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Post by thyme4change on Oct 3, 2013 20:26:37 GMT -5
This is a question for the people who defended my son's right to play a lot of video games. I have some questions.
- Do you have limits on your child's video game time? - Do you have acceptable times during the day or week, and mandatory non-video game hours? - Do you monitor their playing? Do they ever use the computer / iPad / xBox to not play, but instead watch video games being played by others? (Posted videos) Is that okay, is that the same as TV? - Do you ever feel that your child has an unhealthy obsession with video games? - Is it okay for the child to choose video games over other activities - like playing outside, joining a team, etc?
I'm very conflicted. I can't make your previous statements jive with a healthy lifestyle. I don't know what I'm doing wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2013 20:28:49 GMT -5
tell him if he ever wants to touch real boobies he needs to get off the couch and get on the ball field.
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Post by thyme4change on Oct 3, 2013 20:30:27 GMT -5
I will try that - but some days, girls still have cooties
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Post by swamp on Oct 3, 2013 20:32:53 GMT -5
This is a question for the people who defended my son's right to play a lot of video games. I have some questions. - Do you have limits on your child's video game time? - Do you have acceptable times during the day or week, and mandatory non-video game hours? - Do you monitor their playing? Do they ever use the computer / iPad / xBox to not play, but instead watch video games being played by others? (Posted videos) Is that okay, is that the same as TV? - Do you ever feel that your child has an unhealthy obsession with video games? - Is it okay for the child to choose video games over other activities - like playing outside, joining a team, etc? I'm very conflicted. I can't make your previous statements jive with a healthy lifestyle. I don't know what I'm doing wrong. Not at set time, but we do eventually cut him off. Homework has to be done before the video games can be played no yes I make him do activities and go outside when it's nice out instead of playing video games.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2013 20:33:03 GMT -5
Good. Just keep him away from my girls! ; )
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Post by swasat on Oct 3, 2013 20:39:39 GMT -5
- Do you have limits on your child's video game time? Yes. - Do you have acceptable times during the day or week, and mandatory non-video game hours? We only allow video games over the weekend, Friday and Saturday. That too, they can only play upto 2 hours each day. Other than that if they want to play they have to get outside. - Do you monitor their playing? Do they ever use the computer / iPad / xBox to not play, but instead watch video games being played by others? (Posted videos) Is that okay, is that the same as TV? I consider that the same as screen time. So yes, if they are watching something on the iPad/xBox and no exactly playing a game themselves, it counts as screen time in our house. Regarding watching someone else play, it depends. I go by the situation. - Do you ever feel that your child has an unhealthy obsession with video games? No. DH and I have always been quite strict about screen time. So the kids know that a no means a no. They don't ask to bend the rules often. - Is it okay for the child to choose video games over other activities - like playing outside, joining a team, etc? No. Definitely, absolutely NO. No. No. No. I am fully aware I count as one "mean mommy" in many people's books. But I (and DH as well) strongly believe that too much screen is not good, physically or emotionally.
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Post by sheilaincali on Oct 3, 2013 21:21:43 GMT -5
I have a 15 year old.
Nope- no limits on video game/screen time. Some days he doesn't play at all and some days he'll play for a few hours. Anytime we ask him to do something else or go somewhere he does it without complaint. He can shut off the video games at any time.
No set hours. DS doesn't have a bed time- our rule is that if he is crabby in the morning when it's time to get up for school then he gets a bedtime and a screen time limit. So far so good- no crabby mornings yet.
No I don't monitor his playing, but I do know what he is playing because he talks about it all the time. He'll tell us about what game he and his friends are playing, when a new expansion comes out, reviews, etc. He really enjoys gaming (computer mainly) and it's something he does with his friends. They set up Skype and play and chat together in the evenings. And yes- he watches youtube videos of people playing other games.
No I do not think he has an unhealthy obsession- as I've said before he is willing to step away from the game at any time and without complaint.
DS is an honor roll student who takes all advanced or AP level classes. He and his friends are all the super serious student types. They get great grades, do math league, robotics team, Knowledge bowl, youth in Government, History Club etc. They are in tons of activities and love hanging out together. But yes in the evenings and on our at home weekends (non-busy weekends) he'll play video games. Doesn't bother me one bit.
He wants to get bachelors degrees in both computer science and engineering (hasn't narrowed down the area of concentration yet).
