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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2011 19:54:29 GMT -5
Okay-- I gave you guys ALL DAY before I did this. I guess no one thinks this is important?? Well, I live in AZ, and it is important. If the FEDS, or anyone posting HERE, do not LIKE our countersuit-- you should have left it alone and not interfered when we tried to pass our own laws to protect our citizens and our state! www.kvoa.com/news/arizona-sues-feds-over-immigration/Posted: Feb 10, 2011 9:47 PM Updated: Feb 11, 2011 1:44 AM TUCSON - Telling the world she has no other choice, Arizona Governor Jan Brewer has filed suit against the federal government. She is suing the Obama administration because they are suing Arizona to block portions of the illegal immigration law. SB1070 is the source of international debate, signed by Brewer last April. The law let police identify and help deport anyone suspected of being in the country illegally. Brewer and Tom Horne, the state attorney general, taking lead on the counter-suit. They are going up against the Federal Government on 5 separate counts. They are failure to achieve operational control of the border, failure to enforce immigration laws, failure to protect Arizona citizens, failure to reimburse Arizona for incarceration of illegal immigrants, and violating Arizona's 10th amendment.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2011 19:57:33 GMT -5
Yeah, this sucks, and never should have happened. We TRIED to deal with our problems on a state level!! The Feds blocked us, and many approved of what they did!! Now we have THIS!!! Don't anyone say-- "Well, AZ is broke and cannot afford this, blahblahblah..." Not ONE CENT of this lawsuit is funded by tax payers!! It is all from donations from all over the fantastic United States Of America!
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Post by henryclay on Feb 11, 2011 20:23:46 GMT -5
krickett, there are only four words needed to cap what your governor is doing:
JAN BREWER FOR PRESIDENT!!!!
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Post by upstatemom on Feb 11, 2011 20:36:21 GMT -5
krickett, there are only four words needed to cap what your governor is doing: JAN BREWER FOR PRESIDENT!!!! She has my vote!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2011 20:46:15 GMT -5
You rock, Henry!! Mess with the states, the states will mess back!! Jan Is a cool old lady!! I love her!! We got her when Obama took Jan Nap. Unfortunately for AZ, Jan Nap is acting on Obama policies. You want to hear something really WEIRD??? At one point, Jan Nap got lots of Nat Guard on the border for a LONG time under Bush. It really helped. Then it went away. Things have gone to crap now, and the past #s no longer apply to reality, as the problem is SO much worse now. I was born in El Paso TX, have many cousins and nieces and nephews there. All I can say to them now is PLEASE be careful and God bless!! My Juarez, where I played in the streets as a kid-- is GONE, and it is just a gunshot away from anyone even driving on the I-10 through El Paso. Little kids from El Paso can no longer go to Juarez. Yeah-- the 3rd war-- the one LEAST PC to talk about. Would it be a hoot if Brewer threw her hat in?? LOL-- might as well, everyone else is!! Victory to the best man/woman among the freedom seekers still alive and well in the USA!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2011 20:48:44 GMT -5
upmom-- thank you for stopping in!! I spent my exalt on henry, you are next!! LOL-- I love the stupid exalts!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2011 21:51:17 GMT -5
gotcha, upmom-- took me a while to earn my kudos back.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2011 23:52:00 GMT -5
I figured that sooner rather than later someone was going to do something about the U.S. government not doing it's duty to protect our borders. Just wish someone had done something a couple of million aliens ago. I hope she wins in court!!!!
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Post by SweetVirginia on Feb 12, 2011 0:04:29 GMT -5
With the exception of a few, I truly believe that if everyone who is pro amnesty/ illegal alien rights, would live in Southern CA or Southern AZ for one month, they would leave with a different opinion on the whole"amnesty" issue. It is one thing to hear the "plight" of the poor illegal immigrants, it is another to live day to day with the consequences of illegal immigration in your own back yard. By the way, being anti illegal immigration does not equal being anti legal immigration or being racist. FYI.
