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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 13, 2011 14:19:54 GMT -5
Can't do a link with out getting 6 different article so hope this is OK in length.. This report puts a damper on Presidents strategy of having Afghan military ready to take over the job of protecting the country by 2014.. Possible with a corrupt President, overall same type of Government, {agree some good people but over shadowed by the bad} a military with out a real direction and populace indifference, just not possible, so do we stay or must go.
{Seriously I don't believe the right here, yes being partisan but also realistic, would allow us to go with out screaming foul to the heavens}
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Afghan Army Can’t Function Alone
A new report from the Government Accountability Office delivers a devastating blow to U.S. hopes of turning over security operations in Afghanistan to that nation’s military forces.
The report, released on Jan. 27 and based on assessments by NATO’s international force, discloses that not one Afghan army unit was able to operate independent of American-led coalition forces as of September 2010.
President Barack Obama has said U.S. troops will begin withdrawing from Afghanistan in July 2011, and he wants Afghan forces to take the lead on security operations by the end of 2014.
According to the GAO, the United States has spent $20 billion since 2002 developing the Afghan army, and another $7.5 billion is to be spent in fiscal 2011.
The report states that “as of September 2010, no ANA [Afghan National Army] unit was assessed” by the international coalition and American command “as capable of conducting its mission independent of coalition assistance.”
A unit is rated as being able to operate independently when it is “capable of planning, executing, and sustaining the full spectrum of its missions without assistance from coalition forces,” the GAO observes.
According to the GAO disclosures, there are many challenges that NATO and U.S.-led Afghan training missions face:
•86 percent of Afghan army recruits are illiterate, and literacy training must be provided to enable units to achieve the technical skills required to operate independently. •As of October 2010, about one-quarter of non-commissioned officer positions in Afghan combat units were unfilled. •In any given month from January to September 2010, more than one-quarter of Afghan soldiers were absent from duty"
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2011 15:01:51 GMT -5
Obama's timeline for withdrawal was ridiculous and political. This is not at all surprising.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 13, 2011 15:22:20 GMT -5
Obama's timeline for withdrawal was ridiculous and political. This is not at all surprising. [/quot Krickett , how to say this ..he had spent six months on the problem getting ideas and information from what we have as experts on the situation then after that made a decision...had been delt a losing hand by the previouse, seven years of nothing going on ..most assetts to Iraq,,the hand delivered was a losing one..a fact. "Obama's timeline for withdrawal was ridiculous and political. "..do you have a suggestion of what he should have done? I take it you have joined the Obama crowd of " Obama sucks because I said it and that all there is to it"...so you won't vote for him..thats your right and I respect it..however the joining just for the joining....the verbals because its easy..a fun thing..well......
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 13, 2011 15:29:37 GMT -5
Going forward, we will not blindly stay the course. Instead, we will set clear metrics to measure progress and hold ourselves accountable. We’ll consistently assess our efforts to train Afghan security forces and our progress in combating insurgents. We will measure the growth of Afghanistan’s economy, and its illicit narcotics production. And we will review whether we are using the right tools and tactics to make progress towards accomplishing our goals. www.whitehouse.gov/blog/09/03/27/A-New-Strategy-for-Afghanistan-and-Pakistan/[/blockquote]
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2011 15:57:39 GMT -5
What he should have done, Dez?? Well-- how about telling the truth and saying he did not know how long we would be in Afghanistan instead of saying what he did to appease the anti-war people??
