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Post by zibazinski on Jun 20, 2013 13:48:47 GMT -5
Not at that school, I'd didn't. No, we didn't have anyone who couldn't speak English and everyone behaved but it was a farm school mean to to turn out farmers. I and one other person went to a 4 year college out of that school. The 17 years of prep came totally from my immigrant father.
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Post by swamp on Jun 20, 2013 13:49:02 GMT -5
I took the SAT prep course but it counted as part of an elective at my school. It didn't cost anything. Did I just luck out I had the same thing.
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Post by zibazinski on Jun 20, 2013 13:52:11 GMT -5
I think if I'd have gone to a decent school, I may have gotten that as well. I know the school I first taught at offered it to juniors.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Jun 20, 2013 13:54:45 GMT -5
The SAT test prep class was $80 when I was in high school 20 years ago. There were more elaborate ones that were more expensive. Mine was a one day thing. We took a fake test, and then a guy came up and spend an hour or so giving us some pointers.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 20, 2013 14:37:15 GMT -5
I bet the white people will still have more than 50% of the money. That's why we need to do away with the whole concept of money. We need to be a society that is solely based on betterment of mankind. You know like Star Trek. But then, what would we talk about here... Sure. But they have one machine to transport poo out their toilets and another machine to turn it into a stack of banana pancakes. What do we have? iPads?
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 20, 2013 14:40:09 GMT -5
I saw the Star Trek movie last night and I said to my husband - "Why do they have to push and pull so many handles? Can't they just run that whole ship off one iPad?"
I am a Picard fan. Even though Chris Pine is a vast improvement over Shatner, Kirk is still an unlikable guy.
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Post by zibazinski on Jun 20, 2013 14:40:54 GMT -5
All I know is that it wold have cost several hundred dollars for my kids to take the SAT prep. Maybe it's free for minorities, who knows? But we lived in an affluent area and the schools were good ones, for Florida anyway. Magnet schools. Plus, I worked with them. So they did well in spite of not having the benefit of rich parent. I did well because my parent helped me along the way. My vocab score was perfect. My math, not so much.
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 21, 2013 8:12:32 GMT -5
I saw the Star Trek movie last night and I said to my husband - "Why do they have to push and pull so many handles? Can't they just run that whole ship off one iPad?" I am a Picard fan. Even though Chris Pine is a vast improvement over Shatner, Kirk is still an unlikable guy. you are no true trekkie!!!! So I've been told. I can accept that. Heck, that might be a compliment.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2013 8:23:54 GMT -5
As a black female, I hate affirmative action - mostly because it has caused me to second-guess all that I have earned/accomplished. Did I get into schools because I am smart and well-rounded.... or because of my skin color? It's not a nice feeling and I wouldn't wish it on anyone.
Also, I think this has become a class issue rather than a race issue. Back in the day, most minorities were poor and living in the inner city. That's no longer the case, and things need to change accordingly. The kids who got the minority scholarship for my college (myself included) were mostly smart-ish black/Latino kids from middle class backgrounds. We certainly didn't need the scholarship to get a college education, so I don't really see that as giving a "leg up". I'd rather see more charter/magnate schools in the inner city than more money thrown at people who really don't need it.
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 21, 2013 8:33:47 GMT -5
Picard was a snooze-festival, btw. He is an excellent executive.
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 21, 2013 8:35:22 GMT -5
As a black female, I hate affirmative action - mostly because it has caused me to second-guess all that I have earned/accomplished. Did I get into schools because I am smart and well-rounded.... or because of my skin color? It's not a nice feeling and I wouldn't wish it on anyone. If it makes you feel any better, I'm white and I'm sure everything I have earned and accomplished is based on the color of my skin. Okay, maybe not - but I am 100% sure I would not have "risen above" a poor upbringing.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2013 8:58:16 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have risen above a poor uprbringing either. It's one thing to be trying to better yourself without people helping you - it's another to try to better yourself with people actively trying to sabotage you.
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Post by genericname on Jun 21, 2013 9:01:23 GMT -5
This is a very informative discussion. A thousand years ago when I took the SAT and the ACT (yes, I took both, yay, fun!) we couldn't afford test prep classes. I bought a book, I think, but I didn't open it once. I still scored well enough for entry into college. The GRE also had test prep available, but I found out I had to take the GRE 2 days before I took the test. I did fine on that one too.
