okay Florida, you're now 0-2

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come on, now....

www.firstcoastnews.com/news/article/320326/4/Jordan-Davis-Floridas-next-Trayvon-Martin-case-

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I'll be interested to find out what the gas station surveillance video shows as to the "saw a barrel" being put out the window.

If it turns out that he is telling the truth about that....whether it was a barrel or a stick or something else....then I can understand the reasonable fear for your life.

Having been held up at gunpoint....the guys who did it tossed the weapons somewhere and when they were caught didn't have a weapon on them. Doesn't mean I didn't have a gun in my face.

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Dunn's girlfriend is expected to testify for the prosecution. He apparently said some things to her after the shooting that were not quite on the level.

[Wisconsin Beth]

"It was never his intention to kill anyone"    So firing 4 rounds into the car next to you at the gas station, which is what, 10 feet away? isn't supposed to kill someone?  Am I missing something? 

[Opti]

Its an odd case. I wonder where the witness was, whether there were gas station attendants around,
and whether the shooter was attached to the gas pumping hose at the time.

I generally don't confront people about loud music unless they live near me. Most people who
play loud music IMO already know they are disturbing others and they are OK with it. If you already
feel your right to listen to loud music is more important than my right to have silence you
probably are somewhat other antgonistic.

Without being there it is hard to know what happened. I could see the people in the SUV being PITAs
and possibly making threats. Only the insane, stupid or well-protected though would threaten to shoot
someone where they are going to be on film.

[HoneyBBQ]

I really really hate when people play their music so loud it hurts my ears when I'm in my car next to them on the road.  I wish police would offer noise infraction tickets or something. 

That said, I don't just open fire randomly to get them to turn their music down!

I wonder if his firearm was legal and registered.?

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Jul 29, 2013 11:34:49 GMT -5 HoneyBBQ said:

That said, I don't just open fire randomly to get them to turn their music down!

But...if what the guy says is true....what would you do if they did in fact stick something out the vehicle window that looked to be a barrel of a gun?

Hopefully there are good witnesses and a quality surveillance tape to show what really happened though.

[Opti]

I wonder if his firearm was legal and registered.?


I say odds are yes. Zimmerman's was legal and registered. The shooter of six in FL legally obtained his gun and CWP. Except for criminals and in some poor neighborhoods, my guess is a fair amount of these
shootings come from legally obtained guns.

Its one of the reasons I was really annoyed with the gun control push after Sandy Hook. Not a single
mass shooting in recent public conciousness was done by an illegally obtained gun. Some where children
taking them from their rightful owners ... but that's something you aren't going to be able to prevent unless guns only work if they match your biometrics.

[HoneyBBQ]

Jul 29, 2013 11:41:08 GMT -5 @financialtexan said:

Jul 29, 2013 11:34:49 GMT -5 HoneyBBQ said:

That said, I don't just open fire randomly to get them to turn their music down!

But...if what the guy says is true....what would you do if they did in fact stick something out the vehicle window that looked to be a barrel of a gun?

Hopefully there are good witnesses and a quality surveillance tape to show what really happened though.

I don't and will never carry a gun. So I guess I could drive away or duck or close my eyes and think of Santa Claus. I mean, there's really no good answer. 

[HoneyBBQ]

Jul 29, 2013 11:41:24 GMT -5 Opti said:

I wonder if his firearm was legal and registered.?


I say odds are yes. Zimmerman's was legal and registered. The shooter of six in FL legally obtained his gun and CWP. Except for criminals and in some poor neighborhoods, my guess is a fair amount of these
shootings come from legally obtained guns.

Its one of the reasons I was really annoyed with the gun control push after Sandy Hook. Not a single
mass shooting in recent public conciousness was done by an illegally obtained gun. Some where children
taking them from their rightful owners ... but that's something you aren't going to be able to prevent unless guns only work if they match your biometrics.

I'm against legal and registered gun use for this reason.

I was just curious because gun rights activists always talk about the "good" guys are the ones who have registered and permitted weapons. When half the time they are the ones breaking the law. 

[Opti]

Also, no weapon was recovered from the boys' car, though Dunn claimed days later that he saw the barrel of a shotgun leveled at him from their window. But because this is Florida, the birthplace of stand-your-ground and other gross corruptions of the Second Amendment, niggling details – like the facts, for instance – may not matter in the end. As the law is written, the case will come down to what Dunn believed he saw, not whether he had the basis to believe it. "In Florida courts, you don't need to be right; you just need to believe that you are," says John Phillips, the prominent Jacksonville attorney who's representing the family of Jordan Davis in its civil suit against Dunn.

Read more: www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/after-trayvon-will-there-be-justice-for-floridas-other-stand-your-ground-victim-20130717#ixzz2aSJ8YbWn
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Angela Corey is prosecuting as well. My guess is he will walk.

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so you only want criminals to have guns then, huh?

cause you dont think they are giving theirs up, do you?

[mmhmm]

As I read the article, it sounds like the shooter and his girlfriend left the scene without talking to the police and returned to their home the next day, still having failed to talk to the police about what had happened.  A witness had to give the police the license plate number of the shooter's car.  Once that was used to track the guy down, he was arrested.

I'm pretty sure if I had to shoot somebody because I felt my life was threatened, I'd be calling the police myself.  I sure wouldn't leave the scene without talking to them.

