Bloomberg wanting to trample more rights & protect bad cops

[EVT1]

WTF is wrong with this guy?

www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Mayor-Bloomberg-Public-Housing-Fingerprinted-Crime-219951801.html

First he wants to fingerprint all public housing residents

www.nbcnews.com/technology/cop-watch-who-benefits-when-law-enforcement-gets-body-cams-6C10911746

Next he is fighting police wearing cameras- WHY?  What better way for everyone involved in an incident to have a clear picture of what happened later.  Maybe your cops are thuggish assholes.  What do you have to hide?

     There is no overall study about the effectiveness of body cameras, but there are promising signs from smaller communities.

     The police department in Rialto, Calif., put cameras on a group of officers and saw the number of citizen complaints filed drop by 88 percent — and more importantly, use of force declined by 59 percent.

     A test program in Fort Worth, Texas, spurred demand among officers. "Right now, wearing the cameras is voluntary," Cpl. Tracey Knight, community liaison and PR officer for the Fort Worth Police Department, told NBC News. "However, more and more officers are requesting to have one issued to them and some have even purchased their own."


     In Scottsdale, Ariz., police started using 10 body cameras earlier this summer as the agency explores outfitting up to 250 patrol officers with the cameras. Reception was cool at first, Sgt. Mark Clark says, until an incident a few weeks ago.

     A police officer’s camera revealed that person who filed a complaint against a motorcycle patrol officer made up the story.


    

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

WTF is wrong with this guy?

He is a liberal.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

I find it amusing all your gripes here- and you support ObamaCare. Do you know that there is funding in ObamaCare to start "evidence-based" home visits? ObamaCare stormtroopers will be fanning out across the country paying home visits. Why? Because Obama, like Bloomberg, is a f***ing libt*rd and they can't just LEAVE PEOPLE THE F*** ALONE!

[EVT1]

Aug 17, 2013 12:54:05 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

I find it amusing all your gripes here- and you support ObamaCare. Do you know that there is funding in ObamaCare to start "evidence-based" home visits? ObamaCare stormtroopers will be fanning out across the country paying home visits. Why? Because Obama, like Bloomberg, is a f***ing libt*rd and they can't just LEAVE PEOPLE THE F*** ALONE!

I support single payer- I accept Obamacare is the best we can do with all of its flaws.  I have no idea what kind of crazy shit you found about home visits- maybe you should start a misleading thread on it

We are talking cops here- and mandatory fingerprinting and fighting having officers operate within the confines of recorded interactions.  There is no reason (other than costs) to keep police activity in the murky dark- and how much can it be- you can buy a small high-def camera and recorder for the cost of about 2 hours of overtime per cop- well worth the expense since a lot of time will be saved investigating incidents.  It should be a public record- every interaction should be recorded.  That's how a free country keeps the police honest.

[AGB]

"The people that live there, most of them, want more police protection... If you have strangers walking in the halls of your apartment building, don’t you want somebody to stop and say, ‘Who are you? Why’re you here?’"

George Zimmerman...

"Disrespectful. Disgraceful. No other words apply," former Comptroller Bill Thompson said in a statement. "Just like stop and frisk, this is another direct act of treating minorities like criminals."

They would only fingerprint minorities??

[dothedd]

Aug 17, 2013 13:18:17 GMT -5 @lonewolf said:

On the fence with this one.

On one hand I hate government intrusion into our lives, while on the other hand I feel that if you're on public assistance, you have no right to object to the government's rules regarding that assistance. 

“Clearly, any family may be visited by federally paid agents for almost any reason." 
www.medicaldaily.com/obamacare-families-provision-will-allow-forced-home-inspections-eligible-people-251935  

freedomoutpost.com/2013/08/obamacare-provision-forced-home-inspections/  

[EVT1]

Oh please-

    random and unannounced visits might be a provision of the new government healthcare program. Those eligible and enrolled in the ‘Maternal, Infant and Early Childhood Home Visiting Program’ (MIECHV) can expect to receive random visit

Well don't enroll in a visiting plan. Sheesh.  Far cry from Obama 'stormtroopers' as PBP calls them.

There is spin, and there are ridiculous leaps of anti-logic.

[dothedd]

If you haven't read it ... you should!

www.afa.net/Detail.aspx?id=2147486089

EOS

[zibazinski]

What an angry man. Very sad.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

* Paul, let's avoid comments about the psychological condition of others, shall we?  TIA. - mmhmm, Administrator

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Aug 17, 2013 16:14:52 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

Oh please-

    random and unannounced visits might be a provision of the new government healthcare program. Those eligible and enrolled in the ‘Maternal, Infant and Early Childhood Home Visiting Program’ (MIECHV) can expect to receive random visit

Well don't enroll in a visiting plan. Sheesh.  Far cry from Obama 'stormtroopers' as PBP calls them.

There is spin, and there are ridiculous leaps of anti-logic.

