Open carry asshat at it again- NRA silent

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The same asshole that was scaring people in a park is back at it- and people wonder why the term 'gun nut' is used.

wsmv.membercenter.worldnow.com/story/23197990/case-of-gun-rights-advocate-goes-to-grand-jury

     NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) - A Nashville judge has sent to a grand jury the case of a man who walked around downtown last month wearing a bullet-proof vest with an AR-15 on his back.

     Embody acted as his own lawyer during the preliminary hearing, which lasted more than an hour. Embody tried to show that police did not have the right to stop and arrest him on July 29.

Technically it is about the silencer he had I guess- but WTF is the problem with people like this?  Is society just supposed to sit back and watch people walk around like that and not call police?  Are they supposed to wait until some nutbag opens fire and assume that anyone walking around in a vest with an assault rifle is just a law abiding citizen?

If people really want to promote gun rights then the first thing they should do is condemn this kind of bullshit. 

[zibazinski]

* Zib, stop the baiting. - mmhmm, Administrator

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Does TN have open carry?

Does the guy have the federal permit to own a silencer? (They are legal BTW)

It was strapped to his back so it's not like the gun was in a position to easily raise and fire.

Was he being threatening? Or was it just people "panicked" because they saw a gun...in a position that doesn't suggest imminent danger no less?

[billisonboard]

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I can't watch videos at work.....so I have no idea what it is that you posted.

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Are they supposed to wait until some nutbag opens fire and assume that anyone walking around in a vest with an assault rifle is just a law abiding citizen?

What are your thoughts on profiling? For/Against?

[Sum Dum Gai]

The one thing I miss about the military is living on base.  It's like the ultimate gated community.  Patrolled 24/7 by combat ready, and in most cases combat experienced, soldiers in bullet proof vests with M16's on their back and a 45 on their hip.  Every vehicle coming and going is searched, they have bomb dogs, all visitors have to be signed in.  No sex offenders at all in the entire housing community.  I've never felt that safe in my life.  However, some random dude walking around in a park wearing a bullet proof vest with an assault rifle on his back wouldn't make me feel safe.  Maybe he's a fine upstanding citizen exercising his right to bear arms in a really public way, and maybe he's a fucking nutbag that's about to walk into a school or movie theater and massacre a bunch of people for kicks.  No way to know until he opens fire.  You bet your ass I'd call the police, and I not only know he has a right to carry that rifle, I swore to risk my life defending it if necessary.  Having the legal right to do something, and having the common sense to exercise it in a fashion that won't get you arrested, are clearly two different things.

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Okay Dark....but when people do in fact exercise those legal rights and people get freaked out because it's not the norm....to them....that suggests a problem.

Why are you afraid if someone is exercising their legal right?

Oh and last I checked...there's some Major on trial for going on a shooting rampage on one of those "ultra-secure" military bases.

[Sum Dum Gai]

Why are you afraid if someone is exercising their legal right?

It's entirely legal for me to put on a bullet proof vest, shoulder a high powered rifle, climb to the top of the clock tower overlooking down town, and hang out.  However, I'd fully expect the people milling about to wonder why I'm climbing the clock tower with a rifle since we've had mass shooting in this country that happened that way.  Legal and smart are two different things.  It's legal for me to walk into a biker bar, go up to the biggest son of a bitch in there and tell him he's a stupid piece of shit and I'm banging his wife.  If I choose to do so I should fully expect an ass kicking, at the very least.

Oh and last I checked...there's some Major on trial for going on a shooting rampage on one of those "ultra-secure" military bases.

Which was front page news because it happened on a military base which are usually very secure.  How many shootings took place in regular neighborhoods that same year?  Hundreds?  Thousands?

[EVT1]

Of course he was legal- he's just a douchebag.  When he was walking around the park he was wearing camos and had an AK-47 style pistol (with a painted orange tip for some reason).

It is not and never will be the norm for someone to walk around downtown, a mall parking lot, etc. with an assault rifle and a vest on.  Apparently this one was in a case on his back- somewhat better- but unless you are parked in front of a gun shop then people are going to assume he is up to no good.  He was up to no good in fact.  He probably kept it in the case so the police didn't shoot his ass.  Want to wear a pistol in a holster- fine with me- incredibly stupid- but go ahead. 

TN yanked his carry permit a couple years ago because he keeps doing shit like this- so now he does it with unloaded guns.   

