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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 17, 2013 15:41:35 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2013 15:42:26 GMT -5
Those kids are freaks without faces.
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 17, 2013 15:43:20 GMT -5
a) Of course they could have been positioned differently b) I'm sick of all the outrage by parents over every damn thing
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 17, 2013 15:44:51 GMT -5
a) Of course they could have been positioned differently b) I'm sick of all the outrage by parents over every damn thing Welcome to parenthood?
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 17, 2013 15:46:01 GMT -5
He's at the end of the bench he just happens to be in his chair instead of on the bench.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 17, 2013 15:49:27 GMT -5
If he had to remain in the wheelchair, then move the teacher behind him, shift the other children toward him and Photoshop out the empty section of the bleachers.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2013 15:50:55 GMT -5
On a positive note, the teacher looks kind of hot.
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 17, 2013 15:51:03 GMT -5
If the teacher were standing on the other side, he wouldn't look quite so "out there" - but seriously, folks - you can't find anything better to be upset about?
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 17, 2013 15:53:02 GMT -5
You know that photographer follows the formula. 9 kids in the front row, centered, and then build the pyramid with the remaining kids.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 17, 2013 15:53:35 GMT -5
I guess I'm the only parent who doesn't care about class photos. I certainly would not consider my kid to have been deliberarely aliented. It isn't like schools hire the world's best photographers. It's a crappy photo that will end up in a box for decades till someone finds it and laughs at how dated everyone looks. Kid certainly doesn't look like he feels singeled out/alienated. Looks like a little future thespian to me.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2013 15:54:04 GMT -5
You know that photographer follows the formula. 9 kids in the front row, centered, and then build the pyramid with the remaining kids. what a fucktwad.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 17, 2013 15:54:22 GMT -5
He's at the end of the bench he just happens to be in his chair instead of on the bench. They could have put the teacher on his side so their wasn't a big gap. I honestly didn't see him at first. They have the kids centered on the risers....they could have moved them to the edge on his side so that there wasn't a huge gap. Could he have been seated with them, or does he stay in his chair all day After the photo was brought to the photo company and school's attention, the picture was taken again with the boy carefully moved to the benches to sit with the other kids.
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 17, 2013 15:55:06 GMT -5
Kid certainly doesn't look like he feels singeled out/alienated. Looks like a little future thespian to me. He is going to rock Glee club, and get the hottest cheerleader as a girlfriend!
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Post by Abby Normal on Jun 17, 2013 15:59:51 GMT -5
The could have move one of the kids in the front, to the back row and placed him in front of the bleachers, in his chair, so it looked like he was on the end. It would not have been as noticeable. The photographer is an idiot.
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Post by kent on Jun 17, 2013 16:02:09 GMT -5
If they had put him front and center for some sort of visual inclusive "balance" as in this kid is one of our favorites, some screwball would allege they put him in that position to draw attention to his disability.
You just can't win with some people. No matter what, they have to look for a hidden meaning in damn near everything! That cute little guy looks like a happy camper and that's good enough for me, thank you.
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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on Jun 17, 2013 16:05:20 GMT -5
...:::"This time, Miles was taken out of his wheelchair and sat on a bench alongside a caregiver, The Province reported.":::...
I'm kind of ashamed to admit that I didn't think about this most obvious solution!
Thanks to YM, I was already thinking of which gifted programs the schools need to cut so that they can construct benches that can accommodate photographs for differently-abled individuals.
...:::"The photographer is an idiot not paid enough to care.":::...
Fixed.
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 17, 2013 16:07:45 GMT -5
I would not have thought this was the most obvious solution unless someone familiar with Miles and willing to do the lifting and what-not was standing next to me telling me that it was okay. Was the "caregiver" that was there for the 2nd picture present at the first picture? If so, did the caregiver know that is what should have happened? Why didn't the caregiver speak up?
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Post by HoneyBBQ on Jun 17, 2013 16:08:49 GMT -5
b) I'm sick of all the outrage by parents over every damn thing You know, in general I agree with that sentiment, but this is complete and utter horse sh*t. We had 2 kids in wheelchairs when I was in elementary school a million years ago, and they always went in FRONT, like the goalies. That poor child is already excluded from tons of things. Why something as easily correctable as a photograph? I don't think they "deliberately" excluded him, but ignorance of exclusion is not a viable excuse.
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Post by tskeeter on Jun 17, 2013 16:16:00 GMT -5
Looking at this photo, it doesn't appear that the children could have been positioned to make the disabled child significantly less isolated. The foot rest the second row of children are standing on is fully occupied. Shifting the group closer to the disabled child does not appear practical. The arrangement of the seating appears to be fixed, not possible of being arranged row by row so that the back seating could be offset from the first row. And the disabled child appears to be strapped into a very large scale transport chair. To me, the fact that the child is strapped into his chair indicates that the disabled child is not physically capable of sitting with the other kids. So that only leaves placing the disabled child in front of the other kids. Not sure that placing the disabled child in front of the other kids makes him less "alienated".
