Fattier Milk = Slimmer Kids

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Do not doubt me, ever most of the time...

www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2013/03/19/174739752/whole-milk-or-skim-study-links-fattier-milk-to-slimmer-kids

Whole Milk Or Skim? Study Links Fattier Milk To Slimmer Kids
by ALLISON AUBREY
March 20, 201312:27 PM

And if you take fat out of milk, you've also reduced calories, which should help protect kids against becoming overweight. At least, that's been the assumption.

So here's where things gets confusing. A new study of preschool-aged children published in the Archives of Disease in Childhood, a sister publication of the British Medical Journal, finds that low-fat milk was associated with higher weight.

That's right, kids drinking low-fat milk tended to be heavier.

"We were quite surprised" by the findings, Dr. Mark DeBoer told me in an email. He and his co-author, Dr. Rebecca Scharf, both of the University of Virginia, had hypothesized just the opposite.

But they found the relationship between skim-milk drinkers and higher body weights held up across all racial/ethnic and socioeconomic groups. DeBoer says their data also show that low-fat milk did not restrain weight gain in preschoolers over time.

The study included about 10,700 children in the United States. Parents were interviewed about their child's beverage consumption on two occasions: once when the children were 2 years old and again at 4 years. Direct measurements of height and weight (to calculate body mass index) were taken by researchers.

Interestingly, this is not the first study to point in this direction.

In a 2005 study, researchers at Brigham and Women's Hospital reported that skim and 1 percent milk were associated with weight gain among 9-to-14-year-olds.

I knew this at the time, I am also aware of the danger of a low fat diets and the brain development of kids (and adults, too). We're coming up on almost 40 years of a government sponsored high carb, low fat fad diet and the results are in. We ought not be surprised they're wrong, but what amazes me is that so few people are aware of the fact we're fat because of nearly four decades of trying to be thin-- the government way.

I got lampooned for lamenting the fact that McDonald's is foisting skim milk on people, but alas- here you are. Right. Again.

[swamp]

My kids get whole milk.  One kid is fat and the other is skinny. 

[Deleted]

Human tit milk is the best.

[Wisconsin Beth]

Mine get 2%.  Because I refuse to drink anything else... 

[thyme4change]

Do not doubt me, ever most of the time...

My kids drink 2%.  They are both thin.  

[Shooby]

I only buy whole milk.

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Apr 25, 2013 10:37:53 GMT -5 Shooby said:

I only buy whole milk.

I thought you can ONLY buy whole milk?  Can you buy it not whole?  Can you bring your own container and take milk carton from the shelf, open it and pour half of it into your container and put milk carton back on the shelf and pay for your container at check out? in that case do they weigh it?  

[mmhmm]

This has absolutely nothing to do with politics, or the markets.  I'll move it to Everything Else.

mmhmm, P&M Moderator

[ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ]

Thanks,mmhmm - We get all the junk dumped into EE.



Isn't this more related to "healthy living?"

Can I move it there next? ?

[Shooby]

Apr 25, 2013 10:45:22 GMT -5 @robbase2012 said:

Apr 25, 2013 10:37:53 GMT -5 Shooby said:

I only buy whole milk.

I thought you can ONLY buy whole milk?  Can you buy it not whole?  Can you bring your own container and take milk carton from the shelf, open it and pour half of it into your container and put milk carton back on the shelf and pay for your container at check out? in that case do they weigh it?  

  I have no idea what you are talking about.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Low "bad cholesterol" is associated with heart disease. High cholesterol is associated with longevity. Amazing, isn't it?

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Apr 25, 2013 11:02:19 GMT -5 Shooby said:

Apr 25, 2013 10:45:22 GMT -5 @robbase2012 said:

I thought you can ONLY buy whole milk?  Can you buy it not whole?  Can you bring your own container and take milk carton from the shelf, open it and pour half of it into your container and put milk carton back on the shelf and pay for your container at check out? in that case do they weigh it?  

  I have no idea what you are talking about.

whole milk = the entire carton, you have to buy a WHOLE carton don't you?  you can't empty part of it out and then buy it

[Tennesseer]

Apr 25, 2013 11:08:55 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Low "bad cholesterol" is associated with heart disease. High cholesterol is associated with longevity. Amazing, isn't it?

Low bad cholesterol (LDL) is far better than high bad (LDL) cholesterol which is associated with heart disease.  High 'good' cholesterol (HDL) is associated with longevity.

[Deleted]

 Some people will milk a "tempest in a teapot" for every last bit of narcissistic drama. 

[kgb18]

I give DD organic whole milk. She is skinny and doesn't eat much. I've always felt like she needed the calories since she eats so little. DS will start drinking milk in a couple of months. He's much more solid than she ever was, so it will be interesting to see if he slims out when he starts walking.

DH and I drink regular skim milk.

[thyme4change]

I know I have lived through the "anti-dairy" drama before.  Everyone says that everything in my diet is what is making people fat, but I'm not fat.  Probably because I know what a real serving size is.  I'm still normal weight, and I have 2% milk every day.  Not 24 oz of milk, but half a cup on my cereal.  

