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Post by ZaireinHD on Jun 22, 2013 20:58:35 GMT -5
police just get away with I guess anything now these days!! police dog dies from heat exhaustion from being locked inside police K9 unit. gets worse! police officer was at his home address, at night, with K9 unit mobile in his driveway! he has been a K9 officer for I think 12 years AND his current dog is a retired K9 still gets worse he is on PAID leave!
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Post by mmhmm on Jun 22, 2013 21:00:47 GMT -5
Do you have a link to the story, Zaire? If so, please post it so people can read any details.
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Post by Jaguar on Jun 22, 2013 21:04:53 GMT -5
I had to go find a link, don't know if this is the story.
LINK -->> [a href="http://mdjonline.com/view/full_story/22929811/article-Woodstock-policedies-of-heatstroke?instance=special%20_coverage_right_column"]Spartacus [/a] LINK -->> Spartacus
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Post by ZaireinHD on Jun 22, 2013 21:05:36 GMT -5
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Post by mmhmm on Jun 22, 2013 21:08:54 GMT -5
Thanks, Zaire.
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Jun 22, 2013 21:37:44 GMT -5
The article does not say that he "killed a police dog". It states it is under investigation and they don't know why the patrol car was at his home OR how long it had been parked there. It does not say he purposely killed the dog. Your thread title is misleading.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 22, 2013 21:52:20 GMT -5
"police just get away with I guess anything now these days!!"
That's like saying parents who leave their children in cars to die from the heat get away with anything these days. We know that's not true in diff case.
Additionally, animals are considered property. They are not considered the same under the law as children. I hate to see beasts or children die this way but it's never purely intentional.
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Post by ZaireinHD on Jun 23, 2013 1:07:38 GMT -5
HUH? in my part of the USA and also in the video link posted by another member. police dogs are treated as a police officer. same goes for a police horse. so this police officer partner dies while in his care. what investigation is there? prove intent? my question is why is this police officer not in jail? he killed another police officer, it's their rules, not mine. another thing is they were not on the clock! so what's the issue? here is what we have: police dog dies! how? heat exhaustion! from what? police officer left his partner in a police vehicle that got too hot! were they on a case? while on the job? NOPE! oh that's NOT friendly fire! that's not while on the job police handler was chasing a suspect with other police officers and time got away, while in a summer heat! nope! police dog was only 3, didn't die from old age! police officer killed his partner and he gets paid leave.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 23, 2013 10:28:50 GMT -5
So in your mind, a criminal who shoots and kills a police dog while committing a crime should be charged with aggravated murder of a police officer.
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Post by ZaireinHD on Jun 23, 2013 12:54:32 GMT -5
actually in the state of New York, New Jersey and Georgia, a criminal who shoots and kills a police dog or police horse while committing a crime should be charged with aggravated murder of a police officer.
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Jun 23, 2013 13:10:51 GMT -5
So in your mind, a criminal who shoots and kills a police dog while committing a crime should be charged with aggravated murder of a police officer. Yes, depending on the state/district and if the police dog is on duty anybody who kills a K9 will get the same sentence as killing a human cop. There is a lot of time and money involved in training these dogs and most cops love their K9 partners. If he is at fault I hope he goes down for it just like if he killed his human partner. That story makes me sick to my stomach. That poor dog. link"Spartacus was particularly friendly with children and was great for community organizations and events. We would go out to school events and so on, and he was very much loved by the community," said Chief Moss. But perhaps the one affected most is the man who likely put him there in the first place, veteran handler, officer Chad Berry. "He is utterly devastated by what's taken place here. He is of course deeply concerned," said Moss. With that said, his grief might just be the beginning of his problems. He could not only lose his job, he could face criminal charges."
ETA: Sug and other's also posted links.
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Jun 23, 2013 13:14:44 GMT -5
But this police officer did NOT shoot the canine. The animal died of heat-exhaustion. The death was not intentional. The officer has already made a statement that he's very upset and heartbroken over the loss. And he's on paid-leave during the investigation, just like any other officer would be under similar circumstances.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 23, 2013 13:16:27 GMT -5
actually in the state of New York, New Jersey and Georgia, a criminal who shoots and kills a police dog or police horse while committing a crime should be charged with aggravated murder of a police officer. Why not in Iowa, Montana or Delaware?
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Jun 23, 2013 13:17:23 GMT -5
But this police officer did NOT shoot the canine. The animal died of heat-exhaustion. And he's on paid-leave during the investigation, just like any other officer would be under similar circumstances.
If they find that the officer was at fault and/or negligent for his death he will face criminal charges.
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Jun 23, 2013 13:18:38 GMT -5
Yes, but that's why there's an investigation being carried out.
Zaire's trying to compare apples to oranges.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 23, 2013 13:20:08 GMT -5
But this police officer did NOT shoot the canine. The animal died of heat-exhaustion. And he's on paid-leave during the investigation, just like any other officer would be under similar circumstances.
If they find that the officer was at fault and/or negligent for his death he will face criminal charges. I would imagine nothing more than careless destruction of police property. Always sad to see animals and children die this way but the dog is simply not the same as a human being.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 23, 2013 13:20:40 GMT -5
Yes, but that's why there's an investigation being carried out.
Zaire's trying to compare apples to oranges. More like apples to pasta.
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Jun 23, 2013 13:24:07 GMT -5
If they find that the officer was at fault and/or negligent for his death he will face criminal charges. I would imagine nothing more than careless destruction of police property. Always sad to see animals and children die this way but the dog is simply not the same as a human being. Nope. K9s are considered police officers as the human police officers are. Plus dogs are better than humans.