No.  We might NOT be visited because it's illegal under the correct interpretation under the Fourth Amendment (that allows your precious 'right' to abortion, I might add).  So, the fact that they're even considering illegal visits ought to alarm you.  Here, let me explain to you the terms under which a federal (or any other 'agent') may 'visit':

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

You're so 'alarmed' by anything and everything the 'cops' do, but what you fail to understand is that all the government is to us is one giant cop-- and we have to apply your rigid standards of restraint and conduct to every level, every branch, every agency, every single solitary person that works in government- PERIOD.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Aug 17, 2013 13:18:17 GMT -5 @lonewolf said:

On the fence with this one.

On one hand I hate government intrusion into our lives, while on the other hand I feel that if you're on public assistance, you have no right to object to the government's rules regarding that assistance. 

The problem is that the aim of the regime is to force us all onto something defined as 'public assistance'.  Stop thinking like a normal, rational person for a minute and think like a liberal.  If the government builds a road to your factory-- which it MUST do because if it doesn't build the road, your factory will be stuck out in the middle of nowhere with no road to get things to and from your clients / distribution network-- then YOU, my friend, are on "public assistance".  I'm for leaving EVERYONE alone- even people on welfare.

It's just too slippery a slope- and with far too many people on direct, real 'public assistance' that means far to many people conditioned to allow body cavity searches by ObamaCare agents who just stop by to make sure your colon is free of obstructions.

And in case you think I'm reaching- there's no longer any reaching when it comes to liberals.  They're unhinged- and ANYTHING we start doing can be eventually twisted and used against us.  The first step to getting OFF welfare- which is the goal is to STOP the treatment of welfare recipients as less than human, or as "them" to our "us".  We have to unite against things like this, or else.

reason.com/blog/2012/07/19/elizabeth-warren-again-nobody-got-rich-o

"I think the basic notion is right. Nobody got rich on their own. Nobody. People worked hard, they buil[t] a business, God bless, but they moved their goods on roads the rest of us helped build, they hired employees the rest of us helped educate, they plugged into a power grid the rest of us helped build,"

"The rest of us made those investments because we wanted businesses to flourish, we wanted them to grow, we wanted them to create opportunity for all of us. That's what we do together. We get richer as a country when we make those investments." [...]

Warren called government investments "a good thing," charging that, "the Republican vision of the future is just to continue to make cuts and not to make those investments." - Elizabeth "High Cheek Bones" Warren.

So, you see- we are ALL on 'public assistance'.  I'm not on the fence.

[workpublic]

do as he says, he knows better than us, he's a billionaire.

[EVT1]

Aug 19, 2013 8:08:10 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Aug 17, 2013 16:14:52 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

Oh please-

    random and unannounced visits might be a provision of the new government healthcare program. Those eligible and enrolled in the ‘Maternal, Infant and Early Childhood Home Visiting Program’ (MIECHV) can expect to receive random visit

Well don't enroll in a visiting plan. Sheesh.  Far cry from Obama 'stormtroopers' as PBP calls them.

There is spin, and there are ridiculous leaps of anti-logic.

No.  We might NOT be visited because it's illegal under the correct interpretation under the Fourth Amendment (that allows your precious 'right' to abortion, I might add).  So, the fact that they're even considering illegal visits ought to alarm you.  Here, let me explain to you the terms under which a federal (or any other 'agent') may 'visit':

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

You're so 'alarmed' by anything and everything the 'cops' do, but what you fail to understand is that all the government is to us is one giant cop-- and we have to apply your rigid standards of restraint and conduct to every level, every branch, every agency, every single solitary person that works in government- PERIOD.

You want to argue about 'MIGHT'? I see zero evidence of anything- just your usual conspiracy theories.

So nice of you to support the 4th amendment- so maybe step up next time your representatives contemplate drug testing welfare recipients or public employees.

[jkapp]

Aug 17, 2013 13:07:18 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

Aug 17, 2013 12:54:05 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

I find it amusing all your gripes here- and you support ObamaCare. Do you know that there is funding in ObamaCare to start "evidence-based" home visits? ObamaCare stormtroopers will be fanning out across the country paying home visits. Why? Because Obama, like Bloomberg, is a f***ing libt*rd and they can't just LEAVE PEOPLE THE F*** ALONE!

I support single payer- I accept Obamacare is the best we can do with all of its flaws.  I have no idea what kind of crazy shit you found about home visits- maybe you should start a misleading thread on it

We are talking cops here- and mandatory fingerprinting and fighting having officers operate within the confines of recorded interactions.  There is no reason (other than costs) to keep police activity in the murky dark- and how much can it be- you can buy a small high-def camera and recorder for the cost of about 2 hours of overtime per cop- well worth the expense since a lot of time will be saved investigating incidents.  It should be a public record- every interaction should be recorded.  That's how a free country keeps the police honest.

