"THE" MARKET WRAP WITH PERCEPTIONS!!!

[damnotagain]

Well Darla, as usual your short on comprehension and long on wind!

[sunrnr]

Aug 21, 2013 18:43:00 GMT -5 damnotagain said:

Well Darla, as usual your short on comprehension and long on wind!

How about "Q, I strongly disagree with you about _______ and here's why ______" 

[damnotagain]

You mean like actually checking facts instead of blowing wind. 

Apr 24, 2013 at 9:26pm frankq said:
Hey damn, just in case you think bullshitium doesn't exist.....

www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bullshitium

1. bullshitium


The concept of bullshit as an addition to the Periodic Table of Elements

Your argument is pure weapons-grade bullshitium


Frank we have discussed the displacement of the people of Japan. Radiation and its coming effects . The plight of the unemployed. Ignored the post about how the new chained cpi will effect the old and disabled. ... The inability of the fed to produce the jobs required to get our economy running. "Market up". not once focusing on the "human element."

I wonder if anyone else has noticed , not just yourself but as wxyz would put it " who gives a shit" about what is happening to other people as long as your making money.

Yet you zero in on profits and what play I made. Insisting I am full of bullshitium. Hoping to
feed off the information
Guess we will see what that shit taste like.

Now you say you know who I am ? Then you should not have any problem finding the post I made to one of your buds on the REIT some 2 years ago?
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see those dates

[damnotagain]

Doom, Gloom & Conspiracy Index Spot On Again!
Apr 25, 2013 at 8:51pm QuoteEditPost by damnotagain on Apr 25, 2013 at 8:51pm
Up 5.66% so far this year !


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Be good and you will be lonesome!

M . Twain

see that date . Compare the REIT to the numbers and date. 
 

As smart as you all are that shouldn't be to hard to figure out.. 

[damnotagain]

Buckwheat was a n_____ so lets start with franks comment sunr, when it comes to starting a civil discussion. 

[damnotagain]

[sunrnr]

Ok, I see where you're coming from and why. My apology ...

[damnotagain]

Aug 21, 2013 14:08:43 GMT -5 damnotagain said:

Jul 31, 2013 10:18:42 GMT -5 damnotagain said:

Home > FRED® Economic Data > Sources > Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis > Money Velocity

Velocity of M2 Money Stock (M2V)

2013:Q2: 1.575 Ratio Hide Last 5 Observations
2013:Q1: 1.583
2012:Q4: 1.591
2012:Q3: 1.622
2012:Q2: 1.637
Quarterly, Seasonally Adjusted, Updated: 2013-07-31 9:36 AM CDT

1.53 ? Looks like its been revised and has dropped. 

research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/M2V?rid=193&soid=4
research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/M1V
research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/MZMV

looking at the link above and comparing the three charts from the St. Louis fed click on each charts last 5 observations . All I see is down 

[damnotagain]

The above charts show there has been no real recovery on main street. Regardless  of all the money printed. Top 1% have gained plenty , while joe six pack continues like a hamster on a wheel.

[usaone]

I agree with you on the top couple percent making a killing over the last several years but Joe Six Pack would be in much worse shape without the Fed. The Fed always prints money.

[damnotagain]

"Flash Freeze"  ??   ...... Interesting to see the numbers when it re-opens !

[frankq]

Buckwheat was a n_____ so lets start with franks comment sunr, when it comes to starting a civil discussion

Hey asswipe, my comment wasn't meant to infer anything so lets cut the shit. The FACT is, you guys quoted a ton of stuff, including sources that you agreed with, that called for hundreds of thousands of deaths including children in California from Fuki fallout. It never happened that way.

You called for economic collapse from sequestration and the loss of ONE MILLION JOBS. IT NEVER HAPPENED. The only thing that happened was some furlough days. Tough.

You keep bringing up the phantom REIT. The FACT is, you skirted the question months ago when asked repeatedly. Quoting and footnoting stuff months after the fact is meaningless. If you made some money, good for you. We'll never know don't really care.

