Senior Citizens - UNITED!!!

[tloonya]

As much as I like to accept all the goverment programs at my store - I hate to see that american citizens who had worked at this country their whole life having less benefits than those who just immigrated here and never contributed a second to a workforce.

We had just talked to my american friend whos Mother is paying for her meds when all of my forreign grandmas are getting a free ride.

I was telling you about adult day cares where elders (very able tell you) are entertained and fed for free. So how come goverment paying $2K per person to do THAT and can't have a programs for retired citizens to get reduced or free meds or whatever...


So thinking about that I came to a question that seems so american spirited to me.
How come none of these able, having lots of time on their hands retirees came together, formed a groups and petitioned to the citi, state...about having less benefits than forreigners?

I bet these citizens could have fun as well. Maybe even form families and friendships!
How is my thinking?

[Rocky Mtn Saver]

Jun 11, 2013 11:08:38 GMT -5 tloonya said:

So thinking about that I came to a question that seems so american spirited to me.
How come none of these able, having lots of time on their hands retirees came together, formed a groups and petitioned to the citi, state...about having less benefits than forreigners?

AARP.

[Tennesseer]

...er...what?

[tloonya]

Jun 11, 2013 11:17:27 GMT -5 Rocky Mtn Saver said:

Jun 11, 2013 11:08:38 GMT -5 tloonya said:

So thinking about that I came to a question that seems so american spirited to me.
How come none of these able, having lots of time on their hands retirees came together, formed a groups and petitioned to the citi, state...about having less benefits than forreigners?

AARP.

What AARP?

[Rocky Mtn Saver]

Google it. 

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tloonya,

First of all "Welcome Back".   And good luck.
Here it go.

www.aarp.org/benefits-discounts/

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By the way your point is well received by me.tloonya  

[NancysSummerSip]

Loony, seniors can and do have fun and it is both free and reduced price in many places. Aside from AARP, many communities offer senior centers with classes, trips, exercise programs, etc.

 As far as medications go, you do have a good point. Medicare isn't a free, or a reduced-cast drug program. Additional drug coverage has to be purchased (my husband's medication costs him MORE now that he is on Medicare. It was cheap when he was working!)

There is an exercise program called Silver Sneakers for seniors, which many gyms offer for free or greatly reduced fees.

There is a national prescription drug card which offers some discounts; each state provides a link to one, and anyone (not just seniors) can use it. This is the one for Pennsylvania, and you can use it:
www.padrugcard.com/index.php

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Loony, as a 60-year old who's still working full time, I am really annoyed by all the complaints about how hard seniors have it.  I get mailings form AARP.  I throw them away.

I suspect that an old person on SS who is under certain income and asset limits can qualify for Medicaid, same as anyone else.  (I do think we're being overly generous with immigrants who have little or no work record but that's a separate issue.) 

What I see most of the time are people who decided long ago that they didn't need to save because they'd have SS, and Medicaid would pay for their nursing home, then they complain about the low standard of living the government provides.  I just read an article in the local paper about seniors who are having problems paying a $250 annual increase in property taxes because a tax break that applied to low-income seniors expired.  Ummm, you own a home and you can't handle $250 with of additional expense?  How well are you mantaining the place?  What are your plans if you need a new furnace?  Maybe you should be looking for subsidized rental housing instead of trying to hang onto a house you can't afford?

I know there are people who worked minimum wage all their lives, people who have exhausted retirement savings during unemployment, single mothers who had to spend everything keeping their kids clothed and fed- but I really get irritated by people who could have helped themselves and didn't, and then complain about what they get.

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How come none of these able, having lots of time on their hands retirees came together, formed a groups and petitioned to the citi, state...about having less benefits than forreigners?

I think the reason is the same one for there not being a White Entertainment Television. If you pushed for either one very quickly you would be labeled at politically incorrect. It's out of style now to want equality both ways.

