How did our country's most pressing problem

[ugonow]

go from the economy to abortion so fast?

[Loopdilou]

If you ask some of the crazies it's because we've murdered our tax base. Duh. Get with the right wing program!

[Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ]

Link? Article?

I am still left wondering how eroding the tax base(ie: middle class) is helping the country.
I am still not getting how growing the poverty class helps the US?

[workpublic]

I am still not getting how growing the poverty class helps the US?

me either. maybe it's the diversity thing? ;D

[ugonow]

There has been a flurry of bills and proposals regarding abortion,lately, savoir. Not much discussion going on about getting the UE down,though.Must be an election comming up.

[Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ]

There has been a flurry of bills and proposals regarding abortion,lately, savoir. Not much discussion going on about getting the UE down,though.Must be an election comming up.

Oh, I was unaware. I am focused on much more pressing and important issues.

[Gardening Grandma]

go from the economy to abortion so fast?

Um, there was this election a few months ago.....

[Loopdilou]

Read: Male. And judging from his tagline: sexist.

[ugonow]

Um, there was this election a few months ago.....


So all that talk about the economy being the number one issue was just election talk,you mean?

[Gardening Grandma]

So all that talk about the economy being the number one issue was just election talk,you mean?

Actions do speak louder than words....

[Deleted]

The government needs to GET OUT OF THE BEDROOM & get back to (if they ever have) running the country wisely. Moral issues should between people, not lawmakers. It's like they can't even do their jobs correctly so they dink around on other stuff.

[ed1066]

Left-wing totalitarian governments (like China, North Korea, Venezuela, Cuba, etc.) depend on three characteristics among their population to enable them to exert control:

1. A population in debt or mired in unending poverty, and thus dependent on the central government for everything (it seems we're well along on that path).
2. A population unarmed (the long-standing dream of the left wing).
3. A population uneducated (in the past, they have achieved this by imprisoning or murdering educated citizens. The current plan in the US seems to be preventing people from getting educated in the first place through the neglect and subsequent decline of the public school system).

How are we doing so far?

[Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ]

The government needs to GET OUT OF THE BEDROOM & get back to (if they ever have) running the country wisely. Moral issues should between people, not lawmakers. It's like they can't even do their jobs correctly so they dink around on other stuff.

So, when will prostitution become legalized?

[Gardening Grandma]

The government needs to GET OUT OF THE BEDROOM & get back to (if they ever have) running the country wisely. Moral issues should between people, not lawmakers. It's like they can't even do their jobs correctly so they dink around on other stuff.

I quite agree. However, the newly elected House members clearly have other priorities.

[ugonow]

I am not pro abortion,but am a realist. Making abortions illegal will not stop unprotected sex or abortions. It will just make them more dangerous. A cottage abortion industry is not a good way to stimulate the economy.

[Gardening Grandma]

I am not pro abortion,but am a realist. Making abortions illegal will not stop unprotected sex or abortions. It will just make them more dangerous. A cottage abortion industry is not a good way to stimulate the economy.

I completely concur. However, (again) the majority elected to the House members who ignore that very rational attitude and prefer to mandate their version of morality.

[Gardening Grandma]

As I posted on another thread, the House GOP is now pushing a bill that would deny tax credits to companies offering health plans that cover abortions and prevent individual taxpayers from claiming a tax deduction for their health premium if their private plan covers abortions. Note: "private plan"....

They got elected on an economic agenda, but how many of their proposals have been about the economy?

[Cookies Galore]

Feb 9, 2011 12:19:32 GMT -5 Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ said:

The government needs to GET OUT OF THE BEDROOM & get back to (if they ever have) running the country wisely. Moral issues should between people, not lawmakers. It's like they can't even do their jobs correctly so they dink around on other stuff.

So, when will prostitution become legalized?

Exactly!

[Loopdilou]

Feb 9, 2011 14:58:12 GMT -5 Cookies Galore said:

Feb 9, 2011 12:19:32 GMT -5 Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ said:

The government needs to GET OUT OF THE BEDROOM & get back to (if they ever have) running the country wisely. Moral issues should between people, not lawmakers. It's like they can't even do their jobs correctly so they dink around on other stuff.

So, when will prostitution become legalized?

Exactly!

That's what I'm talking about! Regulating it *might* just work better than our current system.

[swamp]

Feb 9, 2011 12:19:32 GMT -5 Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ said:

The government needs to GET OUT OF THE BEDROOM & get back to (if they ever have) running the country wisely. Moral issues should between people, not lawmakers. It's like they can't even do their jobs correctly so they dink around on other stuff.

So, when will prostitution become legalized?

Frankly, I don't care who fucks who and for what price, as long as they're all consenting adults.

[Deleted]

One issue voters screw things up. Abortion, gay, women, war, etc-- all diversions...........IMO.

[ed1066]

Frankly, I don't care who fucks who and for what price, as long as they're all consenting adults.

"Consent" is a very slippery word...

[Opti]

Feb 9, 2011 15:14:07 GMT -5 @krickitt said:

One issue voters screw things up. Abortion, gay, women, war, etc-- all diversions...........IMO.

It is a diversion. The old bread and circuses when you can't or are unwilling to fix the problems people care about.

[swamp]

Feb 9, 2011 15:15:27 GMT -5 @ed1066 said:

Frankly, I don't care who fucks who and for what price, as long as they're all consenting adults.

"Consent" is a very slippery word...

No means no, Ed. And if she's legally underage or passed out that means no too.

[Deleted]

Nice to meet you, optimist.

[rockon]

The Republicans like the Democrats from the last few years get all excited about pleasing certain segments of their base and these bills dealing with insurance deductions most likely involve some of the same stuff. As we found out last November the voters can throw them out if they appear to be making political hay instead of doing the people's business which right now should be making spending cuts the priority. On the other hand independent voters seem to also be quite turned off by the opposition misrepresenting things. In this case the Republicans are clearly trying to keep our tax money from being used to fund abortions. So starting threads stating that Republicans are trying to slip through a tax increase is simply not the truth in my personal independent opinion. I have issues with both major parties but sometimes have to make choices that include people from these parties and can say misrepresentation will only hurt your cause.

[Gardening Grandma]

In this case the Republicans are clearly trying to keep our tax money from being used to fund abortions. So starting threads stating that Republicans are trying to slip through a tax increase is simply not the truth in my personal independent opinion.

I agree with your first statement. But, the result of what they are trying to do clearly raises taxes - on both insurance companies AND individuals. They want to reduce taxes - but they want to raise them - for people (and companies) who don't follow their particular ideology.

And - this is not the platform they ran on and were voted into office on.

[fairlycrazy23]

The GOP need to drop this, making abortion front and center is the quickest way to lose independents.
My solution to the entire issue is to adopt the fair tax, then government no longer has the tool of taxation to try and control behavior.

[Gardening Grandma]

"The GOP need to drop this, making abortion front and center is the quickest way to lose independents."

They can't help themselves. And it will probably cost them the 2012 election. Unless the leadership reins them in.