I think a camera on every politician would be better served and provide ten times the benefit

[mmhmm]

Aug 19, 2013 11:04:04 GMT -5 jkapp said:

Aug 17, 2013 13:07:18 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

I support single payer- I accept Obamacare is the best we can do with all of its flaws.  I have no idea what kind of crazy shit you found about home visits- maybe you should start a misleading thread on it

We are talking cops here- and mandatory fingerprinting and fighting having officers operate within the confines of recorded interactions.  There is no reason (other than costs) to keep police activity in the murky dark- and how much can it be- you can buy a small high-def camera and recorder for the cost of about 2 hours of overtime per cop- well worth the expense since a lot of time will be saved investigating incidents.  It should be a public record- every interaction should be recorded.  That's how a free country keeps the police honest.

I think a camera on every politician would be better served and provide ten times the benefit

Ummm, no.  I wouldn't have wanted to have a camera on any number of these people!  Think ... Weiner! 

[djAdvocate]

Aug 17, 2013 12:52:29 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

WTF is wrong with this guy?

He is a liberal.

i see.  liberals are authoritarians and conservatives are looking out for the little guy.  got it. 

[djAdvocate]

Aug 17, 2013 12:54:05 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

I find it amusing all your gripes here- and you support ObamaCare. Do you know that there is funding in ObamaCare to start "evidence-based" home visits? ObamaCare stormtroopers will be fanning out across the country paying home visits. Why? Because Obama, like Bloomberg, is a f***ing libt*rd and they can't just LEAVE PEOPLE THE F*** ALONE!

kind of like the "liberal" Texas Dildo Police prior to Lawrence -vs- Texas?

[workpublic]

camera's on cops will definitely stop snitches. 

so no more stop and frisk, and cameras.

bye bye low violent crime stats.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Aug 19, 2013 10:26:23 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

Aug 19, 2013 8:08:10 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

No.  We might NOT be visited because it's illegal under the correct interpretation under the Fourth Amendment (that allows your precious 'right' to abortion, I might add).  So, the fact that they're even considering illegal visits ought to alarm you.  Here, let me explain to you the terms under which a federal (or any other 'agent') may 'visit':


You're so 'alarmed' by anything and everything the 'cops' do, but what you fail to understand is that all the government is to us is one giant cop-- and we have to apply your rigid standards of restraint and conduct to every level, every branch, every agency, every single solitary person that works in government- PERIOD.

You want to argue about 'MIGHT'? I see zero evidence of anything- just your usual conspiracy theories.

So nice of you to support the 4th amendment- so maybe step up next time your representatives contemplate drug testing welfare recipients or public employees.

I thought there'd be some pathetic attempt to call it a conspiracy theory- which is precisely why the source is the government's own website that shows the approval for the funding of ObamaCare agents to make "evidence based" home visits to any home anytime they please.  There's nothing in there about suspicion of anything, let alone a WARRANT.  My post is indisputable.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Aug 19, 2013 11:26:59 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Aug 17, 2013 12:54:05 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

I find it amusing all your gripes here- and you support ObamaCare. Do you know that there is funding in ObamaCare to start "evidence-based" home visits? ObamaCare stormtroopers will be fanning out across the country paying home visits. Why? Because Obama, like Bloomberg, is a f***ing libt*rd and they can't just LEAVE PEOPLE THE F*** ALONE!

kind of like the "liberal" Texas Dildo Police prior to Lawrence -vs- Texas?

Really, dj? Really?  The other kids are doing it, too is the argument you're making?  How about they're BOTH wrong, and we stop it.

[Deleted]

Aug 19, 2013 11:04:04 GMT -5 jkapp said:

Aug 17, 2013 13:07:18 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

I support single payer- I accept Obamacare is the best we can do with all of its flaws.  I have no idea what kind of crazy shit you found about home visits- maybe you should start a misleading thread on it

We are talking cops here- and mandatory fingerprinting and fighting having officers operate within the confines of recorded interactions.  There is no reason (other than costs) to keep police activity in the murky dark- and how much can it be- you can buy a small high-def camera and recorder for the cost of about 2 hours of overtime per cop- well worth the expense since a lot of time will be saved investigating incidents.  It should be a public record- every interaction should be recorded.  That's how a free country keeps the police honest.

I think a camera on every politician would be better served and provide ten times the benefit

or a camera on every person that "works" for the federal government

be nice to see what OUR money is paying for, dontcha think?

[djAdvocate]

Aug 19, 2013 15:33:36 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Aug 19, 2013 11:26:59 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

kind of like the "liberal" Texas Dildo Police prior to Lawrence -vs- Texas?

Really, dj? Really?  The other kids are doing it, too is the argument you're making?  How about they're BOTH wrong, and we stop it.

how about that, Paul.  have you ever noticed that i ONLY bring up the other (one) side of the argument when you FAIL to do so?

i am sick of "liberals" being the targets for your screeds, Paul.  conservatives do it JUST AS OFTEN.  i am all for bagging on the nanny state.  but let's not pretend for an instant that it stops at supersize Cokes.