As far as a civil discussion, Buckwheat was an African American, which I assumed was what you actually meant when you said he was a "n____". The fact that you would actually choose to post something like that, and then talk about civil discussions in the same breath is evidence that you can have neither an intelligent or civil discussion with anyone, especially those that don't subscribe to your particular brand of alarmism.

Yet you zero in on profits and what play I made. Insisting I am full of bullshitium. Hoping to
feed off the information
Guess we will see what that shit taste like.

Not interested in your "plays". Not interested in your information. What is interesting is that you're still worked up over my coined term "bullshitium". I must have really hit home with that one........LOL!!!

[frankq]

The above charts show there has been no real recovery on main street. Regardless of all the money printed. Top 1% have gained plenty , while joe six pack continues like a hamster on a wheel.

The isn't one person out here that has said that the economy is wine and roses. We have disagreed on the severity of the downturn and the strength of the recovery. None of us out here have said that the job situation is great. We said it's improving. The fact of the matter is, the American economy is changing, and there will be some pain as well as some gain. America's loss of jobs over the last decade isn't all about the economy, it is also about technology. Technology will be the biggest "destroyer" of jobs in this country and in every advanced country with a mature economy. It isn't pleasant, but it's true. The focus of any investor is to adapt to the situation presented at any given time and hopefully make the best possible decisions and moves to minimize losses when situations change and markets fall and make money when markets rise. You try to stay in step with a changing world. I've said many times, managing your money is a contact sport. Period. So the top 1% gained plenty....So what? With some balls and a little brain power, a lot of people could have gained. A lot of us out here did. I make no apologies for profiting over the last few years. I didn't borrow any money from you or anyone else to do it. If the fact that some of us did well while "Joe 6-pack" didn't bothers you, then too bad. I work for a living too. Instead of bitching about stuff, we did something about it. So the Fed pumped dough into the economy...So what? If you were smart enough to take advantage of it, good for you. If you spent the last few years crying about it and burying your dough in the backyard in mason jars with your pile of MRE's waiting for the end of times, then you lost. If you bought gold or silver a couple of years ago, you lose. Silver is trading at less than half of it's all-time high. If the Fed stops bond buying, which they say they are going to do, metals fall again. If the economy remains strong enough for the Fed to pull out, stocks take off again on the good news. If you believe in the American commerce system, or those of economically advanced nations, stocks are the only option. Business makes the world go 'round.

Metals are panic holds. They are bought at a premium to the market quotes because gold is bought through dealers. Gold is sold through dealers. Gold is generally sold as coinage, at a premium to it's weighted value. The "physical" cannot be transferred electronically. It pays no dividend. It is literally worthless until it is converted into "currency". The sellers of gold and silver tell you that you must buy it because our "debt notes" are worthless.....but they say they'll sell you this fantastic asset for only 1% over cost....and they'll take your worthless shit dollars or a credit card for payment......Hmmmm.........

[damnotagain]

As for the REIT please turn back the page and see who brought it up! Like I've said short on comprehension with a little memory loss but long on wind.

Lol, It would seem from your response that you care plenty about what I have to say. As for the nword , your halo is just fell off.   Buckwheat! Really ! Damn where is Jesse and Al when you need them. 

[mmhmm]

The name calling is to stop, NOW.  No questions, no excuses.  It is to stop, NOW. - mmhmm, Administrator who will start making entire posts go *poof*.

[frankq]

Ok damn, you're the Oracle of Old News. happy? We have all seen this act before. Thanks for stopping by. If you took my calling you Buckwheat as a racial thing, then I can assure you that you were mistaken, but based on your description of said character it speaks volumes about you. Say hello to the rest of your friends in Mississippi for me. And I see that you actually didn't respond to the real substance of my post. Business as usual for you. So let me make it clear for you. On these pages we often talk about investments. You can feel free to discuss anything the admins let you talk about. But when people start making specific, sometimes questionable statements about how much they made on an investment, you can expect a few simple questions from other investors. When people ignore, deflect, or offer vague innuendos to said questions, we're going to question the veracity of the statements made. If we have to continuously question the statements you make, then we can't take them seriously, we can only accept them as a form or amusement That's the way it is.