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Post by Mad Dawg Wiccan on Feb 12, 2011 2:45:15 GMT -5
krickett, there are only four words needed to cap what your governor is doing: JAN BREWER FOR PRESIDENT!!!! You get an Exalt for that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2011 12:14:01 GMT -5
with 10% unemployment I don't think even liberals could debate that we could use every job we can get.I think your wrong there but then I could be wrong. As for illegal aliens, we have laws & we either enforce them or we don't. If we as a country pick not enforcing them then I suggest that we don't enforce other laws as well. I figure if the government can pick which laws they want to enforce so can I. After all from what I've seen the average American (even though they may be dumber than a rock) is still a lot smarter than the U.S. government. Just my thoughts.
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Post by skweet on Feb 12, 2011 16:46:04 GMT -5
I disagree with the law. I would not have voted for it if I lived in AZ. I am sympathetic to the laborer willing to put in a hard day's work for a fair price, that can't navigate our immigration system. That being said, I support, even more, a state's right to govern within it's borders. I respect the crap out of a state government that comes up with a bold plan to address a problem of which our federal government is terrified to even discuss with any concrete words. To sum up, NO on the law, YES to Brewer for POTUS.
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Post by jkapp on Feb 12, 2011 20:10:57 GMT -5
Okay-- I gave you guys ALL DAY before I did this. I guess no one thinks this is important?? Well, I live in AZ, and it is important. If the FEDS, or anyone posting HERE, do not LIKE our countersuit-- you should have left it alone and not interfered when we tried to pass our own laws to protect our citizens and our state! www.kvoa.com/news/arizona-sues-feds-over-immigration/Posted: Feb 10, 2011 9:47 PM Updated: Feb 11, 2011 1:44 AM TUCSON - Telling the world she has no other choice, Arizona Governor Jan Brewer has filed suit against the federal government. She is suing the Obama administration because they are suing Arizona to block portions of the illegal immigration law. SB1070 is the source of international debate, signed by Brewer last April. The law let police identify and help deport anyone suspected of being in the country illegally. Brewer and Tom Horne, the state attorney general, taking lead on the counter-suit. They are going up against the Federal Government on 5 separate counts. They are failure to achieve operational control of the border, failure to enforce immigration laws, failure to protect Arizona citizens, failure to reimburse Arizona for incarceration of illegal immigrants, and violating Arizona's 10th amendment. LOL! It's about time some state did this!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2011 13:07:25 GMT -5
Trouble on the AZ border?? Meet Roger Barnett. I've been following this guy for years. A video on the court decision a few days ago that he has to pays illegals around $70,000 for violating their civil rights, causing them emotional distress, assault, which he says he did not do-- after holding them for BP ON HIS RANCH!!!! video.foxnews.com/v/4531303This is his website, if anyone cares-- it is very informative. Illegals have killed his cattle, cut his water lines, trashed his property, stolen his truck, and generally terrorized his family for years-- ON HIS PRIVATE PROPERTY. He has turned over many thousands to BP in the last few years. www.desertinvasion.us/invasion_pictures/invasion_barnett.htmlIn his website you will see videos, pictures, read about his ongoing legal problems from protecting his family and property. It is very informative and shocking to see what this family has to deal with on a daily basis. His property is a main drug and human smuggling route, has been for years. These illegals have LOTS of inside help from the USA. They were clearly told EXACTLY what to say if they got stopped by Barnett. This is really out of control here, people. He has no RIGHT to pull a gun on unknown trespassers on his own property??? We had a rancher murdered last year on his property... Brewer is trying to help us. Feds won't let her. Feds won't do shit.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2011 14:59:46 GMT -5
Well-- I knew this was coming, so I watched for it, and here it is. (Off topic, but not worth a thread, especially since I started this one.) Will Gabby Giffords run for Jon Kyl's Senate seat?? How ghoulish and out of line political can one be?? I took this from a conservative link. No desire to see how libs are presenting this, but you guys may want to check it out on a more liberal link. www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/02/will_gabrielle_giffords_run_fo.html
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Post by jnap on Feb 13, 2011 15:05:15 GMT -5