What I have surmised from the discussion is that, since we live in the CRAPPIEST school district in the entire state, our decision to put our kids in one of the private schools in town will have a real impact on their ability to succeed in college. I considered the quality of classroom learning between public and private, but it wasn't my number one reason for pursuing the private school route. It was a large factor, but so was the avoidance of rampant gang problems, discipline problems, and the painfully evident teacher apathy that is endemic in our particular system. Thank you for giving me more insight into this problem!
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Post by swamp on Jun 21, 2013 10:09:46 GMT -5
Yes, apparently it is a conspiracy of the government to make future democratic voters by putting them in liberal indoctrination camps starting at age 4.
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Post by 973beachbum on Jun 21, 2013 10:12:01 GMT -5
Yes, apparently it is a conspiracy of the government to make future democratic voters by putting them in liberal indoctrination camps starting at age 4. I thought that was what the vaccinations were for.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2013 10:18:47 GMT -5
As a black female, I hate affirmative action - mostly because it has caused me to second-guess all that I have earned/accomplished. Did I get into schools because I am smart and well-rounded.... or because of my skin color? It's not a nice feeling and I wouldn't wish it on anyone. Also, I think this has become a class issue rather than a race issue. Back in the day, most minorities were poor and living in the inner city. That's no longer the case, and things need to change accordingly. The kids who got the minority scholarship for my college (myself included) were mostly smart-ish black/Latino kids from middle class backgrounds. We certainly didn't need the scholarship to get a college education, so I don't really see that as giving a "leg up". I'd rather see more charter/magnate schools in the inner city than more money thrown at people who really don't need it. That's a really good point Jenny. If there is going to be some effort to make opportunities more even, do so as early as possible. Preschool, elementary, hs, etc. However, the recent idea of universal preschool was a pretty hot topic issue. not everyone is on board with early cultivation of the mind I know - it's sad. People complain that parents should be finding a way to provide all that socialization and education on their own (because people always do what they are supposed to do). Then when those kids don't get a good start and go down the wrong path, those same people complain again that these people are bad to begin with. Crime/violence is a SOCIETAL problem, not an individual one.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 21, 2013 10:22:09 GMT -5
Yes, apparently it is a conspiracy of the government to make future democratic voters by putting them in liberal indoctrination camps starting at age 4. I thought that was what the vaccinations were for. No. It's giving young children 2% milk.
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Post by swamp on Jun 21, 2013 10:24:33 GMT -5
Yes, apparently it is a conspiracy of the government to make future democratic voters by putting them in liberal indoctrination camps starting at age 4. I thought that was what the vaccinations were for. No, silly, that's to make them autistic so they are permanently disabled.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Jun 21, 2013 12:48:13 GMT -5
Yes, apparently it is a conspiracy of the government to make future democratic voters by putting them in liberal indoctrination camps starting at age 4. There have been studies that show that the effects of preschool go away by middle school. So it may be more of a 'is this a good use of money' issue than indoctronation. My son goes to a preschool run by our school district. The complaints his teachers had are the same complaints that my 3rd grade teacher had, and yet, here I am with a Masters. It's kinda funny when you think about it.
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Post by swamp on Jun 21, 2013 13:42:22 GMT -5
Funny, all the public school teachers I know have a Master's too. They need it in NY within 5 years of getting certified to continue their certification.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Jun 23, 2013 16:16:17 GMT -5
I'm opposed to affirmative action. It never made sense to me to "fight" racial inequality by giving preference to one race over another. That's the very definition of hypocrasy. But if we are going to have affirmative action, it makes more sense to me to base selection criteria on socioeconomic class than race. You might have been for it if you were born black or female and many years before 1984 as you were. You never were witness to blatant discrimination as many of us have seen. Well, since the subject being discussed is admissions into colleges, perhaps we need to have affirmitive action towards men in college. Since women are earning more and higher degrees than men. But is that not PC?
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Post by Phoenix84 on Jun 23, 2013 16:17:15 GMT -5
It just seems to be a better way to promote racial equality would be to celebrate the differences between us than focus on getting the window dressing right.