So, I ask again.....What happened to the one million sequester job losses?
What happened to the hundreds of thousands of dead from Fuki?
Where is gold today compared with 18 months ago?
Why didn't you answer my question about your 2 hour change of heart from your "call" yesterday?
If paper currency is worthless, why do gold dealers accept them as payment for such "valuable real money" like gold?

And do us a favor and don't soil jarrett's thread with your nonsense. Oh, I took your advise and tried to look up the REIT as you posted.

DWSRREEF Global Infrastructure FundTOLLX

Overall Morningstar Risk: Low | See Important Objectives and Risk Information Below
 
Growth of a $10,000 Investment from 06/24/08 to 06/30/13

06/08  03/09  03/10  03/11  03/12    03/13   06/13     
$9425 $5955 $8412 $10031 $11252 $13574 $13387

So, over the LIFE of the fund, it returned a 7.26% average annual payout. I can see why you'd want to keep that kind of information under your hat...  I gotta tell you that a 7 and a quarter percent average return is really pretty lame dude. Especially after the market lows of 2009 and ensuing rally. Good thing you got in and out at just the right time... By comparison, you could have thrown a dart at a large cap mutual fund (pick one as you would say) and you would have earned an average growth rate of over 20% for the last 3 years. The one year is spectacular.....But good for you. I'm not understanding all the top secret-cloak and dagger stuff regarding this position, but whatever floats your boat.  Just think how much "folding money" you REALLY could have made.....LOL....

www.fidelity.com/fund-screener/evaluator.shtml#!&ft=DSTK_LG&rsk=5&ntf=Y

So, if you want to continue this nonsense, take it to the Doom and Gloom thread and I'll be glad to hand you your ass there. No more responses by me on Jarrett's thread.



 

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Aug 22, 2013 9:00:01 GMT -5 damnotagain said:

The above charts show there has been no real recovery on main street. Regardless  of all the money printed. Top 1% have gained plenty , while joe six pack continues like a hamster on a wheel.

 Actually that isn't what that chart shows at all damn, in fact, why does it peak way back in the 90's? 

[damnotagain]

q, I did post some information as usual you started your bullshit, how's that taste anyway? 
Your the only one that hasn't posted any investment news. Contriditions in almost everything you say. Just criticism with little insight.
Cynic comes to mind. 

Aham, 1990 has nothing to do with the lack of currency in circulation today. There is a shortage of fiat currency in some third world country's . They just can not get there hands on dollars. 

All this money sits on bank reserves and is used for no more than speculation in an market that has very few non institutional investors. After yesterday's " freeze " I look for even the few left in it to get out. 

 Now answer this riddle , where would all your investments be if the fed had not added all the liquidity to the markets? 

[frankq]

The inability of the fed to produce the jobs required to get our economy running. "Market up". not once focusing on the "human element."

Just a general clarification.....the Fed doesn't produce jobs. Governments hopefully create the conditions necessary for businesses to flourish and create jobs. As individuals, we cannot do anything about the "human element" per se. In fact, as I stated in an earlier post, the biggest negative impact to jobs in many ways is technology. One look at manufacturing will show you that. CNC machining has made tool and die making almost a lost art. How many clerical and accounting jobs have been eliminated by computers over the last 20 years. Electronic mail and banking. Internet purchasing has cost hundreds of thousands of jobs in brick and mortar stores. Automated checkouts in all stores. Automated inventory control based on computerized transactions. It has been happening that way for a hundred years. Live in the past, and you can go broke.

