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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2013 13:44:38 GMT -5
Are you saying we need two more right leaning stations like Fox to help counter balance the three left leaning stations like ABC, CBS, and NBC ? i don't think FOX is right leaning. but then again, i don't think MSNBC is left leaning. they would both sell out their mothers for a shekel. that is their bias. dj You are joking right. But I agree they would both sell out their mothers for a penny.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2013 14:16:14 GMT -5
i don't think FOX is right leaning. but then again, i don't think MSNBC is left leaning. they would both sell out their mothers for a shekel. that is their bias. dj You are joking right. But I agree they would both sell out their mothers for a penny. Caveat Emptor.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 10, 2013 14:49:49 GMT -5
i don't think FOX is right leaning. but then again, i don't think MSNBC is left leaning. they would both sell out their mothers for a shekel. that is their bias. dj You are joking right. i rarely joke. particularly about this subject. it is all about marketing. identify a target market, and sell to it. if FOX didn't already dominate conservative demographics, MSNBC would go after it. but they see a big opening on the left, and they are there to fill it. what i am saying is that it has nothing whatsoever to do with bias. FOX would do it too, if there was a dime in it for them- and it really has to do with WHAT is being reported, rather than how it is being reported. if you compare how the same story is reported on different networks, i would challenge you to see any difference whatsoever.But I agree they would both sell out their mothers for a penny. well, that's a relief.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 10, 2013 14:54:40 GMT -5
dj You are joking right. But I agree they would both sell out their mothers for a penny. Caveat Emptor. i like the irony, jma. but the fact is that the MSM is out to sell the same s(*t, as well: beer, cialis, Nautilus, Cadillac...... i am just the messenger.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2013 14:58:25 GMT -5
dj You are joking right. i rarely joke. particularly about this subject. it is all about marketing. identify a target market, and sell to it. if FOX didn't already dominate conservative demographics, MSNBC would go after it. but they see a big opening on the left, and they are there to fill it. what i am saying is that it has nothing whatsoever to do with bias. FOX would do it too, if there was a dime in it for them- and it really has to do with WHAT is being reported, rather than how it is being reported. if you compare how the same story is reported on different networks, i would challenge you to see any difference whatsoever.But I agree they would both sell out their mothers for a penny. well, that's a relief. So are you agreeing with me or not or vice versa. dj
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Post by djAdvocate on May 10, 2013 15:07:07 GMT -5
So are you agreeing with me or not or vice versa. dj i disagree that i am joking.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 10, 2013 15:32:17 GMT -5
The admission by the IRS that its workers targeted conservative Tea Party groups was so scandalous even some of the liberals at MSNBC felt compelled to condemn the tax agency. On Friday's edition of Andrea Mitchell Reports substitute host Chris Cillizza exclaimed he was "stunned" by the "dumbness" of the IRS. Cillizza's Washington Post colleague, Ruth Marcus called the revelations "outrageous." Marcus added: "The absolute worst thing that the IRS can do is make itself look political/ideological and to make it look like it's picking on some political groups and not others. That is terrible." (video after the jump) Read more: newsbusters.org/#ixzz2SvLK2oep
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 15, 2013 8:07:38 GMT -5
They did NOT cover the trial. They covered the initial story. They're in the news business, and your defense of the blackout of what can only be described as the abortion trial of the century- every bit as salacious and gruesome as the girlfriend murderer or any of the other ad naseum cases we've heard-- you have babies born alive to botched abortions being beheaded, babies feet in jars on the doctor's desk, toilets having to be lifted to unclog pipes full of dead babies, and your defense is-- well, they ran a story about something an "alleged victim" reported in 2011? Not gonna fly with me, dj. You can't defend the indefensible. They aren't a serious news organization because the story got a mention in 2011, but they failed to cover A SINGLE SECOND of the 56 day long trial. You spend too much time pointing fingers at sources you find objectionable, but you never address the substance of the issues in any serious fashion. I frequently cite the NYT and HuffPo - NPR, AP, and USA Today. I don't care about the source- what matters is the accuracy and importance of the information. There's no excuse for ABC to have missed the trial of this doctor for the entire 56 days it was going on.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 15, 2013 8:17:21 GMT -5
What story or stories do you suppose CNN led with at the top of its 9 a.m. and 10 a.m. hours? Benghazi? Nope. The IRS targeting of conservative groups- a federal offense that it recently admitted to? Sorry. Oh, I know, I know...maybe the DOJ seizure of AP phone records- secretly, without a warrant? Wrong again. And no, of course there was no mention of the sentencing deal cut by Abortion House of Horrors operator, convicted baby killer Kermit Gosnell. It was... Angelina Jolie www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/05/14/CNN-Opens-Hour-With-Jolie-Not-Libya-AP-IRSDon't bother attacking the source. I don't care. Either it's true, or it's not. Since it is, it doesn't matter where you first heard it.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 15, 2013 8:21:29 GMT -5
And abortion laws were violated, too. He was convicted of 3 murders, however he was also convicted of well over 200 additional crimes.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 15, 2013 9:32:05 GMT -5
Excuse me, but they were indeed murder trials. His defense may have claimed he aborted pregnancies, but he was on trial for murder- NOT abortion. In fact, he was convicted of murder. There is a difference, even if you try to obfuscate it using this case. He didn't seem to be able to tell the difference between abortion and murder- one possible reason is that there is no difference.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 15, 2013 12:17:48 GMT -5
Excuse me, but they were indeed murder trials. His defense may have claimed he aborted pregnancies, but he was on trial for murder- NOT abortion. In fact, he was convicted of murder. There is a difference, even if you try to obfuscate it using this case. He didn't seem to be able to tell the difference between abortion and murder- one possible reason is that there is no difference. there is absolutely a difference, which is why this monster is going to jail.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 15, 2013 15:39:19 GMT -5
Sorry, already cut you short on that one. Late term abortion is a very serious problem- and the only people engaged in obfuscation are those that are trying to dress up infanticide as "women's rights".