[formerroomate99]

Jul 29, 2013 12:15:58 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

As I read the article, it sounds like the shooter and his girlfriend left the scene without talking to the police and returned to their home the next day, still having failed to talk to the police about what had happened.  A witness had to give the police the license plate number of the shooter's car.  Once that was used to track the guy down, he was arrested.

I'm pretty sure if I had to shoot somebody because I felt my life was threatened, I'd be calling the police myself.  I sure wouldn't leave the scene without talking to them.

Especially not in a place that has cameras. 

[mmhmm]

Jul 29, 2013 12:21:26 GMT -5 formerroomate99 said:

Jul 29, 2013 12:15:58 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

As I read the article, it sounds like the shooter and his girlfriend left the scene without talking to the police and returned to their home the next day, still having failed to talk to the police about what had happened.  A witness had to give the police the license plate number of the shooter's car.  Once that was used to track the guy down, he was arrested.

I'm pretty sure if I had to shoot somebody because I felt my life was threatened, I'd be calling the police myself.  I sure wouldn't leave the scene without talking to them.

Especially not in a place that has cameras. 

I wouldn't care if it had cameras.  To me, if I thought I'd seen a gun in the SUV, I'd want the police to know there was an SUV full of young people and they had a gun!  I'm not the only one in the universe.  If it was really a concern to me, I'd want it reported so nobody else ended up dead.  This whole thing just sounds "iffy" to me.

[formerroomate99]

This whole story sounds like fodder for the Darwin Awards. 

[Tennesseer]

Where is paul for the legal analysis?

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this is my favorite part (from another article on this www.policymic.com/articles/56763/jordan-davis-is-trayvon-martin-but-that-isn-t-enough-to-get-him-media-attention):


"Davis’ father alleges that when Jacksonville police asked Dunn the motive for his self-defense, he said, “They defied my orders. What was I supposed to do if they wouldn’t listen?” "

really? Like..... really?!?!

[HoneyBBQ]

Jul 29, 2013 12:14:35 GMT -5 @gdgyva said:

so you only want criminals to have guns then, huh?

Is this for me? I'm not going to take the bait because I can't change your mind and you can't change mine but that is NOT what I said. 

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I'm against legal and registered gun use for this reason.

this is what you said.....

one can take that sentence to mean many things......

one being that you are against ALL gun ownership

if that is not what you meant, then when talking about such a hot button topic, clarifying your point of view may be needed

[HoneyBBQ]

Jul 29, 2013 13:27:56 GMT -5 @gdgyva said:

I'm against legal and registered gun use for this reason.

this is what you said.....

one can take that sentence to mean many things......

one being that you are against ALL gun ownership

if that is not what you meant, then when talking about such a hot button topic, clarifying your point of view may be needed

It doesn't matter what I say, you'll pick it apart no matter what now that you know I am on the other side of the fence. And nobody really cares if I clarify or not - I frankly don't have the time or energy to defend myself this week and honestly this matter is tiresome because the people who lose are dead and at that point it doesn't really matter.

I don't think Cops need guns nearly as much as they think they do. British police don't carry guns, and many Canadian police do not. I think a special sub-force of the police should have weapons and the rest do not need them.  I don't believe in personal hand gun use under any circumstance. I think "regular" registered shot-guns are ok (I have gone backpacking and borrowed a shot gun for protection from bears in northern canada). I am against any semi-automated anything.  

Do I think there are responsible, legal hand gun users? Yes. Does this factor into my decisions at all? No.

There ya go. I'm not going to reply anymore. 

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i believe in our bill of rights

from freedom of the press on down

i dont want any of them squandered...or taken back

and yes that includes the right to bear arms....

i myself dont like guns...havent since i got out of the military

but i believe in the right itself.....

[justme]

I remember when news of this first came out. Everyone I knew pretty much sided on the shooter being the wackjob and hoping he goes down (the only dissention was if they kids did have a gun, but it was never found). Most people didn't see it as the same situation as Trayvon (really, shooting over loud noise?) so it fell to the wayside around her whereas the Trayvon case was more controversial and there were people on both sides.

It's hard to get the media to pay attention to a case and/or for the public to get worked up when everyone is saying that the shooter is .

[zibazinski]

What's odd is that Florida can and does ticket for noise from cars. Maybe that county doesn't enforce it.

[mmhmm]

Jul 29, 2013 14:11:03 GMT -5 justme said:

I remember when news of this first came out. Everyone I knew pretty much sided on the shooter being the wackjob and hoping he goes down (the only dissention was if they kids did have a gun, but it was never found). Most people didn't see it as the same situation as Trayvon (really, shooting over loud noise?) so it fell to the wayside around her whereas the Trayvon case was more controversial and there were people on both sides.

It's hard to get the media to pay attention to a case and/or for the public to get worked up when everyone is saying that the shooter is .

I don't see any correlation between the two cases, either, just me.

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I just heard a black guy got pulled over in Florida for speeding by a white cop.

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I'm pretty sure if I had to shoot somebody because I felt my life was threatened, I'd be calling the police myself. I sure wouldn't leave the scene without talking to them.

Actually I have to agree with you there mmhmm.

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Jul 29, 2013 23:22:10 GMT -5 @mmc said:

I just heard a black guy got pulled over in Florida for speeding by a white cop.

I bet that damned cop was profiling by only pulling over speeding cars.