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Post by 973beachbum on Jun 24, 2013 8:31:01 GMT -5
Yes, apparently it is a conspiracy of the government to make future democratic voters by putting them in liberal indoctrination camps starting at age 4. There have been studies that show that the effects of preschool go away by middle school. So it may be more of a 'is this a good use of money' issue than indoctronation. My son goes to a preschool run by our school district. The complaints his teachers had are the same complaints that my 3rd grade teacher had, and yet, here I am with a Masters. It's kinda funny when you think about it. The studies also showed that the students who went to preschool did better in thigs like HS graduation rate and being employed later in life. So why exactly do we not want that?
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Post by 973beachbum on Jun 24, 2013 8:53:34 GMT -5
Who knew that your test scores from third grade were the bench mark for you entire life? I wonder what I got on them?
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Post by 973beachbum on Jun 24, 2013 9:24:07 GMT -5
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Post by michelyn8 on Jun 24, 2013 9:24:20 GMT -5
Who knew that your test scores from third grade were the bench mark for you entire life? I wonder what I got on them? Hey! This is part of your "permanent record" lol, anyone remember those dire warnings? Like god or the government kept a dossier on you that anyone could access at any time. I'm sorry Mr. jones - you seem exceptionally qualified for this position. But our background check indicates that mrs. smith noted an unprovoked tussle on the playground with tommy thompson in 3rd grade, below average reading scores in 4th grade, and in school suspension for cutting class freshman year in HS. I'm sorry, we aren't going to be able to hire you with this kind of record. That would require an employer to actually inform you that you were not getting the position and why. Something that just doesn't seem to happen anymore. I would love to have one tell me the reason they couldn't hire me was because Mrs. Burnette noted on my 2nd grade report card one term that I talked to much in class. At least that would be better than that gaping black hole my applications/resumes have been going into the last 5 years or so.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 24, 2013 10:14:39 GMT -5
Supreme Court raises bar for affirmative action in college admissionsThe Supreme Court on Monday allowed affirmative action to survive in college admissions but imposed a tough legal standard, ruling that schools must prove that there are “no workable race-neutral alternatives” to achieve diversity on campus. While the ruling was not a sweeping pronouncement on the future of affirmative action, it amounts to a warning to colleges nationwide that the courts will treat race-conscious admissions policies with a high degree of skepticism. By a 7-1 vote, with one justice recusing herself, the court sent a case about the University of Texas admissions policy back to a federal appeals court for review — the Supreme Court’s equivalent of a grade of Incomplete. usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/24/19115041-supreme-court-raises-bar-for-affirmative-action-in-college-admissions?lite
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Post by Phoenix84 on Jun 24, 2013 12:00:03 GMT -5
I saw that too Tennesseer. However, I'm not sure what it means. From what I read, both the woman bringing the case to court and "civil rights activists" were pleased with the ruling.
I don't really understand it. Does it mean colleges have to prove affirmitive action is a last resort and have to do other things first? Maybe one of our resident lawyers can explain it using small words and simple phrases.
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Post by 973beachbum on Jun 24, 2013 13:17:27 GMT -5
From what I remember about the case it had to do with a Texas state school that had to accept everyone who graduates in the top 10% of their graduating class. Say the vast majority of those top 10% are white and are half of the university students? From my memory I don't think it is that far off. Without actually trying it might be hard to get a diverse group of students there.
I don't know what they do with applicants who don't disclose their race on the application. Everyone also talks about schools taking race into account but it wouldn't even come into play if people just didn't put that info on the applications. It is an optional question. If it really bugs people so much then just stop answering it.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jun 24, 2013 15:50:33 GMT -5
How else would we fight racial inequality? I don't think affirmative action is a perfect system, but I'm drawing a blank at what could be fairer AND more effective. There are still a depressing number of people (many of them in hiring roles, and some of whom post on this forum) who believe that women and minorities simply aren't as good/capable as white men. And things like the lawsuit against dollar general and BMW certainly aren't helping change that.... I am a female and I would be highly offended if I got a job or a promotion over a white guy just because I'm a "minority". I only want what a i earn I life....to me, affirmative action is a slap in the face to everyone. To me, because it means that some liberal thinks I can't make it in my own (I could and I did). And it is a slap in the face to the white guys who lose out to a less qualifies candidate because they have a different skin color or have a vagina. I would quit a job if I found out I was hired for my vag and not my brain....
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