog's ability to smell out and track down prey, then I suppose your statement stands. By any measure of general intelligence, however, we blow dogs out of the water so markedly that it's barely worth making the comparison. We shouldn't take that fact for granted.
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Post by steff on Oct 23, 2013 14:49:03 GMT -5
Have you ever read up on how smart dogs really are? It's not a stretch to think that some animals ARE smarter than humans. Find me a dog that can read a letter, write a memo, fill out a budget spreadsheet, cook, drive, do a load of laundry, set time on a clock, fill out a tax form, vacuum a house, change a diaper, stoke a fire, wash dishes, draw a picture, order a pizza online, rescue an injured bird, clean a washroom, shop for groceries, or conduct any of the hundreds of other mundane activities--in a self-directed and unsupervised manner--that virtually every North American adult performs on a daily basis. Then we would have to look beyond skill-based intelligences to more abstract concepts such as mathematics, logic, creativity, philosophy, drama, governance, industry, spirituality, etc., in which dogs have never demonstrated any aptitude or comprehension whatsoever. And finally we would have to examine the most basic metrics that quantify general intelligence: improvisation, adaptation, abstraction, persistence of thought, pattern recognition, knowledge synthesis, among dozens of others, wherein even humans suffering from the severest forms mental retardation often still markedly outperform animals. If you want to quantify intelligence purely by a creature's aptitude in a single task for which it is uniquely gifted, such as a cuttlefish's ability to camouflage itself, or a dog's ability to smell out and track down prey, then I suppose your statement stands. By any measure of general intelligence, however, we blow dogs out of the water so markedly that it's barely worth making the comparison. We shouldn't take that fact for granted. You just don't get it & never will. sometimes being logical isn't as important as being caring, loving & a joy to be around.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Oct 23, 2013 14:58:06 GMT -5
Who's disputing that?
Your statement was "It's not a stretch to think that some animals ARE smarter than humans."
If you're defining "smart" as "being caring, loving & a joy to be around", then fine, some animals certainly are smarter than humans. But you've botched the definition of "smart".
This isn't a rehash of that "Do pets have emotions?" thread from a few months ago. It's not a critique of their emotions, nor is it a critique of their capacity to love (which I know is a topic you felt extremely strongly about), nor is it even a critique of their intellect other than to say that by any reasonable general definition, they simply aren't as intelligent as us.
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Oct 23, 2013 15:14:33 GMT -5
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Oct 23, 2013 15:17:57 GMT -5
Ours pets are there to love us unconditionally and if we return that love they will stay with us and performing what they do best just unconditional love all their lives. That is worth more then the other things all rolled up together. We as people can do all the rest, we just need their love as they need ours. I had BJ with me one day at a mower shop and was buying parts, no leash. He comes in lays down by me. I looked at him and saw he was a bit in the way of traffic. I never paid any attention to other folks. I said to him, BJ, you know you are really in the way I think you need to move over here, I did not gesture just by voice. He gets up and moves over. Some guys had been watching and said he understands and minds better then most kids, true enough. He is a smart dog. He is part lab and Doberman, I've also had guys say I bet that dog would fight anyone that touched you, but that I kind of doubt he is a lover not a fighter but you never know. Still he is my 65 pound baby. Pets are wonderful. Maybe I'm coming out as anti-pet in my criticism somehow. That's not the intent of my posts at all.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Oct 23, 2013 15:18:46 GMT -5
If you go to Wal-mart on a Saturday you'll be saying that animals are smarter than people. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/tongue.png)
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Post by steff on Oct 23, 2013 15:19:47 GMT -5
Being smart doesn't make you better than anyone else...not even an animal.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2013 15:20:14 GMT -5
I get what you're saying Virgil!
Pets have an innate sense when it comes to filling their owners emotional needs. But that does not equal intelligence. Well, not the definition you're going with anyway.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Oct 23, 2013 15:23:51 GMT -5
If you go to Wal-mart on a Saturday you'll be saying that animals are smarter than people. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/tongue.png) Garfield demonstrated by throwing a pair of smelly, disgusting sweat socks that rocks are in fact smarter than dogs in some situations. ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/tongue2.png)
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Oct 23, 2013 15:59:41 GMT -5
No, but my ability to wipe my ass without using the living room carpet is a pretty big plus in my column.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Oct 23, 2013 16:29:04 GMT -5
No, but my ability to wipe my ass without using the living room carpet is a pretty big plus in my column. Showoff. ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/yeahright.png)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2013 17:32:30 GMT -5
No, but my ability to wipe my ass without using the living room carpet is a pretty big plus in my column. Showoff. ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/yeahright.png) ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/muhaha.png) I find it distressing when I see dogs out walking their people.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Oct 23, 2013 17:36:43 GMT -5
No, but my ability to wipe my ass without using the living room carpet is a pretty big plus in my column. I don't even know what this thread is about but this just caused me spit pepsi all over my monitor ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/rofl.gif)
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