Next up after the big nothing over the coming Fed pullout will be a whole new round of budget fights, but this time with a big twist. Since the big Sequester Disaster of 2013 failed to materialize, it's going to be tough for the Obamites to use their fear mongering strategy with the citizenry. A Fed backoff, plus a little monetary control, forced or otherwise by Washington, spells not so good news for metals. And lets see what happens to the Treasury markets when the Fed reduces and eventually stops bond buying and reduces demand. I think at that point I want to be in equities, especially if I can get 4-5% on my money with quality blue chips that are getting cheaper every day.

[damnotagain]

Your right Q, the Feds mandate is to promote maximum employment by utilizing its monetary policy. I stand corrected.

Jobs can only be created in an environment conducive to small business . They are the real wheel behind this machine we call the USA. It's too bad that regulation, taxation and the outsourcing of industry cash to avoid such policy's are destroying the middle class.
Some great information

Respects

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Aug 23, 2013 4:18:41 GMT -5 damnotagain said:

q, I did post some information as usual you started your bullshit, how's that taste anyway? 
Your the only one that hasn't posted any investment news. Contriditions in almost everything you say. Just criticism with little insight.
Cynic comes to mind. 

Aham, 1990 has nothing to do with the lack of currency in circulation today. There is a shortage of fiat currency in some third world country's . They just can not get there hands on dollars. 

All this money sits on bank reserves and is used for no more than speculation in an market that has very few non institutional investors. After yesterday's " freeze " I look for even the few left in it to get out. 

 Now answer this riddle , where would all your investments be if the fed had not added all the liquidity to the markets? 

Damn, this right here is what drives people like Q nuts. I don't know if you do it on purpose to stir the pot, but it doesn't matter to me. You can't post a chart as your argument, say when it peaked doesn't matter, then turn around and try and change the subject by asking some hypothetical question, sir.

The fact that it peaked in the 90's is a huge fact, and the fact that you don't understand that tells me that you don't understand the chart you're using as evidence towards your point.

When people(J6P) started using their house like a bank, all the "new" money that went into the economy was actually debt. That's why M2V started dropping after the late 90's and has shaped the reality that we live in today.

It's not growing right now for a few reasons. Investors are using their existing monies to buy up houses, a lot cash. These houses are "owned" by the bank, but the reality is these houses are actually debt on the books. Once again no money is created because all these foreclosed homes are like a black hole in the banking system. Once the remaining 4 million or so are cleared up it will help with velocity in the overall economy.

Consumers are paying down debt and saving more, all good money management skills I endorse, but does nothing for money velocity.(M2V)

The biggest reason it's not growing with all this new money; bonds and MBS. Both are financial products based on debt. The money isn't going directly into the economy, it's facilitating support so that the economy can work it's way out naturally, through business cycles, not GOVT SPENDING.

That said, I will answer your hypothetical question. Where would my investments be without the Feds support of the general economy? I would say in a better place than Joe would be on the street. Stocks and bonds made it through the civil war, and there is always lots of money spent cleaning up a mess.

Only God knows how it would have went, and the reality is that it happen the way it was supposed to happen. But I can guarantee you that Joe would be worse off than he is now and the 1% would still be the 1%, had the Fed not intervened in the economy. 

[frankq]

Aug 23, 2013 15:12:42 GMT -5 damnotagain said:

Your right Q, the Feds mandate is to promote maximum employment by utilizing its monetary policy. I stand corrected.

Jobs can only be created in an environment conducive to small business . They are the real wheel behind this machine we call the USA. It's too bad that regulation, taxation and the outsourcing of industry cash to avoid such policy's are destroying the middle class.
Some great information

Respects

Damn....Agreed. Thanks.

Aham....Right on.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Q, thanks!  Stay frosty my friend, because of the confirmation of chemical weapons in Syria, a Senior U.S. Democrat urges air strikes .   

[damnotagain]

Aham, that seems like a lot weight to put on the back of Joe Six Pack . But just like today he will bear the weight. Let's take a look at it from different prospective. My theory is he is no less negligent than the very people that gave him that money. A little review . 