[tloonya]

Jun 11, 2013 12:25:35 GMT -5 @athena53 said:

I know there are people who worked minimum wage all their lives, people who have exhausted retirement savings during unemployment, single mothers who had to spend everything keeping their kids clothed and fed- but I really get irritated by people who could have helped themselves and didn't, and then complain about what they get.

athena,
thanks for your input, however let's talk about those you had mentioned as :
who worked minimum wage all their lives, people who have exhausted retirement savings during unemployment, single mothers who had to spend everything keeping their kids clothed and fed
ONLY
and not those others who 'could'...(because Id meant those people an only those).

So what do you say now?

[tloonya]

Jun 11, 2013 13:07:59 GMT -5 @oldtex said:

How come none of these able, having lots of time on their hands retirees came together, formed a groups and petitioned to the citi, state...about having less benefits than forreigners?

I think the reason is the same one for there not being a White Entertainment Television. If you pushed for either one very quickly you would be labeled at politically incorrect. It's out of style now to want equality both ways.

...good point, however, you know, oldtex why there is no White E! TV?
Because we are sitting there and letting brothers push us around.
We are like those fat geese who just comfortably on their fat butts and our necks are so stuffed so we don't care to...care!!!!!!!!

What would you think would happened if all of a sudden there was White E! TV?

Everyone would stink a lot, then get tired of it and go look for next victim, right?
What are we so afraid of? Pres is black now! Its equal opportunity country.
We proved it!
Now we can finally be pale without feeling guilty. Can we?

[Deleted]

Jun 11, 2013 13:14:35 GMT -5 tloonya said:

[Let's talk about those you had mentioned as :
who worked minimum wage all their lives, people who have exhausted retirement savings during unemployment, single mothers who had to spend everything keeping their kids clothed and fed
ONLY
and not those others who 'could'...(because Id meant those people an only those).

So what do you say now?

Every government has to decide what minimum level of subsistence it is willing to assure its citizens through tax dollars. In India, where women in saris feed boulders into stone-crushing machines and a guy who looked to be in his late 60s pedaled me around in his bicycle rickshaw, it's zero. You don't work, you don't eat. In the US, if you get SS after working minimum wage all your life, you have a steady, predictable income. You don't have to work to keep it coming in. You don't have to worry about losing a job you're no longer physically capable of doing. You have Medicare.

Want to ratchet it up a notch? Medical care with no out of pocket? Higher minimum benefits? any nursing home you want, fully covered? It's going to cost more from the pockets of the people currently working. Margaret Thatcher once said there is no government money. It's taxpayer money. Further, since the politicians are going to want to take immediate credit for the new plan, the enhanced benefits will go to people who didn't pay extra taxes to get them. That's exactly what happened with SS. People currently employed are paying in and it's going to current retirees. Our birth rates are decreasing and we're never going to catch up.

If you want better than what the government provides, save for it. That's the American way.

[midjd]

I think the reason is the same one for there not being a White Entertainment Television. If you pushed for either one very quickly you would be labeled at politically incorrect. It's out of style now to want equality both ways.

White Entertainment Television = MTV, MTV2, VH1, AMC, E!, TBS, USA, Lifetime, WE, and just about every other channel except maybe Oprah's channel (and of course BET). Yes, there are sometimes black people featured on these channels, just as there are sometimes white people featured on BET (going back to Jim Carrey in In Living Color).

Overall I don't think whites need to be too worried about seeking "equality" in the entertainment industry.

[The Home 6]

I like watching Oprah's channel, and I am about as white as they come.

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Jun 11, 2013 13:22:56 GMT -5 tloonya said:

Jun 11, 2013 13:07:59 GMT -5 @oldtex said:

How come none of these able, having lots of time on their hands retirees came together, formed a groups and petitioned to the citi, state...about having less benefits than forreigners?

I think the reason is the same one for there not being a White Entertainment Television. If you pushed for either one very quickly you would be labeled at politically incorrect. It's out of style now to want equality both ways.

...good point, however, you know, oldtex why there is no White E! TV?
Because we are sitting there and letting brothers push us around.
We are like those fat geese who just comfortably on their fat butts and our necks are so stuffed so we don't care to...care!!!!!!!!

What would you think would happened if all of a sudden there was White E! TV?

Everyone would stink a lot, then get tired of it and go look for next victim, right?
What are we so afraid of? Pres is black now! Its equal opportunity country.
We proved it!
Now we can finally be pale without feeling guilty. Can we?