[Peace Of Mind]

Open carry asshat

That really should be banned and/or made illegal.

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How was he up to no good? Was he threatening anyone...either verbally or physically with the weapon in question?

Now...I'll say that I would never carry my gun unconcealed because I'd prefer that someone have to guess whether they want to take their life in their own hands if they have bad intentions toward me.

However, if the law in TN allows for open-carry then more people should learn and understand the law. "Ignorance of the law isn't a valid excuse." - Courts and police officers everywhere

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Aug 22, 2013 13:34:44 GMT -5 Sum Dum Gai said:

Why are you afraid if someone is exercising their legal right?

It's entirely legal for me to put on a bullet proof vest, shoulder a high powered rifle, climb to the top of the clock tower overlooking down town, and hang out.  However, I'd fully expect the people milling about to wonder why I'm climbing the clock tower with a rifle since we've had mass shooting in this country that happened that way.  Legal and smart are two different things.  It's legal for me to walk into a biker bar, go up to the biggest son of a bitch in there and tell him he's a stupid piece of shit and I'm banging his wife.  If I choose to do so I should fully expect an ass kicking, at the very least.

Oh and last I checked...there's some Major on trial for going on a shooting rampage on one of those "ultra-secure" military bases.

Which was front page news because it happened on a military base which are usually very secure.  How many shootings took place in regular neighborhoods that same year?  Hundreds?  Thousands?

Well shit...just counting Chicago and Detroit would take that number up past the hundreds quota.

I'm also guessing in most places..now..that it's not legal to just go randomly climbing clock-towers or buildings unless you've been hired to clean or fix something....gun or no gun.

[Sum Dum Gai]

Was he threatening anyone...either verbally or physically with the weapon in question?

Did the Newtown shooter threaten anyone verbally or physically before he opened fire?  Did the Aurora shooter threaten anyone verbally or physically before he opened fire?  Normal law abiding citizens don't go strolling around in public wearing body armor with a military style rifle on their shoulder.  Mentally ill people do it.  Criminals do it on their way to bank robberies and whatnot.

If I see a guy in the park armored up and carrying a look a like assault rifle my first thought is that he's up to no good, not that he's a law abiding citizen who prefers strolling through the park in armor with a rifle.

[swamp]

I live in a rural area, and it's common to see people wearing camo/hunting gear walking down the side of the road with a rifle.  The rifle is either over the shoulder or pointing to the ground.  I also commonly see gunracks in trucks with guns in them, or a gun in the back seat of a car.

If I saw some whackadoo wearing a bullet proof vest with an AR-15 wandering around in a populated area, you bet I would call the police.   It's just not right.  Like Dark said, legal doesn't mean right.

I have a legal right to wander around the hood flashing a wad of Benjis.  And I fully expect to get jumped and be relieved of my said Benjis.

[swamp]

Has anyone here actually worn body armor?  It's really hot, heavy and uncomfortable and not conducive to strolling. 

[Sum Dum Gai]

Has anyone here actually worn body armor? It's really hot, heavy and uncomfortable and not conducive to strolling.

It's way better than chem gear though.  That shit sucks.

[swamp]

Aug 22, 2013 13:57:23 GMT -5 Sum Dum Gai said:

Has anyone here actually worn body armor? It's really hot, heavy and uncomfortable and not conducive to strolling.

It's way better than chem gear though.  That shit sucks.

isn't is basically a rubber burqa?

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Aug 22, 2013 13:53:45 GMT -5 Sum Dum Gai said:

Was he threatening anyone...either verbally or physically with the weapon in question?

Did the Newtown shooter threaten anyone verbally or physically before he opened fire?  Did the Aurora shooter threaten anyone verbally or physically before he opened fire?  Normal law abiding citizens don't go strolling around in public wearing body armor with a military style rifle on their shoulder.  Mentally ill people do it.  Criminals do it on their way to bank robberies and whatnot.

If I see a guy in the park armored up and carrying a look a like assault rifle my first thought is that he's up to no good, not that he's a law abiding citizen who prefers strolling through the park in armor with a rifle.

Seriously? Those are your arguments? Idiotic arguments...but okay.

Newtown - A SCHOOL...where apparently they have all kinds of signs that say "No guns allowed". It's been illegal for quite some time to bring guns on campuses....but yeah...that's the same.....again....idiotic argument on your behalf.