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 13, 2011 15:59:51 GMT -5
Going forward, we will not blindly stay the course. Instead, we will set clear metrics to measure progress and hold ourselves accountable. We’ll consistently assess our efforts to train Afghan security forces and our progress in combating insurgents. We will measure the growth of Afghanistan’s economy, and its illicit narcotics production. And we will review whether we are using the right tools and tactics to make progress towards accomplishing our goals. www.whitehouse.gov/blog/09/03/27/A-New-Strategy-for-Afghanistan-and-Pakistan/[/blockquote] [/quote] I think here he is stuck behind the rock and the hard place...our people are doing, from the reports that are publiic , all they can do and doing a good job, it's just the cornerstone , the Afgan military, the corruption of karzi, government on the whole, no one willing or able to step forward to take his place, there isn't, and the Afghans military , , well read above. What I think will/may happen?..2014 we are a presence but not as we are, Afaghns military is in charge if security, really can't handle it, , if Karzi still alive , still in control, we are basically gone, the $ except for the military, only way to keep them, government hasn't the $, he'll deal with the Taliban, semi rule , possible they in the South, Notrthern Allience in the Noth and he in the Capital..seperate but sharing the spoils...and drugs. Only of worth for income in the whole country. Even though Taliban against it originally, only way to raise $...they will be into it even in a bigger way to raise $ so will accomadate ot in a way, possible not for those under their control to use it but as a source of income.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 13, 2011 16:09:30 GMT -5
What he should have done, Dez?? Well-- how about telling the truth and saying he did not know how long we would be in Afghanistan instead of saying what he did to appease the anti-war people?? He originally , his advisors here too, thought 2011 a beginning of a reduction in forces but every six months new reviews of what was actually happening ..reviews came in, new realities, so we are now to 2014.Still some reductions 2011..but it willm be up to the Afgans to take over security..thinking ready by 2014..but above the beginning of the thread , the latest findings. Our military originally suggested 80,000 more troops, a open budget if a Trullion to defeat EAlQuida and the Taliban, and a open ended time frame, meaning they hadn't a clue as to when it would be done, which in th ereality of your middle age grand kids might be going there to fight. He rejected that scenario. I realize in your mind you are of the mindset NOTHING this man can/will do will you find favor with, nothing, . Cut him no slack. So be it. I believe you are definitly in the camp of "Obama sucks because..."
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2011 16:44:12 GMT -5
Unfair, Dez. Several times I have said I think Obama did the best he could with different situations. You, my friend, are getting judgemental of quite a few posters lately. The fact is that I do not agree with hardly anything Obama does, and see no reason to pretend differently. Politicians are open game. Posters on the board, on the other hand-- are not. Hey- part of being ME is being open and honest and not caring if people do not like me because of it.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 13, 2011 16:51:27 GMT -5
Unfair, Dez. Several times I have said I think Obama did the best he could with different situations. You, my friend, are getting judgemental of quite a few posters lately. The fact is that I do not agree with hardly anything Obama does, and see no reason to pretend differently. Politicians are open game. Posters on the board, on the other hand-- are not. Hey- part of being ME is being open and honest and not caring if people do not like me because of it. Not being judgemental Krickett..giving you your do...as you said "The fact is that I do not agree with hardly anything Obama does" says to me very rarly will you give him any credit for anything..but if you feel my feelings of you being in the "Camp of Obama sucks because.." if that you feel is unfair, ok will with draw that..but I hope you aren't going to try and convince me there are posters here who don't post and feel that way...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2011 17:03:43 GMT -5
I doubt many posters HATE Obama, Dez, but a lot of us don't like the things he is doing.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 13, 2011 17:16:51 GMT -5
I doubt many posters HATE Obama, Dez, but a lot of us don't like the things he is doing. No kidding..but a lot of it I don't understand actually , espcially by those who benefit by his decisions but really what don't you care for. What specifically don't you like but I have to warn you, I would probably point out some things that might be uncomfortable to you so lets just drop it and move on.. I took away the thought that you are of the "Obama sucks because ...crowd, that should make you happy. I like back and forth that are factual arguments, emotional responses leave me cold Krickett. I may post to long at times , thoughI have adjusted that so a excerpt and a paragraph or two of a article with a explanation of thoughts , mine , is added. I try not to get emotional, I try to explain from a logical point of what I am thinking..when I get those back, even, especially , in the same tone , I really appreciate those, I learn from those and welcome those. As I said the emotional, non thought out and the rest of them..low tolerance for.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 13, 2011 17:32:42 GMT -5
There is a Far Side cartoon in which a caveman is writing on a classroom chalkboard multiple times, "i will not act like a neanderthal in class." I always took that as an example of punishing a person for simply being who they are.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Feb 13, 2011 19:33:43 GMT -5
Our military originally suggested 80,000 more troops, a open budget if a Trullion to defeat EAlQuida and the Taliban, and a open ended time frame, meaning they hadn't a clue as to when it would be done, which in th ereality of your middle age grand kids might be going there to fight.