Now we can finally be pale without feeling guilty. Can we?

Actually I only "claim" to be white to save time. I'm part Indian & probably a lot of other stuff.

It's just me but I think that we can never be equal until we can laugh about our difference. I figure that all people are equal until they piss me off & then their color has nothing to do with it. Being in the A.F. I've had friends of all colors but that would really be expected. Before that as a kid I had lot of black & Mexican friends & what their first language was or what color they were had nothing to do with me liking or not liking them.

To me being equal works both ways. Current thinking is that if your a majority you are already wrong. Sorry but that's bull & I can say that because I'm not part of the majority (unless I want to say I am ).

[tloonya]

OK! Am I the only one that can say I am white? Even oldtex became 'off-white' and 'red' a little when I had posted all the above! Geezus-Moses-Budda-Christ!

[NancysSummerSip]

Jun 12, 2013 13:50:15 GMT -5 tloonya said:

OK! Am I the only one that can say I am white? Even oldtex became 'off-white' and 'red' a little when I had posted all the above! Geezus-Moses-Budda-Christ!

So politically incorrect, yet so hilarious! I want to LOL, but I am at work, so I can't. I may have to find a way to add this to the Cheesipedia.

[Rocky Mtn Saver]

First off, 'white' isn't really a race.  By white, I'm assuming you mean Causasian.  And secondly, there probably aren't a whole lot of purely 'anything' any more because of all the migration and intermingling through recorded history.  Most people at this stage are probably a little bit of many things. 

ETA:  But if it makes you feel better Looney, my family is Italian and German, so I'm probably pretty close to all white. 

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Jun 12, 2013 14:38:47 GMT -5 Rocky Mtn Saver said:

ETA:  But if it makes you feel better Looney, my family is Italian and German, 

So, Rockey, what is your personality more resembles ?
Love and passion or more analytical in nature. Hopley both.    

I for one I am on my own 'Lala land".  

[mrsdutt]

LOONEY:  It may be that the current immigration groups have a plan to come here and live off the system.  I'm not very educated in this area because of where I lived most of my life.  But, I see this as a possibility.

People having been in this country their entire lives may have an attitude of self reliance, whether they have money or not.  Whether they did or didn't save.  Or not saved to rely on SS.  (Keep in mind most people were not aware of economic changes.  We are much more aware today of these things.)

So like everything else in life, it may be how the subject is approached, intellectually.

[tloonya]

Jun 13, 2013 6:39:02 GMT -5 mrsdutt said:

People having been in this country their entire lives may have an attitude of self reliance, whether they have money or not.  Whether they did or didn't save.  Or not saved to rely on SS.  (Keep in mind most people were not aware of economic changes.  We are much more aware today of these things.)

So like everything else in life, it may be how the subject is approached, intellectually.

 Plain english, por favor...


Nanceeee...you making me google 'Cheesipedia'...

[tloonya]

Jun 12, 2013 14:38:47 GMT -5 Rocky Mtn Saver said:

First off, 'white' isn't really a race.  By white, I'm assuming you mean Causasian.  And secondly, there probably aren't a whole lot of purely 'anything' any more because of all the migration and intermingling through recorded history.  Most people at this stage are probably a little bit of many things. 

ETA:  But if it makes you feel better Looney, my family is Italian and German, so I'm probably pretty close to all white. 

First off, 'white' isn't really a race.
Thanks for clarifying that for us.

By white, I'm assuming you mean Causasian.
Thats safe to assume I suppose

And secondly, there probably aren't a whole lot of purely 'anything' any more because of all the migration and intermingling through recorded history.
I would prefer 'anybody' to 'anything' when speaking of humans. Also I would disagree
because in Europe there aren't as many 'choices' to mix with so there are plenty of pure white 'anythings'.

Most people at this stage are probably a little bit of many things.
Read above.


ETA: But if it makes you feel better Looney, my family is Italian and German, so I'm probably pretty close to all white.
Passionate german!!! Its whether LOL or OMG!

