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Post by Value Buy on Nov 12, 2013 10:32:09 GMT -5
WSJ is reporting about 35,000 people have signed up in October. The White House did not confirm, or deny. That is about 7,000 per state, if we do not count Puerto Rico. Is Puerto Rico also covered by the UCA (UNAFFORDABLE CARE ACT)?
This is actually a better number than I thought. Someone, somehow, is getting through to the site.
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Post by workpublic on Nov 12, 2013 10:39:01 GMT -5
i signed up last week, by phone. i haven't received any info from the insurance company(fidelis) yet. i was number 000000023623. NYS. gold plan $477 with a $200 hundred something subsidy. will get the firm numbers when i get more info. if it pans out as promised i will be happy as a pig in .. well you know.
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Post by Value Buy on Nov 12, 2013 10:43:40 GMT -5
i signed up last week, by phone. i haven't received any info from the insurance company(fidelis) yet. i was number 000000023623. NYS. gold plan $477 with a $200 hundred something subsidy. will get the firm numbers when i get more info. if it pans out as promised i will be happy as a pig in .. well you know. Welcome to the government pig trough! You are now at a minimum, a blue dog Democrat.
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Post by mmhmm on Nov 12, 2013 10:55:34 GMT -5
Two splendid contributions there. The discourse is so elevated it becomes hard to breathe. Be better than me before you lecture me, thanks. Take your own advice, phoenix. You're not better than anyone here; yet, you are lecturing. When you feel you are lectured, you object. That isn't going to fly. That said, let's get off the subject of each other and back on the subject of the thread. Any more posts intimating those who don't agree with one are stupid will be removed. You can discuss without insulting. mmhmm, P&M Moderator ETA: I see you've steered away from the insults on your own, guys. Let's try to keep it that way. I was a page back when I made this post.
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Post by Angel! on Nov 12, 2013 12:41:50 GMT -5
I'm so sad you changed the title I liked to read the previous title as "Obamacare: PBP's Full Blown Meltdown"
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Nov 12, 2013 13:29:48 GMT -5
Democrats have options, but none that save their party from Obama in the near-term. Obama holds all the cards. If there is a thermonuclear exchange within the party such as the one you've outlined here- that will be the end of the Democratic Party for a generation. Of course, my prediction is that Obama's "Jimmy Carter II" leadership is going to cause an implosion at some point anyway. I think ObamaCare is going to be a Democrat albatross for a generation anyway- the only question is will they rip the band-aid off no matter what they have to do, or will it linger, twisting in the wind for- well, ever? We're not going single payer. The response to the Democrats complete and utter healthcare fuck up is not going to be for Americans to trust them with one-size-fits-all government run healthcare from Washington, D.C. This thing is going away- and the sooner the Democrats realize that it's going to have to substantively disappear- the better for them. If they leave it to the GOP to repeal it-- which is what they want, they can save some face by basically lying about it and saying it would have been great if it weren't for the obstructionist GOP. However, the politics of this disaster might leave the Democrats no choice but to take the initiative to rid the country of this mess. I frankly think Obama and the Democrats are way beyond spinning, or massaging this thing into something politically palatable- it's over. They need to take the bitter medicine of repeal on as their responsibility to do sooner rather than later.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Nov 12, 2013 15:00:35 GMT -5
I guess it's nuclear war then...
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Nov 12, 2013 18:12:50 GMT -5
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 12, 2013 19:33:32 GMT -5
50,000 is fewer than 500,000.
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Post by Malarky on Nov 12, 2013 20:01:37 GMT -5
So let's say that the law is repealed tomorrow. Obamacare is no longer an option.
What happens to all the people who've been tossed off their plans? Can the toothpaste be stuffed back in the tube? Do insurance companies write off all the time and effort put into trying to comply with the new rules and just go back to where they started?
For the record, I am vehemently opposed to this travesty. I've always thought it was a bad idea.
But some elements are already in play. I can't quite conceive of what happens next if it comes to an abrupt halt at this point.
If it goes forward, I actually can see some what will/could happen, and believe it's going to be ugly.