He rejected that scenario.
Thank goodness he did!
how about telling the truth and saying he did not know how long we would be in Afghanistan
After the Iraq debacle, there is no way the American people would have accepted another open-ended war.
I've had my reservations about the Afghan issue (based on the history of the Russian "adventure" there). I was happy to see that Obama didn't rush in, but took a while to get as much information as possible before going forward. Naturally the Obama haters criticised him for the delay. But the last thing we need is another hard charging war happy President.
He's playing the hand he was dealt. I still have misgivings about it, however. Pakistan is a powder keg.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 13, 2011 20:23:01 GMT -5
Our military originally suggested 80,000 more troops, a open budget if a Trillion to defeat EAlQuida and the Taliban, and a open ended time frame, meaning they hadn't a clue as to when it would be done, which in th reality of your middle age grand kids might be going there to fight.
He rejected that scenario.Thank goodness he did! how about telling the truth and saying he did not know how long we would be in AfghanistanAfter the Iraq debacle, there is no way the American people would have accepted another open-ended war. I've had my reservations about the Afghan issue (based on the history of the Russian "adventure" there). I was happy to see that Obama didn't rush in, but took a while to get as much information as possible before going forward. Naturally the Obama haters criticized him for the delay. But the last thing we need is another hard charging war happy President. He's playing the hand he was dealt. I still have misgivings about it, however. Pakistan is a powder keg" --------------------------------------------------------------------------- You nailed it, it is and our influence there, even with the aid is who knows what. Pakistan is the key, to long to explain here, but the biggest is a weak central Government, a military that could take over any time it wants to, a secret service that breaks bread with us in the daytime and sleeps with el Quida and their own Taliband at night, whose prime paranoia is India, everything resolves about that Their, Pakistan, druthers , would to be to see the Afghan Taliban in control in Afghanistan as a buffer against India AND they are sitting on N nuke's as are India, and with the mountainous terrain, , might actually be able to be used with less fall out and collateral damage then in a normal setting, unless cities were brought under attack, which could happen if one side or the other felt they had been hurt beyond what would be acceptable.. Also don't forget, China, Russia , Iran are in the picture. Why did Obama get us into the scenario that is playing out now when as a Candidate he was not as involved in settling the thing, being the player we are? Possible it's one thing to be a candidate, another to be the President once in office , saw what Bush left him, the importance of Pakistan in the region and beyond, realized our proposed military solution by our Generals , while a option say four year earlier , no longer was one , but to pull out unilaterally was also not a option. So he is trying this one. No he didn't rush in , he did study it, he made a decision, may work out , then again..you can lead the horse to water, the Afghans, if they, leaders, people don't want to drink, what can you do. I guess all one can do is sit and wait to see what unfolds. Yet when people just come up with criticism for criticism sake, ...makes little sense. if you notice, in the real world, not this make believe one here, with make belove experts, there is little mention of Afghanistan, criticism even from his critics..a blurb every now and then, there is a 4drain, people are dying but it seems if any criticism is from some from his side.. Why so little mention, criticism? Possible because all know he was handed a losing hand, a no win situation and none of them have a clue as to how to do it better. I could be wrong but I don't think there has been any serious criticism from the Tea Party on Obama's handling of the war thee beyond to many troops have died and the damn war is costing to much. They too, have no clue.