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Jun 13, 2013 9:40:22 GMT -5 tloonya said:

ETA: But if it makes you feel better Looney, my family is Italian and German, so I'm probably pretty close to all white.
Passionate german!!! Its whether LOL or OMG!

tloonya,

I have met few of them in my lifetime. "Passionate German".
From "Oktoberfest"

[Rocky Mtn Saver]

Jun 13, 2013 9:40:22 GMT -5 tloonya said:

And secondly, there probably aren't a whole lot of purely 'anything' any more because of all the migration and intermingling through recorded history.
I would prefer 'anybody' to 'anything' when speaking of humans. Also I would disagree
because in Europe there aren't as many 'choices' to mix with so there are plenty of pure white 'anythings'.

Most people at this stage are probably a little bit of many things.
Read above.

Race and/or ethnicity are things. Grammatically, the word choice was correct.

And from what I've seen of Europe, I disagree that there aren't a lot of 'choices' to mix with. I haven't seen it being any more or less multi-ethnic or multi-national than here in the US.

[Tennesseer]

Jun 13, 2013 9:40:22 GMT -5 tloonya said:

Jun 12, 2013 14:38:47 GMT -5 Rocky Mtn Saver said:

First off, 'white' isn't really a race.  By white, I'm assuming you mean Causasian.  And secondly, there probably aren't a whole lot of purely 'anything' any more because of all the migration and intermingling through recorded history.  Most people at this stage are probably a little bit of many things. 

ETA:  But if it makes you feel better Looney, my family is Italian and German, so I'm probably pretty close to all white. 

First off, 'white' isn't really a race.
Thanks for clarifying that for us.

By white, I'm assuming you mean Causasian.
Thats safe to assume I suppose

And secondly, there probably aren't a whole lot of purely 'anything' any more because of all the migration and intermingling through recorded history.
I would prefer 'anybody' to 'anything' when speaking of humans. Also I would disagree
because in Europe there aren't as many 'choices' to mix with so there are plenty of pure white 'anythings'.

Most people at this stage are probably a little bit of many things.
Read above.


ETA: But if it makes you feel better Looney, my family is Italian and German, so I'm probably pretty close to all white.
Passionate german!!! Its whether LOL or OMG!

For someone who refuses to construct a grammatically correct sentence, you sure are picky.

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Jun 12, 2013 13:50:15 GMT -5 tloonya said:

OK! Am I the only one that can say I am white? Even oldtex became 'off-white' and 'red' a little when I had posted all the above! Geezus-Moses-Budda-Christ!

Tloonya sorry but I've always been what I've been but don't think that who my parents were makes any difference. I'm usually mistaken for Mexican because unless you look close that's what I look like (wrong tone under the skin) & also my last name isn't Mexican (or even close). I'm also a bit larger than most Mexicans. As I've said before my Grandfather met Grandmom on the Ponca reservation where she lived.

I guess the point is that I doubt that there are very few 100% ethnic people out there. We are all mostly mixed. Heck even if your 1st generation here you were probably mixed in the old country. And what we look like doesn't mean that, that's what we are. For instance there are a lot of redheads that come from Ireland, but there are also redheads in Mexico. What we look like means nothing, what we are inside means everything & that you can't know without knowing the people.

My opinion is that people that are real wrapped up in "being" a certain thing have nothing to be proud of that they did. (I didn't put that well but maybe you get what I'm saying).

As far as what I claim to be. In the A.F. you fill out a shit load of forms over the years. I tended to mark "what I was" on a whim & that included what religion I was. To be honest if it meant that I stood in a mobility line 10 minutes less I would have marked that my religion was Sun worshiper.

[tloonya]

Jun 13, 2013 14:21:14 GMT -5 @snowbird said:

Jun 13, 2013 9:40:22 GMT -5 tloonya said:

ETA: But if it makes you feel better Looney, my family is Italian and German, so I'm probably pretty close to all white.
Passionate german!!! Its whether LOL or OMG!

tloonya,

I have met few of them in my lifetime. "Passionate German".
From "Oktoberfest"

Gimme those bratwursts with sourkraft and beer anytime!!!!!!
 YUMMmmmmmSTER!