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Post by Peace Of Mind on Jun 7, 2013 15:27:36 GMT -5
For some reason this made me laugh. Do as I say and not as I do? Would you ever hire somebody to teach you how to be happy or to live your life? And what if you hired people who did this? What if their advice and teachings worked. Would you then doubt your happiness? I hope nobody took their advice and if they did they stopped now that they've offed themselves. NY authorities: Self-help couple commits suicide:"NEW YORK (AP) - On a radio show they hosted called "The Pursuit of Happiness," John Littig and Lynne Rosen urged listeners to embrace spontaneity. "So much about life is about impulse," Littig said on a broadcast this year on an FM station in New York, WBAI. "It's about doing it right now." A shocking decision the couple made together appeared more methodical: Police say they killed themselves side by side as part of a suicide pact. Autopsies found that both Littig, 47, and Rosen, 45, died from asphyxiation after inhaling helium, a spokeswoman for medical examiner's office said Thursday. The bodies were discovered Wednesday on a couch in the couple's brownstone in Brooklyn. In separate suicide notes, Lettig indicated that they were determined to die together, while Rosen apologized to her family, police said. But beyond that, why two people who made a living giving advice on how to lead more fulfilling lives decided to cut short their own wasn't clear. There was no immediate response to a message left." link
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Jun 7, 2013 15:36:40 GMT -5
This.
But I'm guessing there's more to the story. Like maybe financial issues. Either they were broke, or they were stealing from others, and they did not want to be around when they were found out.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 7, 2013 16:38:06 GMT -5
Many of Sigmund Freud's close relatives (nieces, etc.) went on to pioneer "effective techniques" for parenting children in the 50's, 60's, and 70's. They were widely followed in psychological circles until their labours started bearing fruits. You could look for a thousand years and never find another family tree with that many suicides.
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Post by toomuchreality on Jun 7, 2013 16:56:20 GMT -5
Talk about ironic, huh?
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 7, 2013 17:05:42 GMT -5
A very bizarre story. I read somewhere that the guy's suicide note stated the woman was in "great pain". Curious minds want to know what "great pain".
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Post by Cookies Galore on Jun 7, 2013 17:09:24 GMT -5
My immediate assumption was a (terminal) illness.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 7, 2013 17:11:23 GMT -5
That's what I am thinking. But why not help their listeners by talking about that too.
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Post by toomuchreality on Jun 7, 2013 19:00:45 GMT -5
A very bizarre story. I read somewhere that the guy's suicide note stated the woman was in "great pain". Curious minds want to know what "great pain". Agreed, it may have been helpful to either them, or others, to talk about it. Sad that their lives weren't worth living, to them any more.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2013 8:04:03 GMT -5
Maybe listening to depressed people all day long makes you despondent?
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Post by Shooby on Jun 8, 2013 9:14:10 GMT -5
I have never heard of someone committing suicide with helium? I thought it was relatively safe. So, maybe they had suicide type writings pondering death but is it really a suicide? Just seems odd.
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Post by Shooby on Jun 8, 2013 9:14:52 GMT -5
A very bizarre story. I read somewhere that the guy's suicide note stated the woman was in "great pain". Curious minds want to know what "great pain". Well, people can be in great emotional or spiritual pain or mental anguish.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2013 11:22:44 GMT -5
It makes a lot of sense to me. Many people who go into the helping, self-help, or find your happiness type professions come from a troubled background themselves. www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200909/why-shrinks-have-problemsI feel very sorry for this couple and their families. Their "product" was happiness and how to achieve it. It may have been difficult for them to ask for help given what they did as a living. They must have felt like failures on many levels when they got to this point.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2013 12:37:28 GMT -5
I wonder if this couple thought their last act was one of happiness? Sad ending if that was their case.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 8, 2013 17:29:05 GMT -5
I have never heard of someone committing suicide with helium? I thought it was relatively safe. So, maybe they had suicide type writings pondering death but is it really a suicide? Just seems odd. Yeah, I thought all helium did was make you giggle. Not directly related to the case but just about helium poisoning and suicide. From a 2006 article: More: Stay Out of That Balloon! The dangers of helium inhalation.
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Post by toomuchreality on Jun 8, 2013 18:22:45 GMT -5
Dang! I was gonna go balloon bouncing tonight.... Way to ruin my plans 'T'! Thanks a lot!
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 8, 2013 18:26:34 GMT -5
Dang! I was gonna go balloon bouncing tonight.... Way to ruin my plans 'T'! As long as they're giant soap bubbles you're okay. Thanks a lot!
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Post by toomuchreality on Jun 8, 2013 18:47:47 GMT -5
Dang! I was gonna go balloon bouncing tonight.... Way to ruin my plans 'T'! As long as they're giant soap bubbles you're okay. Thanks a lot! Oh, my! It's a BIG one!
