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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2013 7:09:00 GMT -5
I have never heard f Algebra 3? When I looked it up it said or those needing more algebra practice before calculus/trig... Ie. it's more remedial in nature, or more about spreading algebra out over 4 years, when it can generally be done in two. Personally, I think this is part of the issue with starting full scale algebra in 7 th/8th grade, rather than waiting. Like with most things, if you just wait till the kid is ready for it, it doesn't take that long to teach it... In other words, the way you fit it in is that if you wait to start, you don't need four years to grasp algebra...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2013 7:11:21 GMT -5
My high school calc class was less than worthless. I got an A in high school and went into analysis in college knowing nothing.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Aug 29, 2013 8:31:44 GMT -5
My high school calc class was less than worthless. I got an A in high school and went into analysis in college knowing nothing. I routinely had college students in a college algebra class who claimed they got A's and B's all the way up though pre calc in high school flunk tests that went over Algebra 1 material. There are a lot of high schools out there that have classes called 'pre calc' and 'Calculus' but it doesn't mean the students getting good grades in them actually know anything.
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Post by 973beachbum on Aug 29, 2013 8:41:31 GMT -5
I have never heard f Algebra 3? When I looked it up it said or those needing more algebra practice before calculus/trig... Ie. it's more remedial in nature, or more about spreading algebra out over 4 years, when it can generally be done in two. Personally, I think this is part of the issue with starting full scale algebra in 7 th/8th grade, rather than waiting. Like with most things, if you just wait till the kid is ready for it, it doesn't take that long to teach it... In other words, the way you fit it in is that if you wait to start, you don't need four years to grasp algebra... I think algebra really is the back bone of higher math. Algebra 3 is not remedial it is a continuation of algebra. Near as I can figure it is the precalculus algrebra normally covered in precalc today. DH teaches up to calc at a college and he wishes most of his students had had more algebra. He actually has said he would love to take a few classes at a college on higher algebra himself. He also wishes they knew fractions better. I don't have an issue with someone taking 4 years of math in HS, anymore than I have an issue with taking 4 years of language arts or gym. I just think at the middle school they need language arts more. At that age most students can get enough of math to make it through the prealgebra or even algebra 1 class they need before starting HS. Very few, if any, get out of middle school with the language arts skills to skip 9th and 10 grade Language arts. I have also heard parents complain that their child took algebra 1 in seventh grade and it actually caused problems when it came time to take the SAT or ACT. They take the SAT/ACT in their late junior or senior year. By then 7th grade is 4 years ago. They had all forgotten most of the geom 3 years before let alone the algebra 1 from 4 years ago. They had to basically relearn it before studing for them. The parents said it would have been so much easier if they had taken them in HS while they were still in the HS math groove. I wonder how many here remember anything we learned 4 years ago that wasn't something we didn't continue to ues?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2013 9:17:55 GMT -5
I never took pre calc though. Are pre calc and pre algebra essential? Or are they just for people not ready for algebra/calc.... Can't you just go from leg bra 2 to calculus?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2013 9:41:13 GMT -5
I never took pre calc though. Are pre calc and pre algebra essential? Or are they just for people not ready for algebra/calc.... Can't you just go from leg bra 2 to calculus? When I took Pre Calc in College, it was a combo of Algebra and Trig, so a refresh on what I had in high school. DH, who had to start with college algebra, had to take Trig as a separate class, before he could take Calc 1.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2013 9:52:23 GMT -5
Pooks, it is a subject you have to teach. An eighth grade math teacher teaches eighth grade math. He/she has one textbook. He/she moves linearly . . . from start to finish.
An English teacher actually teaches four strands/subjects, each with a separate book. I have a literature book, I have a vocabulary workbook, and I have a combined grammar/writing book. There is a lot of overlap in the upper grades, but you are lucky to cover 1/3 of any book. In middle school, you are more likely to see the different strands/subjects isolated. Grammar is taught more in isolation (parts of speech, etc.) than it is in high school (errors in writing).
The idea that English teachers can teach out of three textbooks and cover everything while everyone else teaches out of one textbook in the same 50 minute period is laughable.
That's why your child has two English language arts classes. In middle school here, we call it literature (reading) and grammar. Writing is taught by both. Thank you for explaning it. I think that is how they are separating classes. One class will teach literature and the other grammar. Only 5/9th of the sixth grade class have this set up. The other 4/9th have 60 minutes of ELA, which was standard before this year and the addition of the 3rd ELA teacher.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Aug 29, 2013 9:53:14 GMT -5
I never took pre calc though. Are pre calc and pre algebra essential? Or are they just for people not ready for algebra/calc.... Can't you just go from leg bra 2 to calculus? Possible, but it would be a pretty rough transition. Precalc is basically where you get basic algebra burned into your brain. You learn a bunch of stuff, most of which you'll never see again, and while a tiny fraction of them material is useful in calculus, what makes it more useful is that you are using algebra constantly and being asked to do some innovative thinking for the first time.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2013 10:30:19 GMT -5
So my Trig/ Analyt class was pre-calculus?
Wonder why there is a push towards a 'common core'...?
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Post by 973beachbum on Aug 29, 2013 10:36:28 GMT -5
So my Trig/ Analyt class was pre-calculus? Wonder why there is a push towards a 'common core'...? I would be happy if they could get all the schools to use the same names to describe what the courses are. Having all these different names for the same thing is just confusing. Although your point of having a common core that everyone uses to make sure all the students are learning the same thing in a particular class is a good one too.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 29, 2013 11:13:20 GMT -5
I have never heard f Algebra 3? When I looked it up it said or those needing more algebra practice before calculus/trig... Ie. it's more remedial in nature, or more about spreading algebra out over 4 years, when it can generally be done in two. Personally, I think this is part of the issue with starting full scale algebra in 7 th/8th grade, rather than waiting. Like with most things, if you just wait till the kid is ready for it, it doesn't take that long to teach it... In other words, the way you fit it in is that if you wait to start, you don't need four years to grasp algebra... LOL...who knows what it was called 20 years ago translate into today's world....I don't think it is a matter of every child back then being too stupid to grasp algebra...
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 29, 2013 11:15:28 GMT -5
I never took pre calc though. Are pre calc and pre algebra essential? Or are they just for people not ready for algebra/calc.... Can't you just go from leg bra 2 to calculus? Not in our school...my dd is in the honors program so she is clearly not a stupid child...but that is hte way the system is structure...everyone takes pre-algebra first. When you take it depends on whether you are in honors or not.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2013 11:28:19 GMT -5
Kids need all the English classes they can get! Otherwise, everything they compose will be in txtspk.
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Post by midjd on Aug 29, 2013 11:34:34 GMT -5
I have nothing useful to add here except that "leg bra 2" is my new favorite autocorrect.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2013 12:08:28 GMT -5
I don't know, in the prostitution thread I had to change it when autocorrect put contented in for consenting... But I had a private chuckle
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 29, 2013 21:29:10 GMT -5
Kids need all the English classes they can get! Otherwise, everything they compose will be in txtspk. Meh, their secretaries with the English degrees will fix it for them :-p
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