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Post by handyman2 on Feb 13, 2011 20:38:01 GMT -5
The question I have is what will we have accomplished when we pull out? The Taliban will still be there, the corruption in government will still be there. The way they have lived for centuries will have not changed, and the value to us will be zero. A big waste in my opinion. A huge spending of our treasury and scores of maimed and killed young Americans.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Feb 13, 2011 20:46:07 GMT -5
The question I have is what will we have accomplished when we pull out?
I also have that question. As well as what will happen when we do pull out? We have to eventually. I sincerely hope we don't get sucked into the mistakes the Russians made.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 13, 2011 21:06:27 GMT -5
Good point Handy. I guess the thinking is..Taliban comes back in charge..average Afghan really doesn't want to sacrifice or...wait one , to give them credit, who am I to say they haven't sacrificed. I take that back. They lost millions when Soviets were there, land ruined, crops , livestock..you name it...way of living for what it was , destroyed. This conflict has been unending , just different play book , different program , different players.
It is said that it is a tribal country, always feuds. Feuds local little differences is one thing..this has been total war with modern weapons for ever it seems.
Possible like the Brits and French before the second WW..lost a generation, were tired , and they , Afghans are tired..except the Taliban.
They want their conservative way of life supreme, possible most Afghans, those not westernized feel some empathy to parts of that culture and aren't willing or able to keep them from taking over.
Fear is they come back..they will be followed buy our real enemies ..al Quida.
Personally after all the trouble they caused the Taliban , cost them their country the first time, when they , al Quida involved themselves with us , with the bombings around the world and then 9/11 after being told by the Talibam not tooinvolve then selves with us, as long as they were in the country as their guests but failed to do so Wonder if they would be welcomed backknow we would again go after them, I doubt it.
So we come to Pakistan again...the nucs, India, their suppoting of the Taliban in Afganistan..got me..there must be a reason beyond what we read about. Threat to us and other areas we have a interest in.
Who ever it is, job of a President, not easy and with all the constant 24/7 sniping, to me a place at Camp David, a fleet of air planes, granted big ones yet if you take one on a bit of time out, then ed and friends are all over you, plant a garden on grounds you live, complaints, play a little ball on a small coutt you had built , more complaints, after a long vacation over seas, then a short one on the vine yard, more complaints, kids go to a private school , yep, more complaints.
Most of these perople really are very capable, a job at Wal Mart will not be beckoning..who needs it?
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Post by burnsattornincan on Feb 13, 2011 21:12:55 GMT -5
#14, exactly. I would take it several steps further though, too numerous to list now.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 13, 2011 22:07:45 GMT -5
#14, exactly. I would take it several steps further though, too numerous to list now. Saw a article some where recently Burns..the targeting is getting kind of hard in the Statres..since the idea is to spread terror every where in the West..the thinking is they are targeting Canada now, easier to get into, many sympathisers and the mounties stand out in their red out fits so they can be seen easier. Those hats really cut the sky line you know.
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Post by privateinvestor on Feb 13, 2011 22:18:31 GMT -5
The question I have is what will we have accomplished when we pull out? The Taliban will still be there, the corruption in government will still be there. The way they have lived for centuries will have not changed, and the value to us will be zero. A big waste in my opinion. A huge spending of our treasury and scores of maimed and killed young Americans. Handyman....Don't forget we are not leaving the Afghan but rather reducing our troop strength in country. We will still provide logistics, adminstration, trainers, and military police for the Afghans. The Korean War as you know ended on 27 July 1953 and we are still there.. The Afghan War will probably never end and we will be there for who knows how long? 50 years? And pouring more billions into that godforsaken country??