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Post by toomuchreality on Jun 8, 2013 18:50:35 GMT -5
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Post by Shooby on Jun 8, 2013 19:42:49 GMT -5
Well, it isn't known to be a reliable method of suicide. And, for most people breathing it 100% would pass out from oxygen deprivation and then drop the helium and begin to breathe again. Unless they set up some elaborate mechanism to continue insufflating the helium, i think it would be very difficult to kill oneself in that manner. That is why i am not so sure they should be so quick to rule it a suicide.
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Post by Jaguar on Jun 8, 2013 19:53:55 GMT -5
So what then, some strange sex game gone bad ? A large number of people have died from sex games gone awry.
This is the thing with high powered couples, when they get bored it's not enough to do what everyone else does.
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Post by Shooby on Jun 8, 2013 19:57:18 GMT -5
Yes. I mean it just seems like a strange choice if for a method to successfully commit suicide. I would wonder if that was indeed the case and that perhaps they are jumping to conclusions from finding them dead. It didn't say that there was a suicide note with the body but it sounded like more general writings. One could hold the other one down but it isn't all that easy to asphyxiate yourself through inhalents. Yes, it can be done but for a more educated couple it just doesn't sound like it fits. I dunno. Anyone else of that same mind?
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 8, 2013 20:30:37 GMT -5
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 8, 2013 20:33:07 GMT -5
Yes. I mean it just seems like a strange choice if for a method to successfully commit suicide. I would wonder if that was indeed the case and that perhaps they are jumping to conclusions from finding them dead. It didn't say that there was a suicide note with the body but it sounded like more general writings. One could hold the other one down but it isn't all that easy to asphyxiate yourself through inhalents. Yes, it can be done but for a more educated couple it just doesn't sound like it fits. I dunno. Anyone else of that same mind? POM's opening post states suicide notes were found. My aunt offed herself and left no suicide note. Many don't leave suicide notes or notes that state "I am killing myself because..."
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Post by Shooby on Jun 9, 2013 8:29:29 GMT -5
Yes. I mean it just seems like a strange choice if for a method to successfully commit suicide. I would wonder if that was indeed the case and that perhaps they are jumping to conclusions from finding them dead. It didn't say that there was a suicide note with the body but it sounded like more general writings. One could hold the other one down but it isn't all that easy to asphyxiate yourself through inhalents. Yes, it can be done but for a more educated couple it just doesn't sound like it fits. I dunno. Anyone else of that same mind? POM's opening post states suicide notes were found. My aunt offed herself and left no suicide note. Many don't leave suicide notes or notes that state "I am killing myself because..." I know. I understand that. I am well acquainted with suicide. Most people committing a suicide don't leave a note behind. But, i am saying that they should consider that perhaps it is an accident as well.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 9, 2013 9:46:10 GMT -5
POM's opening post states suicide notes were found. My aunt offed herself and left no suicide note. Many don't leave suicide notes or notes that state "I am killing myself because..." I know. I understand that. I am well acquainted with suicide. Most people committing a suicide don't leave a note behind. But, i am saying that they should consider that perhaps it is an accident as well. Seriously? An accident with exit bags over their heads?
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 9, 2013 10:07:43 GMT -5
"They used what’s described on the FDNY web site as “exit bags” to kill themselves. “They are said to provide a fast, peaceful, undetectable death to those wishing to commit suicide,” the site says." www.nydailynews.com/new-york/brooklyn/brooklyn-couple-committed-suicide-co-hosted-radio-show-article-1.1363804Will this convince Shooby they weren't just inhaling helium for fun and the Micky Muse voice? "Autopsies found that John Littig, 47, and Lynne Rosen, 45, died from asphyxiation after inhaling helium, a spokeswoman for medical examiner's office said Thursday. The bodies were discovered Wednesday in the couple's home, with so-called "exit bags" over their heads. The suicide method — using plastic bags with draw strings and a hose attached to helium canister — is becoming more common because of it provides "a fast, peaceful, undetectable death" compared with suffocation by carbon dioxide, according to a recent fire department memo prepared for paramedics. The method, however, is not foolproof. In separate notes, Lettig indicated that they were determined to die together, while Rosen apologized to her family, police said." news.yahoo.com/nyc-authorities-pursuit-happiness-radio-self-help-couple-210704695.html
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Post by Shooby on Jun 9, 2013 10:07:51 GMT -5
I am not saying it wasn't a suicide. But, that from the article i didn't really think there was enough info reported to say that absolutely. I assume the authorities at the scene took note of everything. I would have liked to see more info in reported in the story.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 9, 2013 10:23:54 GMT -5
I am not saying it wasn't a suicide. But, that from the article i didn't really think there was enough info reported to say that absolutely. I assume the authorities at the scene took note of everything. I would have liked to see more info in reported in the story. Google it like I did. You might learn something.
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Post by Shooby on Jun 9, 2013 10:25:44 GMT -5
Well, you don't have to be snarky. I am just discussing it. I read one of the articles online and it had limited info. You seem to be intent to argue with me no matter what the topic.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 9, 2013 10:36:19 GMT -5
Well, you don't have to be snarky. I am just discussing it. I read one of the articles online and it had limited info. You seem to be intent to argue with me no matter what the topic. Yea. I live to do that.
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