The American Connection to the latest terrorist attack

[Value Buy]

Evidently the terrorists that attacked the shopping mall, announced they had help from their American friends from the state OF Minnesota.

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By Pete Williams, Richard Esposito and Simon Moya-Smith, NBC News

The FBI is investigating whether as many as five Americans were among the small team of terrorists who took over a Kenyan mall and launched a bloodbath that has left at least 68 dead and 175 injured over two days of carnage.

The investigation is in its early stages and until a conclusion of the siege in Kenya — which spilled into a second bloody day on Sunday — authorities may not know for sure whether any U.S. residents were involved.


The FBI is investigating terrorist group al-Shabab's claim that five Americans helped them attack a Kenyan mall. NBC's Pete Williams reports.

The notion that Americans were involved came directly from the terrorists themselves — or at least a Twitter feed purporting to represent the Somali al-Qaeda affiliate al-Shabab, which has claimed responsibility for the mall attack.

 

 The account listed specific names and home states of the Americans they said were on their side. The group has had several Twitter handles shut down over the course of two days as they blast pro-jihad propaganda across the Internet.

Two of the purported American jihadists are allegedly from the St. Paul-Minneapolis community in Minnesota, which authorities say is the largest Somali population outside of Mogadishu, with some 85,700 members, according to latest the Census Bureau numbers

[billisonboard]

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Two of the purported American jihadists are allegedly from the St. Paul-Minneapolis community in Minnesota, which authorities say is the largest Somali population outside of Mogadishu, with some 85,700 members, according to latest the Census Bureau numbers. (emphasis added)

Interesting word choice.

[Value Buy]

Not much talk about this incident yet.

I am hopeful, if "Americans" are involved, they are not actual citizens of our country.
I simply cannot comprehend these type of actions by American citizens.

Then again, American citizens shot 23 fellow citizens in Chicago this weekend.
At least most were just wounded in Chicago.

I made the last statement, so no one here will accuse me of being harsh and accusing the Muslim culture od cultivating and help flourish jihadist followers..................and posted my response in advance........

[Tennesseer]

Sept 23, 2013 8:32:47 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Not much talk abochildrenincident yet.

I am hopeful, if "Americans" are involved, they are not actual citizens of our country.
I simply cannot comprehend these type of actions by American citizens.

Then again, American citizens shot 23 fellow citizens in Chicago this weekend.
At least most were just wounded in Chicago.

I made the last statement, so no one here will accuse me of being harsh and accusing the Muslim culture od cultivating and help flourish jihadist followers..................and posted my response in advance........

If we can have American born terrorists (directly and indirectly) murder 168 men, women and children and wounding 680 more in Oklahoma City, I'm not surprised a few Americans could be involved in Kenya.

[djAdvocate]

Sept 23, 2013 8:32:47 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Not much talk about this incident yet.

I am hopeful, if "Americans" are involved, they are not actual citizens of our country.
I simply cannot comprehend these type of actions by American citizens...

don't read much history, i am gathering?

[Deleted]

I don't think the presence of Americans has even been confirmed yet.  This could just be terrorist propaganda.

[Opti]

Not sure about presence, but I believe one online article I read yesterday referenced several Americans who had been jailed or convicted associated with this al-Shabab organization.
I believe two were from Minneapolis-St. Paul but it may have been a funding issue.

[workpublic]

the somali "Americans" out there have been acting up for years. but let's continue to point to waco whenever a foreign national who lives in America does something that "comes naturally" to them.


thanx buddy


www.examiner.com/article/bill-clinton-s-legacy-somali-crime-wave-here-at-home

www.startribune.com/politics/national/224729142.html

cnsnews.com/news/article/minnesota-sheriff-reports-congress-growing-somalia-gang-threat-hennepin-county

www.foxnews.com/story/2009/07/20/minnesota-neighborhoods-struggle-with-rise-somali-gang-1257078320/

poor minnesota first it was the hmong tribesmen now the somali tribesmen.

do the posters who demonized the Christian baker, demonize the foreign national somali cab driver who refused to transport people who had liqueur? ya know both were on religious grounds.

[Value Buy]

And with the bombing of a church in Pakistan the other day killing dozens of Christians, we can still be assured this is a religion of peace.

[Tennesseer]

Brought to us by American patriots.  The folks of the U.S., and especially those from Oklahoma City, thank them.

[workpublic]

tenn,

what makes you hate America so much? why do you consistently side with al quada by ignoring what they do/never speaking out against it by deflecting by pointing out the same act made years ago by an anti federalist that you paint as a Christian extremist?  do you hate Christians? are you muslim?

[Opti]

I think Tenn is trying to point out it is not religion that makes a terrorist, but the person themself.

