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Post by HoneyBBQ on Jun 27, 2013 12:13:58 GMT -5
I don't hear about too many track athletes getting incarcerated. Or tennis. Or golf.
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 27, 2013 12:22:04 GMT -5
I don't hear about too many track athletes getting incarcerated. Or tennis. Or golf. Except Oscar Pitorious.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2013 12:26:33 GMT -5
I don't hear about too many track athletes getting incarcerated. Or tennis. Or golf. Except Oscar Pitorious. She meant track stars that have both their legs still attached.
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Jun 27, 2013 12:27:46 GMT -5
I don't hear about too many track athletes getting incarcerated. Or tennis. Or golf. Except Oscar Pitorious. and Marion Jones. I thought her ex-husband, shot-putter CJ Hunter, also served time, but I am unable to find that information.
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Post by Angel! on Jun 27, 2013 12:27:48 GMT -5
Ok, I just read details on this & honestly this guy sounds like a psycho. I don't think the problem is just that football players get head injuries or the sport is likely to attract violent guys - I don't necessarily agree with that last part either.
I think part of it is when you are a star player often starting in highschool you start to get protected from the consequences of your actions. I could see beginning to get a god-like complex between the money you make & feeling like no one can touch you no matter what you do. Look at how many have tried to protect those 2 highschool boys from their rape charges & how much blame is being put on the girl for ruining their lives. From a fairly young age some of these players are taught they are literally above the rules because they are special. Add in some brain damage, perhaps a poor childhood, & a few "yes men" & you get guys doing crazy stupid stuff because they don't think there will be consequences.
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Post by muttleynfelix on Jun 27, 2013 12:30:09 GMT -5
Except Oscar Pitorious. and Marion Jones. I thought her ex-husband, shot-putter CJ Hunter, also served time, but I am unable to find that information. I don't think he committed perjury. She did and that is why she got hard time....apparently a good portion of it in solitary for getting to a fight.
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Post by HoneyBBQ on Jun 27, 2013 12:46:44 GMT -5
I don't hear about too many track athletes getting incarcerated. Or tennis. Or golf. Except Oscar Pitorious. Ah shit, that's true. Forgot about that dude.
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Post by HoneyBBQ on Jun 27, 2013 12:48:18 GMT -5
Except Oscar Pitorious. and Marion Jones. I thought her ex-husband, shot-putter CJ Hunter, also served time, but I am unable to find that information. Marion Jones was for check fraud, though, not a violent crime. Or drugs, or lying, or something along those lines.
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Jun 27, 2013 12:53:35 GMT -5
and Marion Jones. I thought her ex-husband, shot-putter CJ Hunter, also served time, but I am unable to find that information. Marion Jones was for check fraud, though, not a violent crime. Or drugs, or lying, or something along those lines. Yup, thanks. Found that info. I'll count her anyway, though. Mostly because of the drug issues before the check/fraud arrests. Not saying one led to the other, mind you. But I'm wondering if once on that slippery slope, it's just a continuation.
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Post by ontrack on Jun 27, 2013 14:10:29 GMT -5
I saw a thing on ESPN that his dad died in 2006 and that's when his issues started. Not to say that's an excuse, but it reinforces the need for good parenting.
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Post by chiver78 on Jun 27, 2013 14:28:47 GMT -5
so what I'm reading in further coverage on the new investigation, apparently there were two more guys in the car back in 2012 that survived. I'm wondering if they are the ones that he had "had trouble with before" when he was having his disagreement with the guy that got killed this week. I hate speculating, I really shouldn't. but my L&O brain wants to take this whole thing and figure it all out.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Jun 27, 2013 14:36:01 GMT -5
I saw a thing on ESPN that his dad died in 2006 and that's when his issues started. Not to say that's an excuse, but it reinforces the need for good parenting. Some of these people need someone to put a foot to their ass and tell them when they screw up instead of being a yes man. My brother and I were talking about this the other day. We are blessed with a family who loves and would do anything to support us. At the same time, they will be the first to tell us when we screw up and have our head stuck up our ass.
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Post by souldoubt on Jun 27, 2013 15:07:59 GMT -5
Football or professional sports aren't the reason this guy is an idiot. You can take the thug out of the ghetto but you can't take the ghetto out of the thug. Look at individuals across all walks of life who end up with money whether it's from professional sports, music, the lottery, etc. That money doesn't change who some of them are at their core and a high percentage of individuals like that are broke once their career ends despite making millions. Antoine Walker made over 100M playing basketball and the dude is flat broke with Vegas casinos coming after him and he tried to make a come back at the age of 38 and it wasn't for love of the game. A high percentage of NBA and NFL players are broke within 3-5 years of leaving the league because they live lavished lifestyles, get taken advantage of by people they trust and make poor decisions. When you're an adult that's ultimately on you and no one else.
The NFL has made huge strides in trying to teach rookies coming into the league by having former pros talk to them about being smart with their money because the older guys are broke both physically and financially in some cases. This happens after the draft and they've added more to the process to try and help the players out. That said there's only so much they can do because aside from suspending or reprimanding someone who breaks the rules they can't tell guys what to do with their money, who they have in their posse and so on.
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 27, 2013 15:09:52 GMT -5
I hate speculating, I really shouldn't. but my L&O brain wants to take this whole thing and figure it all out. LOL - I was talking to my husband the other day and I told him that I am done with trying to be fair and innocent until proven guilty and whatever. Unless they put me on the jury, my opinion doesn't matter - so I might as well have one. And there is no reason it can't be based on whatever I want it to be based on. Shifty eyes, or an ugly tattoo, or the fact that anyone wears a certain brand of sneakers is a douchebag - it doesn't matter why I think he is guilty. Because it doesn't matter IF I think he is guilty. I have learned to revel in the fact that I don't matter.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Jun 27, 2013 15:15:27 GMT -5
Football or professional sports aren't the reason this guy is an idiot. You can take the thug out of the ghetto but you can't take the ghetto out of the thug. Look at individuals across all walks of life who end up with money whether it's from professional sports, music, the lottery, etc. That money doesn't change who some of them are at their core and a high percentage of individuals like that are broke once their career ends despite making millions. Antoine Walker made over 100M playing basketball and the dude is flat broke with Vegas casinos coming after him and he tried to make a come back at the age of 38 and it wasn't for love of the game. A high percentage of NBA and NFL players are broke within 3-5 years of leaving the league because they live lavished lifestyles, get taken advantage of by people they trust and make poor decisions. When you're an adult that's on you and no one else. This is true but I think that all circles back to not knowing what to do. They've never had positive role models. There's no shortage of people trying to prey on them with investments and the like. When your reality growing up is going hungry and the lights being off well you don't know about things like saving for retirement. I think the leagues are trying to educate them especially the rookies. At some point you do have to help yourself and we have the internet and all that but it would be hard to do from scratch. I've been blessed with an abundance of positive role models as I go through life. I realize this is a blessing not everyone has.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2013 16:29:34 GMT -5
Ok, Bristol is not THAT much of a ghetto. At least it wasn't when I grew up in the general area.
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Post by doxieluvr on Jun 27, 2013 17:29:50 GMT -5
I have been preoccupied this week and not following all the news, but I did watch the bail hearing today while at the hospital. It is a shame that a talented, good looking guy just gave up a promising future.
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Post by chiver78 on Jun 27, 2013 17:37:50 GMT -5
in hearing things from my Gator fan friends down south, I don't think this surprises any of them. sounds like he's not "just" giving it away, that this was the inevitable end of a pattern.
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