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Post by sbcalimom on Oct 3, 2013 21:34:09 GMT -5
My girls are still pretty young but we try to limit their screen time quite a bit. Things got pretty bad for awhile during the summer when my DH was away for 12 weeks but we've gotten it back under control. During the week - they mostly watch 30-45 minutes in the morning on the iPad and then maybe another 30-45 minutes at night either on TV or playing the Wii. Weekends they do tend to get a bit more since they're not at daycare/school all day. DD1 doesn't nap anymore so she usually "rests" with her iPad for at least 1.5 hours. Then they'll both usually watch a movie at some point during the day. We started being really strict mostly because they were choosing screentime over everything and anything. When we'd turn off the tv or iPad, it was like we were trying to kill them. That, more than the actual amount, was the sign for us that we had let it go too much. It took a good month of severe limiting before they got to the point where they'll gladly turn off the screen (most of the time ) when we say it's time to X, Y, Z. Now, if only I could get DH to do the same thing!
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Post by giramomma on Oct 3, 2013 22:34:38 GMT -5
We really don't have limits with my 9 yo. But, he's got 30-40 minutes of homework a night plus 1.5 hours of football practice three days a week and games that kill most of Saturday. He's also rather be outside than in the house when it's nice out. He also has to be in bed by 8, so it's not like he's got 5 hours of down time after school..
Our rules are that homework has to be done before screen time. And, if we ask for help, the screen goes off. We don't tie chores into anything. Chores are done because we all use our house, and I'm not a maid.
Sometimes DS will go a week without screen time. There's a new Percy Jackson book coming out in a few weeks. It's 600 pages. I'm guessing DS won't want to do anything except read that book in his down time, so he won't be looking screens except for computers class at school. By the same token, if he's tired from whatever, we let him zone out in front of the boob tube or play video games. Since napping isn't an option, I figure that's the next best way to let him rest.
We monitor computer use, lightly. (He's in the same room as us when he uses a computer.) I buy all of DS's games, plus he has a 3DS, so I'm not going to sit and monitor that.
It would be interesting to see how we'd respond in 4 months. We don't actually have a gaming system that plugs into a tv, nor do we play computer games. We are getting a Wii for Christmas this year. Mostly because I think if we want to be the house that kids come over to, we need to get one..Not all of DS's friends are interested in a 3-4 hour Monopoly marathons like DS is...
I think it all depends on the kids. My oldest is a rule follower and thinks very black and white. If he thinks it's wrong, he won't do it. (So, at school, when the kids are jawing/picking on him, he won't do it back, because he knows it has the capability of hurting someone's feelings.) He doesn't understand why people engage in bad behavior. So, we don't have to be super strict with him.
The jury is out on the baby. I think my two girls ARE going to give us a run for our money, and we may have to be stricter with them.
We also try to lead by example. DH and I make sure that we also don't have screens in front of us at all times, either. We have an "urban amish" lifestyle. Being a luddite and not valuing technology too much ourselves helps a great deal.
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Post by Shooby on Oct 4, 2013 6:33:30 GMT -5
I lump it all in as media time. Computer, tv, games all part of the same coin.
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Post by cael on Oct 4, 2013 8:01:01 GMT -5
I attempt to limit my DH's video game time. Does that count? I usually fail.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2013 8:09:48 GMT -5
DD doesn't care about videogames at all. DS just turned 7, so my answers are for him:
- Do you have limits on your child's video game time? Yes. - Do you have acceptable times during the day or week, and mandatory non-video game hours? After homework/chores are done. - Do you monitor their playing? Do they ever use the computer / iPad / xBox to not play, but instead watch video games being played by others? (Posted videos) Is that okay, is that the same as TV? I consider watching tutorials the same as playing a game. IDK how I feel about watching others play. DS only watches others play when we are at a family gathering. I bend the rules when we are at a party. - Do you ever feel that your child has an unhealthy obsession with video games? Yes he does, but just because he loves them doesn't mean he gets to play videogames all day! We still limit his screen time. - Is it okay for the child to choose video games over other activities - like playing outside, joining a team, etc? Since he only gets so much time to play videogames, once he hits his limit he's done. So him being able to choose it over something else would only be fore a limited time anyway.
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Post by greeniis10 on Oct 4, 2013 13:00:49 GMT -5
Sometimes I think Sheilaincali and I have/had the same son, until I got to her paragraph about honors classes. Then, not so much. My youngest DS did just enough to graduate and get out of high school so that he could get a job and "move on with this life".
It definitely depends on the kid, though. My DS was not obsessed with video games, but he played them all the time. He could monitor himself and turn them off when it was time (no arguments) and gladly went outside whenever he knew he needed a screen break. I know I was lucky in that regard.