[workpublic]

he would be correct except that McVeigh didn't claim to do it in the name of Christ and the "American" somolis did do it in the name of allah.

if i move to france and start blowing things up, would the french consider me a "home grown" terrorist?

[djAdvocate]

Sept 24, 2013 10:36:10 GMT -5 Opti said:

I think Tenn is trying to point out it is not religion that makes a terrorist, but the person themself.

the root cause of terrorism is GENERALLY occupation: the sense (right or wrong) that "your country" has been invaded by foreigners.  now, some people are mentally ill about this- and some people are totally right about it.

witness Iraq.  Iraq had ZERO incidents of terrorism prior to the invasion.  now how many do they have?  it is a daily event for them.  it is part of the fabric of life and death for them.  this is not AQ driven.  this is invasion driven.  and it will persist until the government of Iraq and the security forces are seen as legitimate.

[workpublic]

so kenya invaded somalia or some part of minnesota?

[djAdvocate]

Sept 24, 2013 10:40:48 GMT -5 workpublic said:

he would be correct except that McVeigh didn't claim to do it in the name of Christ and the "American" somolis did do it in the name of allah.

McVeigh did it in the name of the oppressed.  so did the Somali's.

if i move to france and start blowing things up, would the french consider me a "home grown" terrorist?

if you became a French citizen, absolutely.  the Boston bombers would be a good case study for this thread.  they were, by all accounts, normal kids until they were in their teens.  quintessential Americans in every sense of the term.  they were radicalized in later life, just like McVeigh.  it had little or nothing to do with "Allah".  neither did 911, truthfully.  making this a holy war is a grave error.  the fact that they were Muslims is a regional difference.  if the prevailing religion in the ME was Buddhism, Buddhists would be bombing us.

[djAdvocate]

Sept 24, 2013 10:44:32 GMT -5 workpublic said:

so kenya invaded somalia or some part of minnesota?

let's talk about McVeigh, since i don't know the details of the most recent attack.

in McVeigh's case, it was his sensation that the government of the US had become an invading force against innocent people both in the Middle East, and in the US in places like Ruby Ridge and Waco.  this drove him to the conclusion that he was a warrior for the oppressed against and oppressive US government.

i would be astonished if there were not parallels in the case of the Somali's.

[Tennesseer]

Sept 24, 2013 10:30:27 GMT -5 workpublic said:

tenn,

what makes you hate America so much? why do younsistently side with al quada by ignoring what they do/never speaking out against it by deflecting by pointing out the same act made years ago by an anti federalist that you paint as a Christian extremist?  do you hate Christians? are you muslim?

I only dislike drama queens.

How about terrorism ìsn't limited to just Muslims.  

ETA:  I abhor all terrorism regardless of who did ìt.  I don't hate my fellow Americans for what McVeigh and company did.  I don't hate all Muslims for what the 9/11 killers did.  I don't hate all Christians for what a few have done.  In fact I don't even hate the terrorists, regardless of the reason for their acts.  I only pity them.

[Tennesseer]

Sept 24, 2013 10:40:48 GMT -5 workpublic said:

he uld be correct except that McVeigh didn't claim to do it in the name of Christ and the "American" somolis did do it in the name of allah.

if i move to france and start blowing things up, would the french consider me a "home grown" terrorist?

You would only be considered a home grown terrorist ìn France if you were born in France.

[djAdvocate]

Sept 24, 2013 10:51:21 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Sept 24, 2013 10:30:27 GMT -5 workpublic said:

tenn,

what makes you hate America so much? why do you consistently side with al quada by ignoring what they do/never speaking out against it by deflecting by pointing out the same act made years ago by an anti federalist that you paint as a Christian extremist?  do you hate Christians? are you muslim?

I only dislike drama queens.

How about terrorism ìsn't limited to just Muslims.  

prior to 911, the majority of deaths associated with terrorism were precipitated by Buddhists.

[Tennesseer]

I think the perpetrators of 9/11 may have studied the reaction of Americans to the OKC bombing and decided the best bang for their buck would be to destroy buildings occupied with innocent people. 

[djAdvocate]

Sept 24, 2013 11:03:11 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

I think the perpetrators of 9/11 may have studied the reaction of Americans to the OKC bombing and decided the best bang for their buck would be to destroy buildings occupied with innocent people. 

they were more influenced by Hezbollah, truthfully.  their tactics were so effective, that they became a template for later movements.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Sept 23, 2013 8:32:47 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Not much talk about this incident yet.

I am hopeful, if "Americans" are involved, they are not actual citizens of our country.
I simply cannot comprehend these type of actions by American citizens.

Then again, American citizens shot 23 fellow citizens in Chicago this weekend.
At least most were just wounded in Chicago.