I'm genuinely curious about your opinions on this. And I apologize if this has already been addressed. I skipped (quite) a few pages of the thread. I don't have as much time to keep up here as I used to.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 12, 2013 20:19:58 GMT -5
So let's say that the law is repealed tomorrow. Obamacare is no longer an option. What happens to all the people who've been tossed off their plans? Can the toothpaste be stuffed back in the tube? Do insurance companies write off all the time and effort put into trying to comply with the new rules and just go back to where they started? For the record, I am vehemently opposed to this travesty. I've always thought it was a bad idea. But some elements are already in play. I can't quite conceive of what happens next if it comes to an abrupt halt at this point. If it goes forward, I actually can see some what will/could happen, and believe it's going to be ugly. I'm genuinely curious about your opinions on this. And I apologize if this has already been addressed. I skipped (quite) a few pages of the thread. I don't have as much time to keep up here as I used to. welcome back, Malarkey!
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Nov 12, 2013 20:26:52 GMT -5
So let's say that the law is repealed tomorrow. Obamacare is no longer an option. What happens to all the people who've been tossed off their plans? Can the toothpaste be stuffed back in the tube? Do insurance companies write off all the time and effort put into trying to comply with the new rules and just go back to where they started? For the record, I am vehemently opposed to this travesty. I've always thought it was a bad idea. But some elements are already in play. I can't quite conceive of what happens next if it comes to an abrupt halt at this point. If it goes forward, I actually can see some what will/could happen, and believe it's going to be ugly. I'm genuinely curious about your opinions on this. And I apologize if this has already been addressed. I skipped (quite) a few pages of the thread. I don't have as much time to keep up here as I used to. Well, let's put it this way- it can't get worse. This thing must go- and it must go in its entirety.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 12, 2013 20:34:20 GMT -5
So let's say that the law is repealed tomorrow. Obamacare is no longer an option. What happens to all the people who've been tossed off their plans? Can the toothpaste be stuffed back in the tube? Do insurance companies write off all the time and effort put into trying to comply with the new rules and just go back to where they started? For the record, I am vehemently opposed to this travesty. I've always thought it was a bad idea. But some elements are already in play. I can't quite conceive of what happens next if it comes to an abrupt halt at this point. If it goes forward, I actually can see some what will/could happen, and believe it's going to be ugly. I'm genuinely curious about your opinions on this. And I apologize if this has already been addressed. I skipped (quite) a few pages of the thread. I don't have as much time to keep up here as I used to. Well, let's put it this way- it can't get worse. This thing must go- and it must go in its entirety. let me know when you get realistic. there is no way people are going to give up favored provisions of this bill.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Nov 12, 2013 22:42:22 GMT -5
Paying for slut's birth control. I seem to recall someone warning us about this- oh, yeah- it was Rush Limbaugh who took a lot of heat for saying essentially what this ad for ObamaCare says:
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Nov 12, 2013 22:50:31 GMT -5
Well, let's put it this way- it can't get worse. This thing must go- and it must go in its entirety. let me know when you get realistic. there is no way people are going to give up favored provisions of this bill. I never said they would. The problem is that the law doesn't contain any favored provisions when you factor in the consequence of losing your health insurance AND your doctor. Popular provision #1: Keep your kid on your plan until 26. Great- but you can't keep your plan so it doesn't matter. Popular provision #2: Cannot be denied coverage for pre-existing conditions. Whooo! That'll be $12,000 a year. Popular provision #3: No lifetime limits- or "caps". Again, premiums through the roof. Given that all roads lead to "your plan is canceled", "your premiums have skyrocketed", or "your doctor / hospital / specialist is no longer 'in our network'". All of which amount to you can't keep your plan or your doctor- there are effectively NO 'popular provisions'. You do get this right? You do understand what's happening with the bill, don't you? You do realize that there's virtually NOTHING good for a SINGLE PERSON in this bill. If there was, MSNBC would have found her already and they'd be interviewing her 24 hours a day. This is a TRAIN WRECK. It's over- the only question is will Democrats deal with it like politicians who actually care about being re-elected, or will they toss an election like they did the 2010 mid-terms and figure on making up the ground later with some other distraction like "immigration reform"? The trouble with option b is that this isn't an issue- as I said in your other thread- that can or will be quickly glossed over and forgotten.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 12, 2013 23:40:44 GMT -5