Maybe his parents need to come to school on picture day so that the photo can be composed to meet their approval.
ETA: I see since I started this comment that the child was able to be removed from his chair and seated with the other kids (with the aid of a caregiver) for a re-shoot. Assuming that the caregiver was available to assist for the initial photo, I would think the photo would have been composed in this fashion to start with.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 17, 2013 16:21:48 GMT -5
Also, who wouldn't want to be the stand-out kid in a school photo? I'd have been thrilled if I sat on a throne taking up a quarter of a photo with 22 other classmates mushed together like boring sardines.
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Post by Tiny on Jun 17, 2013 16:49:08 GMT -5
Gosh, I saw this as more of an example of how we all stuck in 'script' ruts - the photographer who just did their job according to the acceptable script (which Ruhk pointed out) cause the photographer either isn't paid to think or has never been encouraged to think (or figure out) when it's good to make exceptions to the rules/formula.
And then there's every one who thinks the picture looks fine because it's a standard class photo (that looks abit odd).
I'm glad the photo wss retaken - it would have been better if the kid got to stay in his chair while being part of the class... without the chair it's kinda like how people who wear glasses all the time - take them off for photos... it's weird. I'm asssuming the kid doesn't spend time out of the chair...of course.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2013 17:38:57 GMT -5
I would have been pissed if it was my student, let alone my kid... Sorry, I think the photo is awful. I'm glad it was retaken, although I think it would have worked to hve I'm in his chair, with kids close/around.
i agree with the script thing, couldn't think outside the box on that one?
i honestly can't imagine that those complaining, if they got a photo of their kid away fom the group, wouldn't question it....
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Jun 17, 2013 17:43:22 GMT -5
Awww, what a cutie! He does look happy but they could have done a better job without a lot of extra effort. I would think balancing the kids would be more important than balancing the bleachers - if that was what the photog was doing and made it look kind of awkward.
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 17, 2013 17:54:48 GMT -5
I wonder how many minutes they get for each class picture. I would think if he spent more than 3 minutes getting everyone set up, he would throw off the whole schedule. Maybe he just couldn't come up with a solution fast enough. He likely had ZERO idea this kid was going to show up in a wheelchair, but I suspect they school knew he was in a wheelchair. We are blaming the photographer - but what about the teacher? Why didn't she think this through a little bit?
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Jun 17, 2013 18:24:45 GMT -5
Teacher should have done a better job advocating for her student.
The schools don't hire the photographers/company. They let the company with the best deal come in to take pictures.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2013 18:34:53 GMT -5
I would not necessarily blame photographer, but adults involved would share responsibility.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 17, 2013 19:46:56 GMT -5
If they could have taken him out of his chair without timing or safety problems, their choice not to is awkward enough to constitute a mistake.
As it stands, his chair is as close to the benches as it can get. In order to not have him isolated, the whole group of students has to move three feet to our right, which voids the intended symmetry and leaves a big lump of bench sticking out. It creates a new problem of where to position the teacher, and the photo quite possibly looks more awkward than what they came up with.
Do I think the parents should have made hay about it? No.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 17, 2013 20:00:01 GMT -5
If they could have taken him out of his chair without timing or safety problems, their choice not to is awkward enough to constitute a mistake. As it stands, his chair is as close to the benches as it can get. In order to not have him isolated, the whole group of students has to move three feet to our right, which voids the intended symmetry and leaves a big lump of bench sticking out. It creates a new problem of where to position the teacher, and the photo quite possibly looks more awkward than what they came up with. Do I think the parents should have made hay about it? No. You must have missed my much earlier post. If he had to remain in the wheelchair, then move the teacher behind him, shift the other children toward him and Photoshop out the empty section of the bleachers. As for your comment the parents shouldn't have made hay about it: Is one of your children stuck in a wheelchair for the rest of his life? If you do, don't you want him to have as a normal life as possible?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2013 20:01:02 GMT -5
Photographer is probably an angry, bitter middle aged dude who hates that his dream of being a photo-journalist covering conflict in the Congo has turned in his biggest struggle of the day is getting a shot where all of his subjects have their finger on the outside of their noses. And it shows in his work.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 17, 2013 20:10:04 GMT -5
Photographer is probably an angry, bitter middle aged dude who hates that his dream of being a photo-journalist covering conflict in the Congo has turned in his biggest struggle of the day is getting a shot where all of his subjects have their finger on the outside of their noses. And it shows in his work. A photographer version of 'Bad Santa'?
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