"The Federal Reserve, consistent with its responsibilities as the Nation’s central bank, affirmed today its readiness to serve as a source of liquidity to support the economic and financial system."

Those words were not written yesterday though they sound familiar . They were not written in in 2008 either. They were written in 1987. Black October comes to mind.  Seems to be the month that shit just falls apart in the markets. Even the federal reserve doesn't blame it on joe six pak. 

There were 10 large institutional investors that took a beating that year. Why because technology is not as refine as it is in today's markets. Program trading was in its infancy and even the fed states the cause of the collapse it one of its reports. 

To think that those institution were going to take over a 1 trillion dollar hit from their own mistakes seems a little unlikely . 
Housing was actually doing very well up to that point. As the values seemed to rise almost 10% a year of course ol joe wants to party like its 1999 . He is ust going to work and paying the bills. ( joe isn't a market guy) 

So what happens more derivatives. How can we play catch up and pack it into ol Joe. 

What we have is history repeating itself in that the losses once again are being past onto ol Joe while the profits go back to the top. 

Anyone interested in reading the Feds take on the collapse can read it here. 
www.federalreserve.gov/Pubs/feds/2007/200713/200713pap.pdf

[damnotagain]

Hell just froze over q. 

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Damn, there you go trying to change to topic again, we were talking about money velocity not who is at fault for the crisis of '08. On the topic of the crisis...

DoJ Sues BofA Over Mortgage-Backed Securities.....

[frankq]

Q, thanks! Stay frosty my friend, because of the confirmation of chemical weapons in Syria, a Senior U.S. Democrat urges air strikes .

Did you catch the video of all those dead kids? I hope our F-22's are on the ready deck right now. We should lay waste to those bastards and give the rest of the assholes in the region a fucking wake-up call, including that ass bandit Russian stroke. Who gives a shit about a UN resolution. Every time we have a "coalition", we end up shouldering 90% of the forces, money, and deaths. Some things you do just because it's the right thing to do. Time to get some.........

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Yeah I seen that, sad as hell man. Now here is a situation that really has had the side effect if affecting over a million people. Syria's response to the boats.. Assad's minister says 'Middle East will burn if US attacks Syria' It's going to be as crazy as hell as China gets more involved, stay cool q.

[sunrnr]

Aug 24, 2013 17:23:22 GMT -5 frankq said:

Q, thanks! Stay frosty my friend, because of the confirmation of chemical weapons in Syria, a Senior U.S. Democrat urges air strikes .

Did you catch the video of all those dead kids? I hope our F-22's are on the ready deck right now. We should lay waste to those bastards and give the rest of the assholes in the region a fucking wake-up call, including that ass bandit Russian stroke. Who gives a shit about a UN resolution. Every time we have a "coalition", we end up shouldering 90% of the forces, money, and deaths. Some things you do just because it's the right thing to do. Time to get some.........

Certainly people, including kids, appear to have died. We, the world's public have no way of knowing what really happened or who's responsible. We're only fed select spin pieces designed to fit someones' agenda.

If true, someone unleashed a horrible killing machine. HOWVER, the timing seems very suspicious as well as the intent. Could have been someone within Assad's forces, could have been someone with in the rebels' forces or it could be a third party with it's own agenda trying to get the world's attention and become involved. We've been down this road too many times since Vietnam, let's not rush to judgement and get involved in a no win situation again.

That said, instigation of WWIII in the middle east would boost the profits of defense and security companies and bolster the US economy. That also has been the "business plan" tried many times before, Hell, it might even delay the pending collapse of the world monetary system for a decade or more.

You may remember (or not) Cheney's Energy Plan drafted during secret meetings. This appears to be the next domino in the plan. 

[usaone]

It sure looks like we are getting ready to do something. Four war ships positioning off Syria. 

Assad is Shitting a Brick right about now.

Reagan tripled the National Debt and greatly increased the size of government employees to get our economy going again. Will we need to do that again? Time will tell.