Now, his love for video games is a good motivator: gotta budget that paycheck so that he can still buy the new games as they are released and a "regular" TV just won't do: he has a 64" screen and projector in his basement! Necessities, you know...
Thyme, I think it is a good idea to set some sort of boundaries particularly if your gut is telling you that a few changes would be good. Start small. Kids adapt.
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Post by raeoflyte on Oct 4, 2013 13:26:20 GMT -5
Ds is still really young, but we've had similar issues to sbcali with TV. He also plays games on an Aunt and Uncle's cell phone and can turn into an absolute beast when its time to turn it off so those have turned to a universal no. We don't have any formal rules about the tv, but my goal is basically if it is on in the morning, it's off at night and vice versa.
I have to get better about not picking up my cell phone in the evenings especially. If the kids screen is off, then mine needs to be off too.
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Post by souldoubt on Oct 4, 2013 13:46:10 GMT -5
Growing up we played video games on consoles because the internet wasn't around in it's current form. Spent plenty of time playing games with friends but we spent more time outside. In high school the internet was starting to become popular and towards the end of high school DSL and cable modems were becoming available and affordable and internet gaming starting to get bigger. I played a few games in particular online a lot, quite honestly more than I should have. For a while I did school, worked (high school job) and played games and that was pretty much it. I did other stuff and went out a bit while hanging out with friends but even then we'd meet up and play games. I can't really knock it since I played but I eventually got away from it because I started having more fun going out with friends and interacting in the real world. Not sure how you strike a balance as a parent but limiting the media time is a big must because life online and in the real world are very different. Some people get way too wrapped up in the online world and don't function as well in real life. I will say that most the people I played with all moved beyond it and are normal adults but there are some who didn't. It kind of reminds me of people who didn't move past the partying you usually get out of your system in your teens or early 20's.
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Post by Abby Normal on Oct 4, 2013 14:44:45 GMT -5
We've never really had a problem with it. When we first got the Wii, DS was playing all the time, and I let it go because he was on christmas break. By the time he went back to school, the newness had worn off. He'll go through phases, but for the most part only plays when his friends are over or he gets really bored. He reads a lot, and I won't banish him from tv now that he's staying home by himself after school. Usually when I get home, he's in reading his book. He has so many activities with baseball, scouts, basketball- I just figure it's downtime.
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Post by shanendoah on Oct 4, 2013 16:04:04 GMT -5
Let me start by saying we are a house full of adult gamers. My living room has a PS3, XBox360, Wii, and XBox. There are 2 other 360s in the house, 2 PS2s, and we all have computers as well.
That said, DD's self directed screen time is limited to 2 hours/day. This includes TV and video games, either on a console, computer, or her tablet. Watching movies or TV shows as a family doesn't count to her limit, and when roommate J is watching her so C and I can have some time, they usually play video games together and we don't count that. As summer moves into winter, and it becomes wet and muddy outside, she won't want to play outside and we won't want her playing outside, so we will be a little more lax on rules. Games that require movement (using the Kinect of the Wii) either count as half time or don't count at all toward her limit, because she's also moving around and getting exercise.
DD is very social, and while she will be annoyed she has to stop watching TV to go grocery shopping with us, she's always willing to stop to go play with friends. She does not play video games with friends, at least not at our house. Only a few games with C or J, and she and I might start doing Wii Fit together this winter.
As she gets older, we will stop setting limits on her screen time. Neither C nor I are athletic, so growing up, we both would have chosen video games over team sports. C is also hugely introverted, and games are one of the more social things he does (MMOs, or talking video games with J while one of them plays and the other watches). For now, our main reason for limiting screen time is that DD will zone out to any moving picture with sound. This summer, C was modding nerf guns and watching some youtube how-tos. DD would come in to "talk" to him, but really to watch the video and actually get annoyed when he would stop it after he saw what he needed to see. We saw that as a problem and so are working to address it.
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Post by thyme4change on Oct 4, 2013 18:15:46 GMT -5
I was hoping that @wrongsideof30 and oped would chime in. Thanks for all the answers. I think we need to be stricter with some limits. He is just obsessed and it is starting to take a toll on him.
