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Post by thyme4change on Jun 27, 2013 8:12:13 GMT -5
What a dirt bag.
I'm sick of pumping young men full of testosterone and rewarding them for being violent, and then being so surprised when they are assholes.
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Post by swamp on Jun 27, 2013 8:26:02 GMT -5
I'm not naïve enough to think that this is a new phenomenon with elite athletes. It makes me wonder exactly what people got away with previously.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2013 8:28:06 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2013 8:45:34 GMT -5
What a dirt bag. I'm sick of pumping young men full of testosterone and rewarding them for being violent, and then being so surprised when they are assholes. maybe I'm naive, but without all the accolades and extra testosterone, this guy would still most likely be an asshole and possibly still a murderer.
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 27, 2013 8:52:07 GMT -5
He might be an asshole. But, if instead of his whole life he was rewarded for reading or running instead of crushing someone and slamming them into the ground - would he have a different view on life? If he was punished instead of rewarded for using brute strength, would he have found a different way to resolve problems? At any point in his life, was he given any "nutritional supplement" that encouraged anger over peace? Does excessive amounts of working out/lifting weights release certain hormones or chemicals into your system that make you more prone to anger?
Even if all of that didn't make a lick of difference, is it possible that if he wasn't a multi-millionaire, or the "star" on the high school team, or "going places" in college, that he would have been picked up for some 2-bit charge and instead of having the freedom and resources to kill this guy, he would have already been in jail, or elsewhere?
Or, maybe not, maybe he would have still been a killer. Who knows. It just seems like the NFL has a problem with a certain percentage of their players.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2013 8:56:35 GMT -5
that could be true, Thyme. I also feel the opposite way - that the NFL and certain types of sports in general attract people who have the propensity to be violent jerks.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2013 8:57:48 GMT -5
Maybe he played a lot of Call of Duty in his younger years.
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Jun 27, 2013 8:59:32 GMT -5
What a dirt bag. I'm sick of pumping young men full of testosterone and rewarding them for being violent, and then being so surprised when they are assholes. maybe I'm naive, but without all the accolades and extra testosterone, this guy would still most likely be an asshole and possibly still a murderer. Sad but true. Dirtbaggery is a condition that exists with or without the spotlight and the shots. I think people tend to blame the problems that sports and film celebrities have on their fame, and the clutch of people around them who can and will do a lot of their enabling. But a lot of the downslide starts earlier than that. You look at how some of the current trainwrecks were raised, and you have to wonder what their parents were thinking, particularly for those adults who were famous even as kids. Where was the early framework, the stability, the understanding that this kind of talent had to be nurtured, but the young person who possessed it also had to be handled carefully? FWIW, I don't know Aaron Hernandez's background. I have not seen anything in the media about it.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Jun 27, 2013 8:59:50 GMT -5
One of the NFL's players who was in trouble back to his WVU days was discovered to have brain damage after his death. Brain damage that would have inhibited impulse control and led to the poor decisions he made. I suspect a fair amount of them have brain damage to some degree. And some people are just thugs at heart no matter what their occupation is.
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Post by swamp on Jun 27, 2013 9:10:24 GMT -5
I feel for the relatives in both families. This is really messed up and stupid. I bet Aaron is really pleased he bought that surveillance camera. I think WVU might have something there with the brain damage angle.........
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Post by chiver78 on Jun 27, 2013 9:10:44 GMT -5
One of the NFL's players who was in trouble back to his WVU days was discovered to have brain damage after his death. Brain damage that would have inhibited impulse control and led to the poor decisions he made. I suspect a fair amount of them have brain damage to some degree. And some people are just thugs at heart no matter what their occupation is. some media coverage I've seen has hinted at this possible defensive strategy. all I know is, the media needs to stop covering every waking minute of this whole thing. one of the local news stations actually had a helicopter trailing the van that was transporting him from city lockup to the county jail. really? totally not necessary.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Jun 27, 2013 9:18:59 GMT -5
Maybe interest will fizzle out. Of course they make more money covering the bad stuff. People doing good things doesn't equal ratings. This is why the judge had to issue gag orders to the prosecutors and defense attorneys. I think there needs to be a whole lot less attention paid by the media to these types of things. There's a line between keeping the public reasonably informed and making it a media circus and giving them 24-7 publicity.
I'll let the justice system do it's job but at the least, he displayed some spectacularly bad judgement with the firearms violations.
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Post by giramomma on Jun 27, 2013 9:20:22 GMT -5
He might be an asshole. But, if instead of his whole life he was rewarded for reading or running instead of crushing someone and slamming them into the ground - would he have a different view on life? Then this means that our society needs to value reading and running over Honey Boo Boo, what Brad Pitt and Angelia Jolie are doing, and what Kim K was wearing when she gave birth. (I'm grasping at straws here, we don't have cable. I'm just quoting what I see in the rag magazines in the grocery store.) And, let's face it, sports, for a lot of kids, is a way out of a not so good life. I don't see a ton of low income kids being wowed by Warren Buffett or Bill Gates. These men don't lead very sexy lives. (As a side note, have you actually read the national guidelines for what kids are supposed to read at every grade level. I'm shocked at how low these new standards are.)
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Post by Bob Ross on Jun 27, 2013 9:27:52 GMT -5
Alls I know is that if I were an NFL player, I'd avoid nightclubs.
It seems like the majority of these incidents happen outside of a nightclub, or because of something that happened at a nightclub.
