Ukrainian Politicians Fighting-Where's Obama?

[Tennesseer]

[chiver78]

[Virgil Showlion]

I think @shooby's point is to question why a man who leaps in front of the camera to decry an assault-weapon-involved school shooting or a white-on-black self-defense shooting is nowhere to be found after any of the dozens (hundreds?) of shootings in the safe, gun-controlled, black-on-black crime paradise that is Chicago.

But reductio ad absurdum if that's the best you can come up with.

[Tennesseer]

Aug 11, 2013 9:46:32 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

I think @shooby's point is to question why a man who leaps in front of the camera to decry an assault-weapon-involved school shooting or a white-on-black self-defense shooting is nowhere to be found after any of the dozens (hundreds?) of shootings in the safe, gun-controlled, black-on-black crime paradise that is Chicago.

But reductio ad absurdum if that's the best you can come up with.

Yup-it is.   Shooby and reductio ad absurdum go hand-in-hand.

[mmhmm]

I do believe the president spoke to the issue of violence in the city of Chicago in February of this year.  The FLOTUS spoke to the issue in April.  This isn't a new issue, and it isn't an issue that hasn't been addressed more than once.  Sadly, it's a common occurrence in that beleageured city, and has been for years.  President Obama has more on his plate than Chicago, I'm afraid.  Perhaps, the elected officials in Chicago and the elected officials in Illinois should be addressing this issue.  I, for one, am getting very, very tired of the childish, meaningless finger-pointing.  It hasn't done an ounce of good so far, and I don't expect it will.  For that reason, this will be my last comment regarding this sort of nonsense.  I find it disgusting, frankly.

[Virgil Showlion]

Does it not upset you that shootings are so common in Chicago that nine people being shot in separate incidents over a single weekend merits no national attention?

And if not, why would a one-time white-on-black shooting in Florida concern you? Or a one-time school shooting in Connecticut?

[Value Buy]

Aug 11, 2013 9:59:40 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

I do believe the president spoke to the issue of violence in the city of Chicago in February of this year.  The FLOTUS spoke to the issue in April.  This isn't a new issue, and it isn't an issue that hasn't been addressed more than once.  Sadly, it's a common occurrence in that beleageured city, and has been for years.  President Obama has more on his plate than Chicago, I'm afraid.  Perhaps, the elected officials in Chicago and the elected officials in Illinois should be addressing this issue.  I, for one, am getting very, very tired of the childish, meaningless finger-pointing.  It hasn't done an ounce of good so far, and I don't expect it will.  For that reason, this will be my last comment regarding this sort of nonsense.  I find it disgusting, frankly.

excuses, excuses, excuses......all talk, no action, unless their is more money to throw at non-producing members of society.
Dems have a ton of excuses, but no real answers.

Your last sentence sums up conservatives views of the Democratic propaganda machine.
Obama and the First Lady could easily "adopt" Chicago, and fix it one street at a time, if they wanted to.
Heck his best political confident outside of Mrs. Valerie Jarret, is Rahmn, and he is leaving him hang out to dry on this issue.

[Virgil Showlion]

Aug 11, 2013 9:59:40 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

I do believe the president spoke to the issue of violence in the city of Chicago in February of this year.  The FLOTUS spoke to the issue in April.  This isn't a new issue, and it isn't an issue that hasn't been addressed more than once.  Sadly, it's a common occurrence in that beleageured city, and has been for years.  President Obama has more on his plate than Chicago, I'm afraid.  Perhaps, the elected officials in Chicago and the elected officials in Illinois should be addressing this issue.  I, for one, am getting very, very tired of the childish, meaningless finger-pointing.  It hasn't done an ounce of good so far, and I don't expect it will.  For that reason, this will be my last comment regarding this sort of nonsense.  I find it disgusting, frankly.

You find it disgusting when people point out the hellhole that is Chicago--an exemplar of gun control in the US--at a time when the administration is aggressively campaigning for tighter gun control laws, leveraging any qualifying tragedy into its campaign?

Did it occur to you that cities like Chicago are gun control opponents' first and greatest line of political defense?

Does it seem unnecessary to you that gun control opponents mount such a defense in the face of a federal campaign for tighter gun control?

[mmhmm]

Does it upset me?  Yes.  Does  it surprise me?  No.  It probably would have had it happened in Podunk, Iowa, but it doesn't in Chicago.  Will wailing about it change it?  No.  Will blaming the president change it?  No.  It was going on before he became president.

The shooting in Florida concerned me more because of the law involved than the shooting itself, frankly.  That sort of thing isn't all that unusual in Florida, either.  The school shooting had multiple victims all in one place, that place was a school, and those involved were children.  Additionally, it occurred in a place where that sort of violence is anything but common.  Sorry, Virgil, but I won't bite the hook.  Find another fish.

[Virgil Showlion]

Aug 11, 2013 9:49:17 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Aug 11, 2013 9:46:32 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

I think @shooby's point is to question why a man who leaps in front of the camera to decry an assault-weapon-involved school shooting or a white-on-black self-defense shooting is nowhere to be found after any of the dozens (hundreds?) of shootings in the safe, gun-controlled, black-on-black crime paradise that is Chicago.