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Post by ZaireinHD on Jun 23, 2013 13:29:56 GMT -5
Why not in Iowa, Montana or Delaware? I don't know about those states? I only added Georgia because of the news reporter included this officer may face criminal charges in his report. in these three states police dogs and horses are not considered as property.
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Post by ZaireinHD on Jun 23, 2013 13:31:18 GMT -5
Hello POM Tennesseer maybe you should on the link in post 3 and watch the video?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2013 13:32:07 GMT -5
Yes, but that's why there's an investigation being carried out.
Zaire's trying to compare apples to oranges. I agree.
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Jun 23, 2013 13:34:01 GMT -5
Hi Z!
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 23, 2013 13:34:42 GMT -5
I would imagine nothing more than careless destruction of police property. Always sad to see animals and children die this way but the dog is simply not the same as a human being. Nope. K9s are considered police officers as the human police officers are. Plus dogs are better than humans. Good luck defending that argument in court. A K9's life is just as valuable as an officer's life. Officers often let the dogs loose to chase down a suspect with the realization the dog may be injured or killed. That does happen. The realty is K9s are expendable. They are sent into situations no officer would potentially go. Think bomb sniffing dogs. Do we have bomb sniffing human soldiers?
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Jun 23, 2013 13:35:29 GMT -5
Nope. K9s are considered police officers as the human police officers are. Plus dogs are better than humans. Good luck defending that argument in court. A K9's life is just as valuable as an officer's life. Officers often let the dogs loose to chase down a suspect with the realization the dog may be injured or killed. That does happen. The realty is K9s are expendable. They are sent into situations no officer would potentially go. Think bomb sniffing dogs. Do we have bomb sniffing human soldiers? Tenn it's not my argument. It's the law for many districts in the US. I have nothing to do with it. I just agree with the law.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 23, 2013 13:37:31 GMT -5
Good luck defending that argument in court. A K9's life is just as valuable as an officer's life. Officers often let the dogs loose to chase down a suspect with the realization the dog may be injured or killed. That does happen. The realty is K9s are expendable. They are sent into situations no officer would potentially go. Think bomb sniffing dogs. Do we have bomb sniffing human soldiers? Tenn it's not my argument. It's the law for many districts in the US. I have nothing to do with it. I just agree with the law. POM-can you point me to one of these laws?
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Jun 23, 2013 13:39:20 GMT -5
Under Texas law, they would be charged with Killing a Police Service Animal, which is a Felony in the Third Degree. Texas Penal Code - Section 38.151. Interference With Police Service Animals Similar crime in Florida, Florida Crimes Code Section 843.19 - Obstructing Justice - Offenses against police dogs, fire dogs, SAR dogs, or police horses. A Class A misdemeanor in NY, New York Penal Law Section 195.06 - Killing Or Injuring A Police Animal. I'll keep looking. link"Police dogs killed by criminals a real crime Early this March in upstate New York, a police dog in the service of the FBI was shot to death as he tried to safely lead agents into an abandoned building where a holed up killer of four was hiding. The two-year-old German Shepherd named Ape was fatally shot in the chest as he approached the doorway to a darkened room where the man lay in wait for him. It was only the new recruit's second mission. Ape is just one of a handful of canine cops to die already in the line of duty this year, and the state of New York one of the first in the nation to finally make attacks on these super dogs a major crime. Outraged by the news of the novice K-9's coldblooded slaying, the New York Senate speedily passed legislation elevating police dog assault and homicide from a misdemeanor offense to a Class D felony." Considering all the lives lost, it's about time.
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Post by ZaireinHD on Jun 23, 2013 13:39:34 GMT -5
A K9's life is just as valuable as an officer's life. Officers often let the dogs loose to chase down a suspect with the realization the dog may be injured or killed. That does happen. The realty is K9s are expendable. They are sent into situations no officer would potentially go. Think bomb sniffing dogs. Do we have bomb sniffing human soldiers? wow you are going into a different direction with this story. well because this police dog is considered a police officer; a funeral is being held.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 23, 2013 13:46:18 GMT -5
Under Texas law, they would be charged with Killing a Police Service Animal, which is a Felony in the Third Degree. Texas Penal Code - Section 38.151. Interference With Police Service Animals Similar crime in Florida, Florida Crimes Code Section 843.19 - Obstructing Justice - Offenses against police dogs, fire dogs, SAR dogs, or police horses. A Class A misdemeanor in NY, New York Penal Law Section 195.06 - Killing Or Injuring A Police Animal. I'll keep looking. POM-no need to keep searching. What you have posted pretty much backs up what I was saying. The killing of a K9 and the killing of a police officer are quite different under the eyes of the law.
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Jun 23, 2013 13:55:53 GMT -5
Like many laws it will be a matter of time. Humans are quite ignorant and slow moving - unlike dogs.
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Post by mmhmm on Jun 23, 2013 15:40:40 GMT -5
"(b) Any person who knowingly and intentionally destroys or causes serious or debilitating physical injury to a police dog or police horse, knowing said dog to be a police dog or said horse to be a police horse, shall be guilty of a felony and, upon conviction thereof, shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than one nor more than five years, or a fine not to exceed $10,000.00, or both. This subsection shall not apply to the destruction of a police dog or police horse for humane purposes." Georgia Law
I guess it will depend on what they find as a result of their investigation and how they interpret those results. If it's determined the dog was left in the car where he would die of heat exhaustion "knowingly", it could go badly for this officer. Most people know not to leave their pets or children in closed cars when it's very hot outside.
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