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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Dec 11, 2014 16:08:12 GMT -5
Isn't "Obamacare" fully funded in the next budget? The longer it goes the less likely it is to be repealed. it is part of the continuing resolution. and it will go on for at least 2 years, unless congress goes for a total, 100% shutdown of the government. that would be everything, including DC and the military. so, yeah, it is here through 2017, at least. The omnibus bill just failed, with 100% of Democrats voting against it. I guess the Democrats want to shut down the government?
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Dec 11, 2014 16:25:35 GMT -5
Anyone think it's odd that CitiCorp wrote some of this bill, word for word, to ease banking regulation? Get the fox out of the hen house!
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 11, 2014 16:37:38 GMT -5
it is part of the continuing resolution. and it will go on for at least 2 years, unless congress goes for a total, 100% shutdown of the government. that would be everything, including DC and the military. so, yeah, it is here through 2017, at least. The omnibus bill just failed, with 100% of Democrats voting against it. I guess the Democrats want to shut down the government? close enough. honestly didn't think they had the balls. must have borrowed some from the GOP.
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Post by dondub on Dec 11, 2014 16:39:26 GMT -5
Of course the demos don't want to shut down the government and any intimation is, of course, ludicrous. They just opposed the Citigroup amendment added 11th hour.
The repos seem to love Citigroup as the same company's big boo-boo caused the Gramm~Leach~Bliley Act and the gutting of Glass~Steagall. We know what happened then.
I guess they so enjoyed their Crash they want another one. That's it, the Repos want to crash the Obama recovery!
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 11, 2014 16:50:45 GMT -5
Of course the demos don't want to shut down the government and any intimation is, of course, ludicrous. They just opposed the Citigroup amendment added 11th hour.
The repos seem to love Citigroup as the same company's big boo-boo caused the Gramm~Leach~Bliley Act and the gutting of Glass~Steagall. We know what happened then.
I guess they so enjoyed their Crash they want another one. That's it, the Repos want to crash the Obama recovery! the same could be true of Republicans, don- which is why Paul said that. he could say that the GOP doesn't actually want to shut down the government, they just want their spending priorities met. the only problem with that logic is that Heritage actually DOES want the government shutdown, and they did the last time. and Heritage is a very big deal in GOP politics.
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Post by dondub on Dec 11, 2014 18:02:04 GMT -5
Citigroup...rhymes with poop.
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Post by dondub on Dec 11, 2014 18:29:34 GMT -5
Is it true this Repo bill is 16,000 pages and weighs 60lbs.? is this the smaller government clique?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2014 19:25:18 GMT -5
ObamaCare is a permanent part of the political landscape. it will forever be with us in some shape and form. Hopefully only as a historical notation along the lines of "Don't do something this stupid and damaging to the country ever again".
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Post by EVT1 on Dec 11, 2014 20:15:10 GMT -5
I think the lesson is if you are really out to reform something then you cannot start by placating stakeholders of the status quo by giving them a seat at the table and letting them help write the law. You start from scratch with a solid plan and anyone not making the cut gets shown the door. In this case real healthcare reform died with the public option.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Dec 11, 2014 20:55:42 GMT -5
They want to go home for the holidays. Maybe they'll pass an extension. I don't expect this congress to ever do any real work. Hell bent on making Obama look bad and get themselves elected. I've lost faith in politicians.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2014 20:57:12 GMT -5
The second Obamacare included "insurance" (from private insurance companies) it stopped even being about "healthcare". Read it very carefully, and anyone with open eyes can see that. Everything is "Insurance will do this", "Insurance can no longer do that", "Everyone must have insurance or pay [an illegal] fine", "We'll set up insurance boards that control this", et cetera.
The word "Insurance" may not be in every paragraph, but it's traceable into every facet of Obamacare.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2014 20:58:36 GMT -5
They want to go home for the holidays. Maybe they'll pass an extension. I don't expect this congress to ever do any real work. Hell bent on making Obama look bad and get themselves elected. I've lost faith in politicians. To be fair, they didn't have to work hard to make Obama look bad. He did most of the work himself. All they had to do was say "We aren't him, we don't like him".