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 14, 2011 0:03:30 GMT -5
The question I have is what will we have accomplished when we pull out? The Taliban will still be there, the corruption in government will still be there. The way they have lived for centuries will have not changed, and the value to us will be zero. A big waste in my opinion. A huge spending of our treasury and scores of maimed and killed young Americans. Handyman....Don't forget we are not leaving the Afghan but rather reducing our troop strength in country. We will still provide logistics, adminstration, trainers, and military police for the Afghans. The Korean War as you know ended on 27 July 1953 and we are still there.. The Afghan War will probably never end and we will be there for who knows how long? 50 years? And pouring more billions into that godforsaken country?? I firmly beleve if the Pakistanians did not have nucs we would be out of there , ...Afganistan..watching , possible a presence but no where what we have there now in any ways close to the manpower or expense..we really can't afford it..these billion here, billion there here a bullion there a billion...all of a sudden, we are talking real money.
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Post by workpublic on Feb 14, 2011 9:47:03 GMT -5
do you have a suggestion of what he should have done?
what we did to germany to end the war? dresden and berlin recovered.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 14, 2011 11:27:53 GMT -5
do you have a suggestion of what he should have done? what we did to germany to end the war? dresden and berlin recovered. Do you realize we are fighting an insurgancy, not the established government of the country? Do you realize that little of that insurgancy is in major cities?
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 14, 2011 12:20:37 GMT -5
do you have a suggestion of what he should have done? what we did to germany to end the war? dresden and berlin recovered. I was thinking of a answer to this for a bit..sigh...not a easy one. I am thinking that there is so much more to it then you and I know, then again possible not. A group , Taliban, that is strong that wants control and we and most modern thinking folks, even those from their own religion , who are observant , but are not interested in living in the 10th century, yet by letting the strong group have their way, which will install a 10th century way of doing things on all...should we be involved? Those who don't feel that way,non Taliban supporters, from their own populace, just not strong enough or to worn down to resist from there continuous battles that have been going on for some decades now, and to say just support , train, help them, we have , and it doesn't seem to be enough. The will is not there it seems, and we are getting that from the reports. I can't believe there are not good patriotic for their country , Officers, senior NCO's , who want a better life , just not enough of them, and administrators, provincial Governors , and seems Kharzi replaces eith his oen supporters, but it seems the conscripts ..just don't have that desire and the enthusiasm seems to be from the other side, call it fanaticism or what ever..also uneducated but dedicated. Lots of tribal politics too, Nothern Alloance , who are against the Taliban, minority Tribes then the ones supporting the Taliban and the Taliban membership, but not strong enough to combat them. Then you have a leader, basically we brought in from exile, who possible is doing what he can , considering the centuries of politics in the country or is just a self centered person who's only mantra is profiting for himself, his tribe , his family yet no one to replace him with the desire of patriotism for the country..just would be more of the same. As I said, if Pakistan did not have Nuc weapons..the animosity and paranoia against India , who are so much stronger then they are, the Nuc's are the leveler her, we would b out of there , definitly in the committment we are now. Obama..I think he has done what he could...he don't believe going with our military ideas was the way, especially at the time he took office, to late for that. The previouse seven years were a waste but American public just look at it as a seven years war..not at a wasted seven years because of our commitments else where, Iraq. The VP , Bidens, and others, other idea , 20,000 , not troops but trainers , and the forces we had there, keep the same but use them to keep the Taliban from taking over till Afghans could take over..but not try to remove all Taliban and also war against el Quida. More aaggressive by special operations, drones and such, a holding action with aggressive attacks. His plan..his decision, Obama's a bit of both, and they all , joint chiefs, Sec Defense, VP, ALL, signed off on accepting and possible doable.. 30,000 more combatants with no more then a 10% increase if really, really needed., have to convince him, Obama and his people, the slow pull out of US troops starting Sumner of 2011 and now the change to by 2014 Afghans take over the defense of the country. A plan...rock and the hard place..if it doesn't work..I won't put blame on him. I am thinking, IF there was anyone to replace Karzi and as a different type of leader that majority , anti Taliban, Afghans political, tribal chiefs, war lords would support..they would have found and cultivated him..I have the feeling there is no one. Possible the one Osama had assassinated by two suicide bombers some years ago might have been the one..to bad for Afghan, but you can't resurrect some one can you. {If you were looking for a one or two top, paragraph reply on a subject like this..sorry, can't see how to do it unless you would have been happy with a "Nuc Em "..ok there it is short and sweet..wrong, not so sweet, but short. ;D}
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Post by workpublic on Feb 14, 2011 13:31:34 GMT -5
Do you realize we are fighting an insurgency, not the established government of the country? Do you realize that little of that insurgency is in major cities? [image]
yes i realize that. destroy the countryside where they live. destroy the cities where they hide. ditto irag.