But reductio ad absurdum if that's the best you can come up with.

Yup-it is.   Shooby and reductio ad absurdum go hand-in-hand.

If the only way you can debate Shooby is with absurd reductions of her arguments, she isn't the one with the problem.

[mmhmm]

Aug 11, 2013 10:09:26 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Aug 11, 2013 9:59:40 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

I do believe the president spoke to the issue of violence in the city of Chicago in February of this year.  The FLOTUS spoke to the issue in April.  This isn't a new issue, and it isn't an issue that hasn't been addressed more than once.  Sadly, it's a common occurrence in that beleageured city, and has been for years.  President Obama has more on his plate than Chicago, I'm afraid.  Perhaps, the elected officials in Chicago and the elected officials in Illinois should be addressing this issue.  I, for one, am getting very, very tired of the childish, meaningless finger-pointing.  It hasn't done an ounce of good so far, and I don't expect it will.  For that reason, this will be my last comment regarding this sort of nonsense.  I find it disgusting, frankly.

You find it disgusting when people point out the hellhole that is Chicago--an exemplar of gun control in the US--at a time when the administration is aggressively campaigning for tighter gun control laws, leveraging any qualifying tragedy into its campaign?

Did it occur to you that cities like Chicago are gun control opponents' first and greatest line of political defense?

Does it seem unnecessary to you that gun control opponents mount such a defense in the face of a federal campaign for tighter gun control?

That isn't what this type of post is about, Virgil.   You know that, and I know that.  They're about pointing a finger at the POTUS because you, personally, don't like the guy.  I don't give a flying flip what you (generic you) like.  I find the denigration of our president over things like this disgusting, yes.  I will continue to do so ... without further comment.

[Tennesseer]

Aug 11, 2013 10:13:01 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Aug 11, 2013 9:49:17 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Yup-it is.   Shooby and reductio ad absurdum go hand-in-hand.

If the only way you can debate Shooby is with absurd reductions of her arguments, she isn't the one with the problem.

Ummmmm-yes she is the one with the problem.  She has a rather bizarre fiation on all things Obama.  Another Obama thread-just a different day. 

[Virgil Showlion]

Aug 11, 2013 10:10:22 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Does it upset me?  Yes.  Does  it surprise me?  No.  It probably would have had it happened in Podunk, Iowa, but it doesn't in Chicago.  Will wailing about it change it?  No.  Will blaming the president change it?  No.  It was going on before he became president.

The shooting in Florida concerned me more because of the law involved than the shooting itself, frankly.  That sort of thing isn't all that unusual in Florida, either.  The school shooting had multiple victims all in one place, that place was a school, and those involved were children.  Additionally, it occurred in a place where that sort of violence is anything but common.  Sorry, Virgil, but I won't bite the hook.  Find another fish.

Bite what hook?

I sked why one tragedy of considerably greater magnitude than two others merits no national attention. You've stated the answer very concisely: "Additionally, [the Sandy Hook massacre] occurred in a place where that sort of violence is anything but common."

Violence, shootings, and death are common in Chicago. The US's preeminent exemplar of a gun-controlled state, as far as gun control opponents are concerned. And Value Buy's response above no doubt characterizes their complete indifference towards your sense of disgust.

[mmhmm]

I don't really require approval to be disgusted, Virgil - yours, or anyone else's.

[Virgil Showlion]

Aug 11, 2013 10:18:17 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Aug 11, 2013 10:13:01 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

If the only way you can debate Shooby is with absurd reductions of her arguments, she isn't the one with the problem.

Ummmmm-yes she is the one with the problem.  She has a rather bizarre fiation on all things Obama.  Another Obama thread-just a different day. 

You, evt1 and oped in hit pieces on prominent Republicans, sometimes highly obscure Republicans, on a bi-weekly basis too.

Should we dismiss your criticisms simply because you have an agenda?

It seems to me that Shooby's "Where is the President?" thread is rhetorical. She's emphasizing the irony that nobody expects Pres. Obama to comment on a deadly weekend in Chicago despite the immense magnitude of the tragedy there compared to shootings that have garnered his attention.

[Value Buy]

Chicago just had a double shooting yesterday in broad daylight (one dead, one shot five times) on the newly appointed safe route for school children starting school later this month.
The television stations are having a field day with this.

Afghanistan is safer than the side streets in Chicago right now.

[chiver78]

Aug 11, 2013 10:01:25 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Does it not upset you that shootings are so common in Chicago that nine people being shot in separate incidents over a single weekend merits no national attention?

And if not, why would a one-time white-on-black shooting in Florida concern you? Or a one-time school shooting in Connecticut?

I'm not mmhmm, but see my comments in the other thread.

[weltschmerz]

Am I missing something, or is my computer wonky again?
The thread title is about Ukrainian politicians fighting. What does that have to do with Shooby or Chicago?