Aurora - James Holmes had to prop an exit door open to go to his vehicle and retrieve the weapons in question. He then returned all "geared up" through the propped open exit door and started shooting....again...totally the same....idiotic argument that is.

[swamp]

  Aurora - James Holmes had to prop an exit door open to go to his vehicle and retrieve the weapons in question. He then returned all "geared up" through the propped open exit door and started shooting....again...totally the same....idiotic argument that is.

Yes, because in all likely hood if he was strolling through the mall with is weapons, even though he had a legal right to do so, he probably would have attracted police attention.



 

[Sum Dum Gai]

isn't is basically a rubber burqa?

Basically.  It's heavier than it looks, especially the boots, wearing the mask for long stretches is wicked uncomfortable, and the inside of the suit is like a sauna.  Your trapped body heat has no way to get out.  I always imagined it's how a baked potato wrapped in foil feels.  You know, if potatoes could feel.

Newtown - A SCHOOL...where apparently they have all kinds of signs that say "No guns allowed". It's been illegal for quite some time to bring guns on campuses....but yeah...that's the same.....again....idiotic argument on your behalf.

Aurora - James Holmes had to prop an exit door open to go to his vehicle and retrieve the weapons in question. He then returned all "geared up" through the propped open exit door and started shooting....again...totally the same....idiotic argument that is.

They were both people openly carrying assault style weapons in public.  But you're right, we shouldn't worry about the geared up guy in a park... at least until somebody shoots up a playground instead of a school.  After all, a playground full of kids and a school full of kids are completely different, and crazy people that want to massacre a bunch of kids will only target schools. 

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Aug 22, 2013 14:06:52 GMT -5 swamp said:

  Aurora - James Holmes had to prop an exit door open to go to his vehicle and retrieve the weapons in question. He then returned all "geared up" through the propped open exit door and started shooting....again...totally the same....idiotic argument that is.

Yes, because in all likely hood if he was strolling through the mall with is weapons, even though he had a legal right to do so, he probably would have attracted police attention.



 

The article says the TN man was walking around downtown....not a mall. As a lawyer you should know that PUBLIC and PRIVATE places are different. I'm sure the law doesn't allow the guy to open carry anywhere he pleases....but it probably does allow him to open carry in public places. A mall...while open to the public...is still a private business. So my question is this: RELEVANCE?

[swamp]

A mall, while privately owned, can be considered public space since all are welcome.  Not really relevant.

But, anyway, to make your nit picky soul happy, I'd still call the cops if he was in the parking lot. 

I'd call the cops if it was my neighbor on his land.   It's just not normal to be wandering around prepped for battle.

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Aug 22, 2013 14:11:08 GMT -5 Sum Dum Gai said:

isn't is basically a rubber burqa?

Basically.  It's heavier than it looks, especially the boots, wearing the mask for long stretches is wicked uncomfortable, and the inside of the suit is like a sauna.  Your trapped body heat has no way to get out.  I always imagined it's how a baked potato wrapped in foil feels.  You know, if potatoes could feel.

Newtown - A SCHOOL...where apparently they have all kinds of signs that say "No guns allowed". It's been illegal for quite some time to bring guns on campuses....but yeah...that's the same.....again....idiotic argument on your behalf.

Aurora - James Holmes had to prop an exit door open to go to his vehicle and retrieve the weapons in question. He then returned all "geared up" through the propped open exit door and started shooting....again...totally the same....idiotic argument that is.

They were both people openly carrying assault style weapons in public.  But you're right, we shouldn't worry about the geared up guy in a park... at least until somebody shoots up a playground instead of a school.  After all, a playground full of kids and a school full of kids are completely different, and crazy people that want to massacre a bunch of kids will only target schools. 

Yet again.....you don't see the difference. No one has answered this question so I'll ask it again: At any time did the guy in TN threaten or provoke to cause bodily harm? Or was he just exercising his rights....in a public space where it's allowed to walk around open carry.

Newtown and Aurora have 1 thing in common. Those guys' intentions where to cause harm and they did.

The guy in TN has done this multiple times without ever having grabbed the weapon...and from what I understand...it's always been unloaded.

But yeah.....same thing.

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Aug 22, 2013 14:19:19 GMT -5 swamp said:

A mall, while privately owned, can be considered public space since all are welcome.  Not really relevant.

But, anyway, to make your nit picky soul happy, I'd still call the cops if he was in the parking lot. 