let me know when you get realistic. there is no way people are going to give up favored provisions of this bill. I never said they would. The problem is that the law doesn't contain any favored provisions when you factor in the consequence of losing your health insurance AND your doctor. what % fall into that category?Popular provision #1: Keep your kid on your plan until 26. Great- but you can't keep your plan so it doesn't matter. Popular provision #2: Cannot be denied coverage for pre-existing conditions. Whooo! That'll be $12,000 a year. Popular provision #3: No lifetime limits- or "caps". Again, premiums through the roof. my insurance already has that. it is costly, but not "through the roof".Given that all roads lead to "your plan is canceled", "your premiums have skyrocketed", or "your doctor / hospital / specialist is no longer 'in our network'". All of which amount to you can't keep your plan or your doctor- there are effectively NO 'popular provisions'. my insurance has been up in single digits the last two years. the forecast is that it will be unchanged this year.You do get this right? You do understand what's happening with the bill, don't you? You do realize that there's virtually NOTHING good for a SINGLE PERSON in this bill. If there was, MSNBC would have found her already and they'd be interviewing her 24 hours a day. i don't really know, Paul. as a middle-aged married guy, i know very few single people. i am certainly not going to take your word for it, but i have nothing to contest what you are saying with, either.This is a TRAIN WRECK. It's over- the only question is will Democrats deal with it like politicians who actually care about being re-elected, or will they toss an election like they did the 2010 mid-terms and figure on making up the ground later with some other distraction like "immigration reform"? The trouble with option b is that this isn't an issue- as I said in your other thread- that can or will be quickly glossed over and forgotten. yeah, you keep saying that. we'll see.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 12, 2013 23:44:19 GMT -5
Paying for slut's birth control. not everyone who uses birth control is a "slut". my wife and i used it for many years before we decided to have children. you and Rush should really grow up.
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Post by EVT1 on Nov 13, 2013 0:27:46 GMT -5
Paying for slut's birth control. not everyone who uses birth control is a "slut". my wife and i used it for many years before we decided to have children. you and Rush should really grow up. That's about as far as it gets with these types. Women are dumb sluts that cannot be left in control of their sexual organs- what they need is legislation and government oversight- that will teach them to have sex. I really do not get the unhealthy obsession these people have- and worse how they are popular enough to have an audience or voters electing them. The ads though- sheesh. I guess that's what happens when you legalize weed.
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Post by bimetalaupt on Nov 13, 2013 7:55:25 GMT -5
Wonder who funded it, possibly a branch of the Koch brothers, they fund all kinds of that stuff under shell outfits. Pat, What ObamaCare needs is for the 18-24 y/o to get a well paying job. How about a 6% growth in GDP with low inflation. M3 has been growing at 9%...Now we need except of Volatility of money.. Saving growth last month was 4.9%... V1 = 7 would be just fine...We needed to fine long term growth in large projects... We will need far more Hospitals, power grid development, better rail road TRACK development for the next generation 350,000 lbs TANK CARS and Major Growth in R& ..Spend our way out of this too slow growth.. Just a thought, BiMetalAuPt
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Nov 13, 2013 8:20:12 GMT -5
*@palmbeachpaul, you know the rule on photoshops. - mmhmm, P&M Moderator
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Post by usaone on Nov 13, 2013 8:54:51 GMT -5
Wonder who funded it, possibly a branch of the Koch brothers, they fund all kinds of that stuff under shell outfits. Pat, What ObamaCare needs is for the 18-24 y/o to get a well paying job. How about a 6% growth in GDP with low inflation. M3 has been growing at 9%...Now we need except of Volatility of money.. Saving growth last month was 4.9%... V1 = 7 would be just fine...We needed to fine long term growth in large projects... We will need far more Hospitals, power grid development, better rail road TRACK development for the next generation 350,000 lbs TANK CARS and Major Growth in R& ..Spend our way out of this too slow growth.. Just a thought, BiMetalAuPt We need an government war on infrastructure. Similar to what Reagan did with military spending in the early 1980's. Get all those construction workers back to work.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Nov 13, 2013 9:05:38 GMT -5
Pat, What ObamaCare needs is for the 18-24 y/o to get a well paying job. How about a 6% growth in GDP with low inflation. M3 has been growing at 9%...Now we need except of Volatility of money.. Saving growth last month was 4.9%... V1 = 7 would be just fine...We needed to fine long term growth in large projects... We will need far more Hospitals, power grid development, better rail road TRACK development for the next generation 350,000 lbs TANK CARS and Major Growth in R& ..Spend our way out of this too slow growth.. Just a thought, BiMetalAuPt We need an government war on infrastructure. Similar to what Reagan did with military spending in the early 1980's. Get all those construction workers back to work. Are you saying the Reagan economic boom- the greatest peacetime economic expansion in human history- was driven by military spending? Gimme a break. Reagan took money from the public sector and let the private sector keep it and direct it.
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