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Post by geenamercile on Oct 4, 2013 18:57:14 GMT -5
- Do you have limits on your child's video game time? Yes and it goes down if we need it to. - Do you have acceptable times during the day or week, and mandatory non-video game hours? She gets an hour on a week day and some more on the weekend. That can depend on the weather, how busy we are as a family, ect... Of course we don't have cable so this is pretty much all we use the TV for. I do have some education sites that we use for studying, that doesn't count against her time, but I will limit it too. Right now we are working on addition and subtraction fluency. Considering how many of the test are now on computers, even for as young as second grade I consider it a plus that she knows how to use one. - Do you monitor their playing? Do they ever use the computer / iPad / xBox to not play, but instead watch video games being played by others? (Posted videos) Is that okay, is that the same as TV? Yes we monitor her games, we are well aware of what she is playing the content in it. There are several games we play with her. There has been times she has watched videos online, mostly to figure out how to do something in the game.... she got that from DH. Ones of the games she plays is Animal Crossing. She knows how to google the game guide pages to see when the bugs and fish come out that she needs to catch. It is all text based so there is a lot of reading in it, which she has to comprehend and then go and preform the task that has been requested of her. Mine craft is the other game she is playing. That is pretty much it. - Do you ever feel that your child has an unhealthy obsession with video games? No. - Is it okay for the child to choose video games over other activities - like playing outside, joining a team, etc? This is a hard one to answer because it is so based on the situation. Is not okay for video games to be the only choice ever made NO. But is it okay for a child to choose video games over in an individual situation, yes. In other words it is okay that DD choose to play video games instead of wanting to take a dance class. She also choose riding lessons over dance too. There are days she just doesn't want to go outside, but that is okay because there are other days she does. As long as a balance is kept, I'm okay with letting her choose.
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Post by geenamercile on Oct 4, 2013 18:59:09 GMT -5
See for me that would be a concern no matter the activity. If my child was on swim and practicing where it was taking a toll on her, it would be a concern even if that is considered one of those "good" activities.
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Post by Formerly SK on Oct 4, 2013 19:22:10 GMT -5
My kids are 7&8. 7yo likes them OK but doesn't have a problem doing other things. They are like a drug to my 8yo.
- Do you have limits on your child's video game time? Yes - only allowed Fri nights and weekends. - Do you have acceptable times during the day or week, and mandatory non-video game hours? See above. - Do you monitor their playing? Do they ever use the computer / iPad / xBox to not play, but instead watch video games being played by others? (Posted videos) Is that okay, is that the same as TV? I lump video games/TV/computer/iPad all in the same category. For the most part, I "monitor" them by only buying games I approve of, or only allowing them to watch TV shows I approve of (they probably only watch 1hr/wk of TV). They don't surf online yet so I don't worry about monitoring that. The only real video game DS plays is Minecraft, which I'm neutral on since it has some academic/creative aspects. - Do you ever feel that your child has an unhealthy obsession with video games? Absolutely. There is a very clear detox period on Mondays where DS is in agony about missing video games. Tues-Thurs he's OK...talks about it endlessly but is happy talking about it. Friday after school is HEAVEN for him - the highlight of his week. - Is it okay for the child to choose video games over other activities - like playing outside, joining a team, etc? DS is not athletic and doesn't have friends (autism). He lives in his own world a lot of the time building/planning things. I'm glad he has video games to push his creativity and challenge him. If he didn't have them, he's just spend hours and hours playing with Legos or designing mazes on paper.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Oct 11, 2013 16:55:17 GMT -5
Well, I don't have kids, so it's theoretical for me.
I don't see any problems with restricting video game times to a reasonable amount. I don't know about 2 hours two times a week, but on principle, I don't see a problem with it. Of course reasonable boundaries are ensuring homework is done and they get to bed at a reasonable hour and do other activities.
Personally I wouldn't single out video games, and just count everything as "screen time." I don't see much of a difference between playing a video game and watching TV, whether or not it's game related. I don't see any reason to differentiate when setting boundaries.
I am not sure about the kid doing "other activities." I think it's good to introduce them to new things, but I've never been a fan of making your kid play sports or whatever if they aren't really interested. I think it's fine to promote a healthy balance, but I don't think forcing your kids into something just for the sake of balance is good in the long run either.
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Post by alabamagal on Oct 11, 2013 17:02:35 GMT -5
My boys are now 19 and 21. We started with limits to only on the weekend, but by the time we only had the youngest at home, he could do whatever he wanted. He played football, basketball and tennis in high school so he didn't have much spare time. My boys also had good grades, so there were no bad impacts.
When the youngest was in high school, he would play the online games on his XBox with his friends. It was actually a semi-social activity. They would talk half time about video games and the other half about teenage boy stuff with his friends.