The following was taken from the Washington post and clearly shows that many do not know much about the Obama administration and illegal immigration in particular. The Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency expects to deport about 400,000 people this fiscal year, nearly 10 percent above the Bush administration's 2008 total and 25 percent more than were deported in 2007. The pace of company audits has roughly quadrupled since President George W. Bush's final year in office. The effort is part of President Obama's larger project "to make our national laws actually work," as he put it in a speech this month at American University. Partly designed to entice Republicans to support comprehensive immigration reform, the mission is proving difficult and politically perilous. Obama is drawing flak from those who contend the administration is weak on border security and from those who are disappointed he has not done more to fulfill his campaign promise to help the country's estimated 11 million illegal residents. Trying to thread a needle, the president contends enforcement -- including the deployment of fresh troops to the Mexico border -- is a necessary but insufficient solution. John Morton instructed officers to focus their "principal attention" on felons and repeat lawbreakers. The policy, influenced by a series of sometimes-heated White House meetings, also targets repeat border crossers and declares that parents caring for children or the infirm should be detained only in unusual cases. "We're trying to put our money where our mouth is," Morton said in an interview, describing the goal as a "rational" immigration policy. "You've got to have aggressive enforcement against criminal offenders. You have to have a secure border. You have to have some integrity in the system." Morton said the 400,000 people expected to be deported this year -- either physically removed or allowed to leave on their own power -- represent the maximum the overburdened processing, detention and immigration court system can handle
For those that like to site the constitution in their talking points, the fourteenth amendment to the constitution clearly states that no state shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States. To paraphase, those accused of being illegal shall not be deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law. So, even though someone may be thought to be illegal they are still under federal jurisdiction. Simply put Arizona can not deport anyone and must turn them over to Federal authorities. I think what Arizona really wants is money from the Federal Government and is using this lawsuit as leverage to get some cash. Ultimately, Arizona's lawsuit will have been found to be a waste of time and money.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2011 16:04:23 GMT -5
You don't live in Arizona, California, or Texas, do you? Hey, we have MANY organizations here you could donate your time and money to so those poor illegals don't get traumatized for having a gun pulled on them while trespassing on private property.
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Post by Frappuccino on Feb 13, 2011 20:01:07 GMT -5
Why not make Mexico part of the United States and issue SSNs to everyone. Then we can collect Federal, State, Local, Sales, Use, Excise, Fuel, and Property taxes (and any other taxes I forgot) from everyone. Then we can enforce our employment laws so that no one is getting paid under the table and everyone is paying their taxes. Then, we can really crack down on the illegal drug makers and dealers, so that Arizona can be safer for its taxpaying citizens and children. Then, we can make Mexico more desirable and maybe many Americans will want to live in Mexico too.
The problem of illegal immigration has gone on way too long to try to deport illegal immigrants from Mexico now. The Republican and Democrat politicians wanted the illegal immigrants here or else they would have put a stop to this a long time ago. Now, we must come up with a realistic plan to deal with the problem now.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Feb 13, 2011 20:31:19 GMT -5
the fourteenth amendment to the constitution clearly states that no state shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States. To paraphase, those accused of being illegal shall not be deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law. So, even though someone may be thought to be illegal they are still under federal jurisdiction. Simply put Arizona can not deport anyone and must turn them over to Federal authorities.
That danged Constitution - again!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2011 21:50:58 GMT -5
You are telling me the rights of illegal aliens sneaking in from another country are more valid than the rights of an American citizen on his own property? SO-- the ranchers should sell their cattle and hide indoors, or should they stand outside and offer kool-aid and beef to the criminals trespassing on their land? This is an article about this case written by a legal Latina woman. And she is not alone -- my entire in-law family of Mexican Americans feel the same way, and so does my good friend on these boards that is a legal Latina immigrant and a Democrat. www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.2610/pub_detail.aspThis is not a race issue. It is about right and wrong, about allowing criminals to violate private property and trample on the rights of tax paying American citizens.