when we're fighting "wars" where the electricity stays on in the enemy capital, IMHO we are a little too worried about collateral damage. do the german and japanese people hate the US today?
the reason why we a fight insurgents all the time now is because we haven't broken the will of the populace and the leaders to fight. that's what fire bombing population centers at the end of WWII was about.
there vwere pro nazi insurgents in germany post WWII, they were dealt with quickly and harshly war is evil. when you're forced into one, get it over asap. maybe you won't be pushed into another, if they see what will happen.
i place the blame for the death and destruction of hiroshima and nagasaki on the backs of the japanese imperial military and the emperor
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 14, 2011 13:46:22 GMT -5
yes i realize that. destroy the countryside where they live. destroy the cities where they hide. ditto irag. when we're fighting "wars" where the electricity stays on in the enemy capital, IMHO we are a little too worried about collateral damage. do the german and japanese people hate the US today? war is evil. when you're forced into one, get it over asap. maybe you won't be pushed into another, if they see what will happen. i place the blame for the death and destruction of hiroshima and nagasaki on the backs of the japanese imperial military and the emperor Sorry workpublic but this response shows clearly that you are totally clueless as to what is happening in the country of Afghanistan. Please research that reality before you post on the topic again.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 14, 2011 14:18:18 GMT -5
yes i realize that. destroy the countryside where they live. destroy the cities where they hide. ditto irag. when we're fighting "wars" where the electricity stays on in the enemy capital, IMHO we are a little too worried about collateral damage. do the german and japanese people hate the US today? war is evil. when you're forced into one, get it over asap. maybe you won't be pushed into another, if they see what will happen. i place the blame for the death and destruction of hiroshima and nagasaki on the backs of the japanese imperial military and the emperor Sorry workpublic but this response shows clearly that you are totally clueless as to what is happening in the country of Afghanistan. Please research that reality before you post on the topic again. Bills ..you have any ideas on the solution there...any thoughts on my "thesis"...because I am not sure whats the right scoop there..going with Obama for now..but with the government we have there, Kharzi, the non support of by populace...2014 comes...then waht. granted it may be another POTUS possible not , but who ever...atn least they will have some kind of prigram that was followed ..but still.
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Post by fairlycrazy23 on Feb 14, 2011 15:23:50 GMT -5
We probably just need to cut and run and assume that radical islam will fill the void and be prepared to deal with it. Better border security and other security measures, and let everybody know that if you attack us we will use disproportionate force to retaliate.
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Post by ed1066 on Feb 14, 2011 15:37:55 GMT -5
Speaking of that, where is the anti-war movement in this country that was so strong when Bush was president? They seem to have disappeared now that it's Obama's war...when was the last time you saw a mainstream media story about war protestors?
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 14, 2011 15:49:54 GMT -5
We probably just need to cut and run and assume that radical islam will fill the void and be prepared to deal with it. Better border security and other security measures, and let everybody know that if you attack us we will use disproportionate force to retaliate. Got a point..still feel the story here is Pakistan, things you and I just don't know, thus why we are dong there. If there was one thing he, Obama , wanted to end , have nothing to do with, knowing what it could become, did, was Afganistan. However, I think once he became president and in the know and the reports, felt he /we couldn't. Those things do happen at this level. Just the way it is..there are yadda yadda candisates yaddy yadding and then all of a sudden if lucky, or unlucky ..they are Presidents and first day, reaction, " Holy crap, what did I get involved in here..is there a way out if this chair?" ;D
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