I made the last statement, so no one here will accuse me of being harsh and accusing the Muslim culture od cultivating and help flourish jihadist followers..................and posted my response in advance........

The Boston Bomber was a "citizen", but clearly he did not take his oath of citizenship in good faith- nor did these Somali a**holes.

[djAdvocate]

Sept 25, 2013 14:32:20 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Sept 23, 2013 8:32:47 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Not much talk about this incident yet.

I am hopeful, if "Americans" are involved, they are not actual citizens of our country.
I simply cannot comprehend these type of actions by American citizens.

Then again, American citizens shot 23 fellow citizens in Chicago this weekend.
At least most were just wounded in Chicago.

I made the last statement, so no one here will accuse me of being harsh and accusing the Muslim culture od cultivating and help flourish jihadist followers..................and posted my response in advance........

The Boston Bomber was a "citizen", but clearly he did not take his oath of citizenship in good faith- nor did these Somali a**holes.

neither did Cheney.  what do you suggest that we do with them?

[The Captain]

Sept 24, 2013 10:55:06 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Sept 24, 2013 10:51:21 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

I only dislike drama queens.

How about terrorism ìsn't limited to just Muslims.  

prior to 911, the majority of deaths associated with terrorism were precipitated by Buddhists.

That goes against almost everything I know about Buddhism (which is by no means complete).  Will you throw a few links or search terms for me to use in researching this?

You've piqued my curiousity.

ETA.  Never mind, I'm finding them just fine, holy cr@P!  I'm shocked at how little news coverage this has received in the US.  Well, maybe I shouldn't be...

[djAdvocate]

Sept 25, 2013 16:42:01 GMT -5 The Captain said:

Sept 24, 2013 10:55:06 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

prior to 911, the majority of deaths associated with terrorism were precipitated by Buddhists.

That goes against almost everything I know about Buddhism (which is by no means complete).  Will you throw a few links or search terms for me to use in researching this?

just google "Tamil Tigers of Elam".  and before you say that Buddhism played no part, consider that the Tamils fought for territory because they rejected the "Hindu Invasion".  it figures very prominently in the movement.  if you STILL don't believe me, let me know, and i can give you several very detailed references.

You've piqued my curiousity.

ETA.  Never mind, I'm finding them just fine, holy cr@P!  I'm shocked at how little news coverage this has received in the US.  Well, maybe I shouldn't be...

yeah, it is really no surprise at all.  it doesn't fit into the new holy war paradigm, therefore it is ignored.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Sept 24, 2013 11:03:11 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

I think the perpetrators of 9/11 may have studied the reaction of Americans to the OKC bombing and decided the best bang for their buck would be to destroy buildings occupied with innocent people.  

smh.  whatever.  Of all the responses to the empirical fact that the world has a muslim problem, I find the allusions to Timothy McViegh way off topic.  Of course there are terrible events related to other groups, lone actors, and governments around the world.  However, the unified, concerted effort around the world by radical islamists to target infidels for murder is by far the greatest threat (weather or not they have the body count).  The reason is their intensity, organization, and state support.  Timothy McViegh was not effectively a Saudi agent as the 9.11 attackers were; they are not backed by Iran as Hezbollah is.  The odds that chemical, biological, or nuclear weapons would fall into the hands of a Timothy McVeigh type are quite low.

The fact that the word "American" has been bandied about gratuitously while 89 news outlets chose to edit out the adjective "islamist" to describe terrorists who attacked civilians at the mall and asked them to recite a Koranic verse or die, is just bad journalism, and the worst kind of PC censorship.

[Tennesseer]

Sept 25, 2013 17:20:22 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Sept 24, 2013 11:03:11 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

I think the perpetrators of 9/11 may have studied the reaction of Americans to the OKC bombing and decided the best bang for their buck would be to destroy buildings occupied with innocent people.  

smh.  whatever.  Of all the responses to the empirical fact that the world has a muslim problem, I find the allusions to Timothy McViegh way off topic.  Of course there are terrible events related to other groups, lone actors, and governments around the world.  However, the unified, concerted effort around the world by radical islamists to target infidels for murder is by far the greatest threat (weather or not they have the body count).  The reason is their intensity, organization, and state support.  Timothy McViegh was not effectively a Saudi agent as the 9.11 attackers were; they are not backed by Iran as Hezbollah is.  The odds that chemical, biological, or nuclear weapons would fall into the hands of a Timothy McVeigh type are quite low.

The fact that the word "American" has been bandied about gratuitously while 89 news outlets chose to edit out the adjective "islamist" to describe terrorists who attacked civilians at the mall and asked them to recite a Koranic verse or die, is just bad journalism, and the worst kind of PC censorship.

To quote you, "smh.  whatever."