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Post by swamp on Jun 27, 2013 9:35:53 GMT -5
Alls I know is that if I were an NFL player, I'd avoid nightclubs. It seems like the majority of these incidents happen outside of a nightclub, or because of something that happened at a nightclub. I think they should just avoid enough drinking and drug consumption so they get to the stupid level.
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Post by genericname on Jun 27, 2013 9:35:58 GMT -5
(As a side note, have you actually read the national guidelines for what kids are supposed to read at every grade level. I'm shocked at how low these new standards are.) I have not seen the list. Where do you find the national standards? Being a parent is a pain, there is so much to read up on!
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Post by NoNamePerson on Jun 27, 2013 9:42:47 GMT -5
One of the NFL's players who was in trouble back to his WVU days was discovered to have brain damage after his death. Brain damage that would have inhibited impulse control and led to the poor decisions he made. I suspect a fair amount of them have brain damage to some degree. And some people are just thugs at heart no matter what their occupation is. some media coverage I've seen has hinted at this possible defensive strategy. all I know is, the media needs to stop covering every waking minute of this whole thing. one of the local news stations actually had a helicopter trailing the van that was transporting him from city lockup to the county jail. really? totally not necessary. I caught that on the tail end and thought we had another O.J. slow chase. Confused me for a minute there
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Post by chiver78 on Jun 27, 2013 9:52:32 GMT -5
in other related news.....I just noticed this headline in my FB feed. I haven't seen it reported anywhere else yet, but it references the BPD blog. Fox25 link
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2013 9:56:13 GMT -5
He is a tight end...I'm not sure how much "roughing up" of the other players that that position does. Maybe I'm wrong though. I don't think of it as a violent position like a linebacker.
From what I've read on this, they are going to have a hard time pinning the murder on any of the three men.....seems like three of them were there the entire time, so who actually did it??
What a waste. So many kids would love to make it to the NFL, play for the Pats and have a 40mm contract and he threw it all away over, what sounds like, something stupid.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Jun 27, 2013 10:01:29 GMT -5
While he's not a linebacker constantly hitting every play, offensive positions like tight end can take some brutal hits. The defensive guys are after all trying to keep them from making plays. A lot of the time those guys are much larger than your tight end, wide receiver, or running back. They are also blocking on some plays.
I don't know why he's made some poor decisions but I think brain damage could be a possibility. Maybe he thinks he can do whatever he wants because of who he is. I think it is hard to diagnose brain damage like that when the person is alive. They were only able to diagnose Chris Henry with it after his death. After the autopsy and that diagnosis, his pattern of behavior made sense. Well a normal person wouldn't do what he did, but his brain wasn't "normal". For what it's worth, Henry was a wide receiver.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2013 10:46:06 GMT -5
Good point, WVU...he might not be in an aggressive position, but he is certainly getting hit. It's just all so unfortunate.
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Post by giramomma on Jun 27, 2013 10:53:51 GMT -5
I have not seen the list. Where do you find the national standards? Being a parent is a pain, there is so much to read up on! I'll try to send you a PM today with a link. I found them once sort of by accident. Don't want to completely derail the thread. And, my opinion that the standards are low holds a lot of weight, since it's just based on our reading habits and my family...
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 27, 2013 10:56:03 GMT -5
I don't think there is a position in football that doesn't value aggression. Even the water boy gets chosen on "enthusiasm."
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Jun 27, 2013 11:22:07 GMT -5
Just when it appears it can get no worse for Aaron Hernandez, it does.
According to FOX 25 in Boston, Hernandez is being investigated in connection with a July 2012 double murder occurring in Boston.
Per the report, police found three shooting victims at the intersection of Shawmut Avenue and Herald Street in Boston at 2:00 a.m. on July 16. Two were dead: Safiro Furtado and Daniel Abreu.
Witnesses, according to the report, said persons in a gray or silver SUV having Rhode Island license plates opened fire.
The investigation remains ongoing. Coincidentally, Hernandez signed his $41 million contract with the Patriots the very next month.
From Profootballtalk.com
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 27, 2013 11:23:51 GMT -5
When you hear things like that do you ever wonder if he actually was involved with the previous shooting and thought to himself "I got away with that! I can get away with anything!"
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Jun 27, 2013 11:26:43 GMT -5
There's also something about a civil suit in Florida for shooting someone in the face or something. Not sure on details of that one, obviously.
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 27, 2013 11:29:59 GMT -5
The two thing I heard about the Florida case was (1) it was civil, not criminal - so there is a clearly a burden of proof issue, and (2) it was dismissed because of an error in the paperwork, but there is no reason it can't be refiled.
So that one sounds like a real oddball thing.
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Post by chiver78 on Jun 27, 2013 11:36:37 GMT -5
I posted that an hour ago, Beth.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Jun 27, 2013 11:40:54 GMT -5
Whoops.
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Post by hoops902 on Jun 27, 2013 11:51:43 GMT -5
::Then this means that our society needs to value reading and running over Honey Boo Boo, what Brad Pitt and Angelia Jolie are doing, and what Kim K was wearing when she gave birth.::
It does? I wasn't aware any of those people were rewarded for their violent behavior.
::I don't think there is a position in football that doesn't value aggression. Even the water boy gets chosen on "enthusiasm." ::
There are many positions which don't value physical aggression. Quarterback, receiver, corner, kicker, punter. Enthusiasm, or aggressive tactics is not the same as physical aggression. And frankly offensive lineman often does not value aggression, it values intelligence and often the ability to react to aggression with the appropriate behavior (sometimes aggressiveness, sometimes being smart enough not to). Aggression is primarily valued on the defensive side of the ball.
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