I'd call the cops if it was my neighbor on his land.   It's just not normal to be wandering around prepped for battle.

Hospitals are public places where "all are welcome"...your definition so you follow it through.

Most hospitals don't allow weapons of any kind to be brought in unless by a certified peace officer.

Businesses have the choice of whether to allow them or not....so just because a place is open to the public where "all are welcome" does not mean that a weapon...of any variety can be brought in.

[swamp]

The problem is, we don't know someone's intention until they actually do something.   We can't look into brains.  yet.   And usually, people wandering around with AR-15's and body armor aren't on their way to a birthday party.   

You judge intention by all the facts and circumstances you observe.

If I saw someone walking through the mall carrying a can of gas and a propane torch, I'd take a second look, wouldn't you?  What he's doing is legal, though. 

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Aug 22, 2013 14:25:44 GMT -5 swamp said:

The problem is, we don't know someone's intention until they actually do something.   We can't look into brains.  yet.   And usually, people wandering around with AR-15's and body armor aren't on their way to a birthday party.   

You judge intention by all the facts and circumstances you observe.

If I saw someone walking through the mall carrying a can of gas and a propane torch, I'd take a second look, wouldn't you?  What he's doing is legal, though. 

But your observation can always be off base...regardless of the facts and circumstances you observe.

The guy with the gas can and a propane torch could be a handyman for the mall. He could also be a criminal. Therefore your observation is based on your opinion and fears...not ALL the facts at hand. Only the facts you've chosen to observe.

[swamp]

Aug 22, 2013 14:32:24 GMT -5 @financialtexan said:

Aug 22, 2013 14:25:44 GMT -5 swamp said:

The problem is, we don't know someone's intention until they actually do something.   We can't look into brains.  yet.   And usually, people wandering around with AR-15's and body armor aren't on their way to a birthday party.   

You judge intention by all the facts and circumstances you observe.

If I saw someone walking through the mall carrying a can of gas and a propane torch, I'd take a second look, wouldn't you?  What he's doing is legal, though. 

But your observation can always be off base...regardless of the facts and circumstances you observe.

The guy with the gas can and a propane torch could be a handyman for the mall. He could also be a criminal. Therefore your observation is based on your opinion and fears...not ALL the facts at hand. Only the facts you've chosen to observe.

yes, they could be, but I'm generally not afraid of my own shadow and don't overreact to weird stuff.   But generally, carrying gas and a torch is a sign of bad things.

How many times do we laud someone for being a hero and stopping a crime because they were observant?  It's because they picked up on things that were out of the ordinary.  

I fully agree Mr. AR-15 has a right to do what he's doing.  He also has to expect to get hassled by the cops.   

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Aug 22, 2013 14:36:07 GMT -5 swamp said:

Aug 22, 2013 14:32:24 GMT -5 @financialtexan said:

But your observation can always be off base...regardless of the facts and circumstances you observe.

The guy with the gas can and a propane torch could be a handyman for the mall. He could also be a criminal. Therefore your observation is based on your opinion and fears...not ALL the facts at hand. Only the facts you've chosen to observe.

yes, they could be, but I'm generally not afraid of my own shadow and don't overreact to weird stuff.   But generally, carrying gas and a torch is a sign of bad things.

How many times do we laud someone for being a hero and stopping a crime because they were observant?  It's because they picked up on things that were out of the ordinary.  

I fully agree Mr. AR-15 has a right to do what he's doing.  He also has to expect to get hassled by the cops.   

Okay....I mean....how dare the cops actually educate the people freaking the hell out on the laws of the state? Foolishness....foolishness, I say!

Edit: Of course that's assuming that the cops ACTUALLY KNOW the laws. Which I've found lacking in many situations. There are thousands of Youtube videos of cops being schooled on actual laws.

I'm also a fan of the judge not allowing evidence that shows the man has the silencer legally. I love when judges dismiss evidence that is completely relevant to a case when the case is about said legalities of the silencer and not necessarily the open carry law.

[Sum Dum Gai]

Newtown and Aurora have 1 thing in common. Those guys' intentions where to cause harm and they did.

Got it, so when people see a weirdo walking around in public armed like he's patrolling a street in Afghanistan they should wait to call the cops until he actually shoots somebody.  You do that, and I'll call the police as soon as I see the guy.  That's the beauty of a free country, we're free to react differently.