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Dec 11, 2014 21:17:32 GMT -5
@richardintn
I disagree. He has much more responsibility and has been making decisions while they waste time arguing and getting little done. You can't be wrong if you don't make any decision. Seems to be the way congress thinks.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2014 21:21:19 GMT -5
@richardintn I disagree. He has much more responsibility and has been making decisions while they waste time arguing and getting little done. You can't be wrong if you don't make any decision. Seems to be the way congress thinks. Making bad decisions is rarely better than making no decision. Sometimes "getting little done" (Or nothing) is better than getting the wrong thing done (my favorite example: Obamacare), if that wrong thing only makes things worse. ETA: and I never said he didn't have much more responsibility or that he hasn't been making decisions... did I? The fact that he HAS been making decisions is how he did most of the work making himself look so bad.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 11, 2014 21:26:30 GMT -5
ObamaCare is a permanent part of the political landscape. it will forever be with us in some shape and form. Hopefully only as a historical notation along the lines of "Don't do something this stupid and damaging to the country ever again". hope whatever you like. but i would stake high odds it is permanent.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2014 21:29:40 GMT -5
Hopefully only as a historical notation along the lines of "Don't do something this stupid and damaging to the country ever again". hope whatever you like. but i would stake high odds it is permanent. Oh, that hope is that the lesson is permanent too!
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Dec 11, 2014 21:33:34 GMT -5
@richardintn I disagree. He has much more responsibility and has been making decisions while they waste time arguing and getting little done. You can't be wrong if you don't make any decision. Seems to be the way congress thinks. Making bad decisions is rarely better than making no decision. Sometimes "getting little done" (Or nothing) is better than getting the wrong thing done (my favorite example: Obamacare), if that wrong thing only makes things worse. ETA: and I never said he didn't have much more responsibility or that he hasn't been making decisions... did I? The fact that he HAS been making decisions is how he did most of the work making himself look so bad. Then you must have a very low opinion of the Bush administration.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2014 23:05:16 GMT -5
Making bad decisions is rarely better than making no decision. Sometimes "getting little done" (Or nothing) is better than getting the wrong thing done (my favorite example: Obamacare), if that wrong thing only makes things worse. ETA: and I never said he didn't have much more responsibility or that he hasn't been making decisions... did I? The fact that he HAS been making decisions is how he did most of the work making himself look so bad. Then you must have a very low opinion of the Bush administration. As a matter of fact... I do. Not quite as low as my opinion of the Obama administration... but quite low indeed.
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Post by dondub on Dec 11, 2014 23:45:13 GMT -5
All they had to do was say "We aren't him, we don't like him".
We don't even look like him.
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Post by EVT1 on Dec 11, 2014 23:52:30 GMT -5
The second Obamacare included "insurance" (from private insurance companies) it stopped even being about "healthcare". Read it very carefully, and anyone with open eyes can see that. Everything is "Insurance will do this", "Insurance can no longer do that", "Everyone must have insurance or pay [an illegal] fine", "We'll set up insurance boards that control this", et cetera. The word "Insurance" may not be in every paragraph, but it's traceable into every facet of Obamacare. Of course it did- insurance companies wrote the majority of the bill. Real reform would have put them out of business.
They held us hostage and their plan was since the GOP plan was to force a mandate from healthy people and in turn they quit fucking people over due to 'pre-existing conditions' and all of the other inhumane shit they were doing. So here we are- you are living the GOP healthcare plan- how do you like it?
And my favorite- just what in the hell is the GOP going to come up with to replace it? NOTHING- there is nothing- we had the old plan, we now have the GOP plan- so what now?
Repeal and mumblemumblemumble- their stooges will vote for it if they think the Mexicans are getting something. Waiting for the GOP health care plan- aka known as fuck the poor!
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Dec 12, 2014 23:33:19 GMT -5
I'm not going to go and re-hash the fact that Democrats, and especially Franklin Rains, Kent Conrad, and Chris "Countrywide" Dodd of Dodd-Frank fame was at the center of the Countrywide loan scandal, and subsequent collapse of Countrywide Home Loans. I'll just post a quick reminder of how the mess started- with government getting into the act under Jimmy Carter with the "Community Reinvestment Act of 1977" and ended with the total corruption of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. www.nber.org/papers/w18609 - Study says CRA induced banks to make risky loans. www.entrepreneur.com/article/196180 - Kent Conrad, Chris Dodd and the many, many "Friends of Angelo" at Countrywide
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Post by dondub on Dec 13, 2014 0:27:38 GMT -5
As I recall from inside the industry, only 24 out of the 25 sub-prime lenders were actually beholden to the CRA. It's always been a laughable blame laying by the Repos that Carter had a major hand in their deregulated greed crash of 2007-08. But that's how the party of personal responsibility really rolls. Just blame the other side and forget that they were neck deep. Their minions will suck that up like cheap whiskey.