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Sorry, already cut you short on that one. Late term abortion is a very serious problem- and the only people engaged in obfuscation are those that are trying to dress up infanticide as "women's rights". question, Paul: are you using late term abortion as a wedge issue, or would you be OK if "we" cut abortion short at "viability".
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 17, 2013 8:12:39 GMT -5
Late term abortion is a very serious problem- and the only people engaged in obfuscation are those that are trying to dress up infanticide as "women's rights". question, Paul: are you using late term abortion as a wedge issue, or would you be OK if "we" cut abortion short at "viability". I've long said that while I'm 100% pro-life without compromise, I would support abortion limited to the first trimester with exceptions for a woman's physical health provided a disinterested, non-abortion provider establishes the health claim.
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Post by mmhmm on May 17, 2013 9:29:26 GMT -5
Paul, let's stick to the subject. The subject is NOT abortion. The subject is a murder trial of one Dr. Gosnell. We've done the subject of abortion to a fare-thee-well and we're NOT going to do it again. If you insist on using this thread as a bully pulpit for your opinions regarding abortion, I'll just delete your posts. Enough! - mmhmm, Administrator
That said, I'll put my "poster hat" back on. I've known about the Gosnell case since it broke two years ago. The "good Dr." has been found guilty of murders. That's good enough for me. I don't need to wade back through the bloody details. They add nothing to the grim reality of this horror. Frankly, I hoped they'd put this creep under the jail; however, there's no "news" here. The criminal has been sentenced to three consecutive life terms. That's then end of his reign of terror.
I don't pay much attention to Angelina Jolie. I do realize, however, she's made a decision that many women are making. It's a big decision and a very serious one which involves major prophylactic surgery. More women face this decision every day. Breast cancer is real. It's ongoing and it's killing people ... including big, bad men. Ms. Jolie has stepped forward with her solution to the problem faced by those in whose families there is the strong presence of breast cancer. It's news, and it's news that can save lives, bring forward information on treatments, choices to be made, and the ramifications of decisions made by those facing the problem. I'll take it over slogging back through the filth that was Gosnell.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 17, 2013 10:15:52 GMT -5
question, Paul: are you using late term abortion as a wedge issue, or would you be OK if "we" cut abortion short at "viability". I've long said that while I'm 100% pro-life without compromise, I would support abortion limited to the first trimester with exceptions for a woman's physical health provided a disinterested, non-abortion provider establishes the health claim. got it. so this third trimester stuff is just wallpaper for you. that is what i thought.
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Post by mmhmm on May 17, 2013 10:22:43 GMT -5
Let's get off the subject of abortion and back to discussing the Gosnell case as it applies to liberal bias in the media. Further discussion of the matter of abortion will be deleted, no matter who posts them.
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Let's get off the subject of abortion and back to discussing the Gosnell case as it applies to liberal bias in the media. Further discussion of the matter of abortion will be deleted, no matter who posts them. mmhmm, Administrator i think those two subjects are inextricable, but whatever.
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Post by mmhmm on May 17, 2013 10:33:02 GMT -5
No, dj, they're not inextricable. Gosnell was found guilty of three counts of murder and sentenced to three consecutive life terms in prison. Abortions were taking place before he hit the scene and they'll be taking place after he's long gone. The title of this thread tells us what its subject is to be. It's in the Current Events forum. Neither of those subjects is the place for a discussion of attitudes toward abortion. That subject has already been done to death. If that's what you want to talk about, there are plenty of threads that are centered on that subject. You're welcome to find one and post on it there. This will NOT become yet another one.
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Let's get off the subject of abortion and back to discussing the Gosnell case as it applies to liberal bias in the media. Further discussion of the matter of abortion will be deleted, no matter who posts them. mmhmm, Administrator I have been reading this thread with interest. Are you saying there is no liberal bias in the media as the thread is titled except for the discussion of Gosnell or any other limited subject ?
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Post by mmhmm on May 17, 2013 10:42:01 GMT -5
Where did I say anything even close to that, jma? I didn't. What I said was, this is not the place for a general discussion of abortion. There are plenty of threads on that subject already. As to whether there is "liberal bias" in the media, I (the poster) haven't commented on that subject. I believe there's bias, but I believe that bias to be greed-centric, not politics-centric. That's just my opinion and has little meaning overall and nothing to do with this forum and its purpose, which is to discuss current events, not to discuss personal opinions regarding abortion.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2013 10:47:34 GMT -5
Where did I say anything even close to that, jma? I didn't. What I said was, this is not the place for a general discussion of abortion. There are plenty of threads on that subject already. As to whether there is "liberal bias" in the media, I (the poster) haven't commented on that subject. I believe there's bias, but I believe that bias to be greed-centric, not politics-centric. That's just my opinion and has little meaning overall and nothing to do with this forum and its purpose, which is to discuss current events, not to discuss personal opinions regarding abortion. mmhmm, Administrator Guess we'll have to disagree on what a thread that's titled "Liberal bias in the media means". I don't have any strong feelings about it.
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