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Post by jkapp on Feb 14, 2011 8:58:44 GMT -5
You are telling me the rights of illegal aliens sneaking in from another country are more valid than the rights of an American citizen on his own property? SO-- the ranchers should sell their cattle and hide indoors, or should they stand outside and offer kool-aid and beef to the criminals trespassing on their land? This is an article about this case written by a legal Latina woman. And she is not alone -- my entire in-law family of Mexican Americans feel the same way, and so does my good friend on these boards that is a legal Latina immigrant and a Democrat. www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.2610/pub_detail.aspThis is not a race issue. It is about right and wrong, about allowing criminals to violate private property and trample on the rights of tax paying American citizens. You're wasting your breath...the pro-illegal crowd couldn't care less about the rights or safety of legal, taxpaying American citizens.
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Post by workpublic on Feb 14, 2011 9:19:42 GMT -5
You're wasting your breath...the pro-illegal crowd couldn't care less about the rights or safety of legal, taxpaying American citizens.
sad but true. it's not the individual illegal they care about either. it's an agenda to destroy America.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Feb 14, 2011 9:52:22 GMT -5
" You are telling me the rights of illegal aliens sneaking in from another country are more valid than the rights of an American citizen on his own property?" No, I'm saying that there are ways to deal with problems that are Constitutional. This is not one of them.
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Post by workpublic on Feb 14, 2011 9:57:16 GMT -5
No, I'm saying that there are ways to deal with problems that are Constitutional
unless the federal govt blocks them, unconstitutionally. now we're expected to use the constitution to solve a problem caused by not using/enforcing/living by the constitution?
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Post by Waffle on Feb 14, 2011 10:08:08 GMT -5
Hello, I've been lurking here for a while but this is my first time to post on this board.
I live in Indiana, and illegal immigration hasn't been a huge problem around here. But perhaps one of you who lives in a border state could explain to me. Why don't they just crack down on the employers? They did that a few years ago here with some construction companies that were using cheaper labor in the form of illegal aliens.
It seems to me that if people knew that it wasn't easy to get work here as an illegal, it would be a lot less attractive to come here illegally.
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Post by workpublic on Feb 14, 2011 10:18:36 GMT -5
Why don't they just crack down on the employers?
the govt and their monied owners want them here.
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Post by Waffle on Feb 14, 2011 10:34:52 GMT -5
Why don't they just crack down on the employers? the govt and their monied owners want them here. I'm inferring from your statement that the what the govt and the monied owners want is cheap labor. If that's the case (not saying it is or it isn't), why wouldn't Ariz's governor want cheap labor also? Or is there some other reason the govt and the monied owners want them here?
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Post by ChiTownVenture on Feb 14, 2011 10:50:29 GMT -5
" You are telling me the rights of illegal aliens sneaking in from another country are more valid than the rights of an American citizen on his own property?" No, I'm saying that there are ways to deal with problems that are Constitutional. This is not one of them. Agreed. Why are you labeled pro-illegal immigration when you ask that the constitution be up held? This is a Federal issue, the states need to press the Federal Government to act.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Feb 14, 2011 10:52:28 GMT -5
Why are you labeled pro-illegal immigration when you ask that the constitution be up held?
Thank you for asking that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2011 11:15:48 GMT -5
hello, waffle. We use E-verify here in AZ. It is this program where potential employers can run SS# through and make sure they are legit. BUT-- AZ is #1 in the US for identity theft, and illegals have false IDs that can pass E-verify. Our Gov is doing everything she can to try to help, but the Feds are blocking our state from trying to handle our problem. The Feds sent National Guard, but not near enough of them, and they have desk jobs and are not allowed to enforce the law, just to inform border patrol if they see something. The border is wide open. The fencing is inadequate, and there are big gaps in it. Lots of it is vehicle fencing-- will only stop cars, not people. Animal rights groups have a hand in that-- they say the wildlife must be allowed to cross the land freely. We have citizens inside the US that help the illegals get in, get in a safe house, and get jobs, as well as navigate the welfare system. We even have kids that LIVE in Mexico driven to the border every morning where AZ school buses pick them up and take them to our schools. It's a mess here. Here is a video that shows the border fence.
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