[thyme4change]

I wonder if the correlation has some relationship to what I like to call the "diet coke syndrome."  

Diet coke isn't good for you in any way, shape or form.  But, people think because it is low calorie, it can become a free for all.  It always seems like the people drinking the diet coke are overweight.  Clearly, just dropping the calories in soda isn't working.  Is it these parents that want to help their kids out, so they give their kids skim milk under the same assumption that it must be better for their kids because it is lower in fat and lower in calories?  Meanwhile, the rest of their diets may be off?

[kgb18]

Is it these parents that want to help their kids out, so they give their kids skim milk under the same assumption that it must be better for their kids because it is lower in fat and lower in calories?  Meanwhile, the rest of their diets may be off?

I was wondering that, too. Did the study take into consideration if those kids who drink low-fat milk also drink juice, eat fatty foods, exercise, etc.? 

[thyme4change]

I know there is a study that rats that were given Nutrasweet gained weight faster than the rats that were given sugar.  But, I have now told you my entire knowledge of that study.  So helpful...

[Shooby]

  I just lump a lot of these studies in with the "Food Police".    It is another bandwagon to jump on if you want. I think the best approach in my opinion is eating a variety of real, natural food.  And, allowing yourself to enjoy other stuff in moderation.

[thyme4change]

www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0195666312004138

[Deleted]

Eat Real Food.

its pretty simple actually... ?

i don't drink milk, but if you are going to, why mess with it beforehand? 

[Deleted]

Apr 26, 2013 10:44:43 GMT -5 oped said:

Eat Real Food.

its pretty simple actually... ?

i don't drink milk, but if you are going to, why mess with it beforehand? 

You mean we should all just pucker up to the soft dangly parts of a cow in order to get our milk?   And god forbid you try it on a bull...

[thyme4change]

Whole, low fat and skim milk are all "messed with" for most people.  

[Deleted]

I don't drink milk.  It makes me gag.  I do put a little 2% in my coffee and a little on my cereal (I don't drink it out of the bowl though).  For my kids I buy 2%. 

[chapeau]

Apr 26, 2013 10:21:41 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

I wonder if the correlation has some relationship to what I like to call the "diet coke syndrome."  

Diet coke isn't good for you in any way, shape or form.  But, people think because it is low calorie, it can become a free for all.  It always seems like the people drinking the diet coke are overweight.  Clearly, just dropping the calories in soda isn't working.  Is it these parents that want to help their kids out, so they give their kids skim milk under the same assumption that it must be better for their kids because it is lower in fat and lower in calories?  Meanwhile, the rest of their diets may be off?

I wonder if it has to do with the fat content itself. Fat in food is what makes you feel full, and helps food digest more slowly, keeping you feeling full longer. People who feel full don't snack (probably), so they aren't eating as many calories. If a couple of glasses of whole milk a day keep them from eating a snack every couple of hours, that probably means they're saving some calories there.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Apr 25, 2013 11:24:21 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Apr 25, 2013 11:08:55 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Low "bad cholesterol" is associated with heart disease. High cholesterol is associated with longevity. Amazing, isn't it?

Low bad cholesterol (LDL) is far better than high bad (LDL) cholesterol which is associated with heart disease.  High 'good' cholesterol (HDL) is associated with longevity.

Actually, you paid no attention to the content at all.  There's actually no scientific link between cholesterol and heart disease at all.  None.  It's like global warming.  The whole lipid hypothesis is a concoction, a fabrication, a total fraud.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Apr 26, 2013 12:41:38 GMT -5 chapeau said:

Apr 26, 2013 10:21:41 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

I wonder if the correlation has some relationship to what I like to call the "diet coke syndrome."  

Diet coke isn't good for you in any way, shape or form.  But, people think because it is low calorie, it can become a free for all.  It always seems like the people drinking the diet coke are overweight.  Clearly, just dropping the calories in soda isn't working.  Is it these parents that want to help their kids out, so they give their kids skim milk under the same assumption that it must be better for their kids because it is lower in fat and lower in calories?  Meanwhile, the rest of their diets may be off?

I wonder if it has to do with the fat content itself. Fat in food is what makes you feel full, and helps food digest more slowly, keeping you feeling full longer. People who feel full don't snack (probably), so they aren't eating as many calories. If a couple of glasses of whole milk a day keep them from eating a snack every couple of hours, that probably means they're saving some calories there.

That's actually precisely what it is.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

In other words, there's actually ZERO link between a diet high in saturated fat and heart disease. And there's NO link between high cholesterol and atherosclerosis. None.

[Tennesseer]

Apr 26, 2013 14:37:58 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Apr 25, 2013 11:24:21 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Low bad cholesterol (LDL) is far better than high bad (LDL) cholesterol which is associated with heart disease.  High 'good' cholesterol (HDL) is associated with longevity.

Actually, you paid no attention to the content at all.  There's actually no scientific link between cholesterol and heart disease at all.  None.  It's like global warming.  The whole lipid hypothesis is a concoction, a fabrication, a total fraud.

LOL Paul. I stopped watching your videos a long time ago as they are mostly bogus nonsense. But feel free to load up on those fatty ribs and other foods. I doubt you will see 9/19/2025.