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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on Oct 11, 2013 17:09:00 GMT -5
This is so much more complicated than when I was a young gamer. Sure, the issue of obsession, and shirking responsibilities/homework is still present. Today's games have the additional challenge of dealing with an online community, and whether or not the individuals a child may encounter are really suitable. I'm told one can limit online contact to "friends only" so that helps.
I had limits placed on me when my grades were an issue -- no gaming during the week. When my grades weren't an issue, I was no longer limited; but usually didn't play much except weekends.
I was involved in some sports throughout high school, so physical exercise wasn't an issue. I loved games, but at one point I was varsity cross-country.
You can draw your own fun conclusions from whether gaming warped me as a person from what you know about me know.
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Post by ZaireinHD on Oct 11, 2013 20:18:54 GMT -5
tell him if he ever wants to touch real boobies he needs to get off the couch and get on the ball field. YEA - but then that brings on another set of problems sex, sexting, pics, and likes 1 chick and 1 chick no response, rejection stick with video gamer troubles...
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Oct 11, 2013 20:55:04 GMT -5
Thyme, if you're conflicted, and you feel that your kid is spending too much time playing videos instead of interacting with people or going outside to play, then it's time to start putting time-limits on their video playing.
It's really easy to get "hooked" on some of the games and on playing them - sometimes to the point of becoming an obsession with many kids (and even some adults).
I also think it desensitizes some kids - they get so engrossed in the games (and some can be quite violent) - that they get to a point where buildings being blown up or people getting shot/annihilated doesn't phase them after a while.
But even with the "tamer" games, they can be addicting too - trying to beat your previous score, etc.
I can remember DH and I playing hours and hours of (first) Atari, then XBox, PS2, etc in the evenings - it was really crazy how much time we wasted playing video games.
I still play some online games occasionally - but I limit my time. I think kids need to have set times for play and how long they can play set out and enforced.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2013 21:29:03 GMT -5
I have to put limits on my 11 year old otherwise that's all he'd do, and yes, I do think he has a problem with them so I'm pretty strict, no ipod or games in the morning before school or after 7pm at night and I kick him outside whenever it's nice out. He's not athletic at all, but his Dad and I push scouting activities, reading, fishing and band, areas he has interest in. He'd still rather play/watch games than any of that stuff I think, but he enjoys other things once he's broken away from the screen. Unfortunately, he goes to his Dad's a lot and think he's a lot more liberal with the gaming. His Dad claims he limits, but it seems every time I go there to pick him up he's on the Xbox or the computer.
Also, I HATE those stupid videos of people playing video games. To me that's the ultimate sedentary. Watching youtube videos of someone else playing a game. Man, at least be playing it yourself!
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Post by Phoenix84 on Oct 11, 2013 21:46:45 GMT -5
I played video games as a kid. As long as my grades and behavior were good, few limits were placed on me. I seemed to turn out okay. But if I misbehaved or got bad grades, the games were the first to go.
As Wewillbackgorown said, back in my day though, online gaming didn't really exist much. It didn't become big until I was in college. So that is an extra thing kids today have to deal with. Back in my day, when you wanted to play games with friends, they had to come over and sit on the couch with you.
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Post by ZaireinHD on Oct 11, 2013 21:58:00 GMT -5
yes! sometimes I will search on a video game I'm playing on You Tube, because I am looking to see how to get past a certain part of the game. doing a search on a part of the game I am playing and reading the instructions doesn't always work. when it doesn't work I need to see how it's done. then I'm allll like OOHHHHH!! run back to my game and bam!
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Post by Phoenix84 on Oct 12, 2013 0:12:15 GMT -5
"Also, I HATE those stupid videos of people playing video games. To me that's the ultimate sedentary. Watching youtube videos of someone else playing a game. Man, at least be playing it yourself!"
Usually if I watch a youtube video of someone playing a game, it's with a purpose in mind. Like seeing how they handle a difficult boss, find a secret, or solve a puzzle or whatever. Then I go back to my game and do it. It's usually easier/faster to find a youtube video on a particular subject or part of a game than to go to an online guide and find the specific part you're at. I usually don't just sit for hours and watch people play video games.
But sometimes those "let's play" videos (as they're called) can be entertaining because the person playing it is funny or otherwise amusing. There's also "e-sports," where so called "professional" gamers compete against each other while the audiance watches. Even as a gamer myself, I find the idea pretty lame. I'd rather just play Starcraft II than watch some Korean player play it.
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