As I have stated numerous times over the years...only Fed Chairman Greenspan ever admitted they were responsible for the cheap credit bubble, started over 30 years after Jimmy went back to the peanuts, that crashed the economy and still threatens the entire globe. Sure, Jimmy makes a great scapegoat for those that are clueless, but really, Gramm-Leach-Bliley had way more to do with what happened. As that was the prize bill of the deregulating Repo senate, intended for bailing out the same Citigroup they are still on their knees for, do you really think they would ever admit it if they can blame anyone else?
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 13, 2014 0:31:06 GMT -5
I'm not going to go and re-hash the fact that Democrats, and especially Franklin Rains, Kent Conrad, and Chris "Countrywide" Dodd of Dodd-Frank fame was at the center of the Countrywide loan scandal, and subsequent collapse of Countrywide Home Loans. I'll just post a quick reminder of how the mess started- with government getting into the act under Jimmy Carter with the "Community Reinvestment Act of 1977" and ended with the total corruption of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. www.nber.org/papers/w18609 - Study says CRA induced banks to make risky loans. www.entrepreneur.com/article/196180 - Kent Conrad, Chris Dodd and the many, many "Friends of Angelo" at Countrywide who voted for the bank rider today? the GOP and about 1/4 of the Democrats. plenty of egg on both sides. but more on the GOP.
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Post by OldCoyote on Dec 13, 2014 8:13:36 GMT -5
What? The do nothing party did something, but it was wrong?
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Post by OldCoyote on Dec 13, 2014 8:28:36 GMT -5
We are what $18,000,000,000 indebt, we are not taking in anywhere near enough income, We are borrowing the difference, Just what is wrong with this picture. If this was your personal financial situation, how would that be working out for you? It ain't no different. It just shows that we have fools and idiots representing us, If continue to go along with this, we are no better than them.
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Post by OldCoyote on Dec 13, 2014 8:57:34 GMT -5
OK. Obama's recovery, Hmmm, How many trillion of dollars, how many years for this so called recovery?
I remember now, this is caused by the Do Nothing Repo Not the My Way or No way Demos, Right? It was caused by both sides!
This recovery is because small business, and people are finding ways to make money and succeed in spite of the Government hindrances.
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Post by OldCoyote on Dec 13, 2014 9:03:48 GMT -5
Never ceases to amaze me that when the author of obamacare stands up, says We lied, If we had not lied you would not have past it.
you vote on it not reading a single page, The financial repercussions of Obamacare will make the housing crises look like a cake walk.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 13, 2014 13:22:52 GMT -5
Never ceases to amaze me that when the author of obamacare stands up, says We lied, If we had not lied you would not have past it. you vote on it not reading a single page, The financial repercussions of Obamacare will make the housing crises look like a cake walk. what was the cost of the housing crisis?
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Post by tallguy on Dec 13, 2014 14:26:36 GMT -5
I take it as a given that neither party is going to be fiscally or financially responsible. The difference is in where they blow the money. And given that, I would suggest it is better to blow a trillion dollars helping people who need it rather than people who don't. (It at least feels better and allows us to maintain the illusion that we are a civilized society.)
A major problem with politics is the same as a major problem with sports. There is too much money in it. That corrupts the process. We may be able to overcome that, but it would require better people running for office, and smarter people voting for them. I'm not optimistic.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2014 19:28:40 GMT -5
I take it as a given that neither party is going to be fiscally or financially responsible. The difference is in where they blow the money. And given that, I would suggest it is better to blow a trillion dollars helping people who need it rather than people who don't. (It at least feels better and allows us to maintain the illusion that we are a civilized society.)
A major problem with politics is the same as a major problem with sports. There is too much money in it. That corrupts the process. We may be able to overcome that, but it would require better people running for office, and smarter people voting for them. I'm not optimistic. A lot of people don't realize this, but we already have "better people running for office"... they just can't win because too many people throw away their votes using the following BS justifications: - he's/she's male/female
- he's/she's {insert race here}
- he's/she's {insert religion here}
- he's/she's {insert party here}
- he's/she's the best of two bad options, when there's actually MORE than JUST TWO options.
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