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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 19:43:33 GMT -5
That's different, funsnowbird.
I believe in God. I believe very strongly, to the point that it feels like I know it. But I can't prove it. Which means that what I have is faith, not facts.
There is nothing to mock about faith. Delusion, however, is hilarious.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 19:43:42 GMT -5
Hey, I could care less what he or she does but when it affects innocents, then I do. I find some gay people to be very selfish and self centered because its all about them and their rights. To hell with anyone else or their rights. My mom always said if you're comfortable with your sexuality, you don't need to flaunt it or shout it from the roof tops. Those that do, aren't really comfortable and wish to prove something. Are you this upset and damning of heterosexual PDA?
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Feb 13, 2013 19:44:52 GMT -5
It's twice, not nine times. The term appears in the expression 'willingness to believe' both times. And yes, a willingness to believe is generally a prerequisite for any proof that takes a minor lifetime to complete. ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/nerdy.png)
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Post by swamp on Feb 13, 2013 19:45:16 GMT -5
I think you have to die to know for sure of there's a God. Sorry. I have a my fate, you guys can mock me all you want. I will meets you in haven, if you wishes. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/smiley.png) WTF? Nobody is mocking you for faith. We're mocking the statement that God can be proven. He can't. That's why it's called faith.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 19:46:39 GMT -5
It's twice, not nine times. The term appears in the expression 'willingness to believe' both times. And yes, a willingness to believe is generally a prerequisite for any proof that takes a minor lifetime to complete. ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/nerdy.png) So, you agree we have to complete a lifetime to know.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 19:48:24 GMT -5
That's different, funsnowbird. I believe in God. I believe very strongly, to the point that it feels like I know it. But I can't prove it. Which means that what I have is faith, not facts. There is nothing to mock about faith. Delusion, however, is hilarious. It's all about what's your interpretations of God, is there. sarah. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/smiley.png) I don't think, there is much differences in one side push the other side to see the light. It's all of about personal interpretations. Is there?
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 13, 2013 19:48:27 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Virgil just implied I'm too stupid to pick up on some of the subtle messages in children's programming. I get it. I see it. I don't see Big Gay Conspiracy and Godless Evil lurking everywhere. Neither do I, Swamp. I'm pretty sure you've never been accused of being stupid! There are those of us here who are pretty damned intellectually competent. In fact, I'd venture to say most of us are. I've yet to find the poster who holds the "smartest poster on the board" crown. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/wink.png)
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 13, 2013 19:48:31 GMT -5
I wouldn't embarrass my kids or family by making a mockery of a supposed committed relationship by PDA in front of them or in places where isn't appropriate. For sure, if my lifestyle was not the norm for the area, I would be even more circumspect.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 19:50:26 GMT -5
King of the lab!
I called it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 19:51:32 GMT -5
So, you agree we have to complete a lifetime to know. Maybe Virgil has annointed himself "the chosen one" or he's the second coming of Christ... ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/idunno.gif) Why, not. We are all ego driven animal.
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Post by swamp on Feb 13, 2013 19:52:32 GMT -5
Im pretty sure he's anointed himself the "Smartest Poster on the Board" and the rest of us mental midgets should be humbled by his intellectual prowess, superior logic, critical thinking skills, and ability to see Big Bad Gay everywhere.
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Post by chiver78 on Feb 13, 2013 19:53:16 GMT -5
nobody is going to debate gravity, luv. you drop something, it falls. debate on that topic ended a couple centuries ago. Please, Don't call me , lov. I will respect you as much as you do. And by the way, who's talking about what. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/wink.png) you must be new here, I call anyone that's not calling me names "luv" from time to time. it's nothing personal, it's just my way. if you're offended by that, I do apologize and will try to remember not to address you other than by your screen name. as far as who's talking about what, I was talking about gravity when you said it would be debated later on after we're all dead. if you'd care to discuss that, I'll be happy to participate further.
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Post by swamp on Feb 13, 2013 19:55:29 GMT -5
Don't mock the Big Bad Gay! They're actively recruiting on Nickelodeon!!! How else do you explain Yo Gabba Gabba?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 19:57:18 GMT -5
I like his mind, I like to challenge his mind. when situation's is warrant. But I agrees most of the times with what he is saying. That's the problem. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/wink.png)
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Feb 13, 2013 19:57:24 GMT -5
It's twice, not nine times. The term appears in the expression 'willingness to believe' both times. And yes, a willingness to believe is generally a prerequisite for any proof that takes a minor lifetime to complete. ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/nerdy.png) So, you agree we have to complete a lifetime to know. To complete the proof takes a long time, yes. Dying isn't always a requirement. For example, there have been countless men and women who--for the right reasons--were as assured of God's existence during their earthly sojourn as they will be when they meet Him face-to-face. And before I'm bombarded with replies: yes, I acknowledge the existence of blind faith, fanaticism, and delusion, and no, I don't consider those to be 'the right reasons'.
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Post by chiver78 on Feb 13, 2013 19:57:29 GMT -5
really? now this I need to hear. if you'd care to explain this in further detail, I would be happy to start a thread over on the religious discussion board for you to do so. just say the word. My explanation would start with a list of literature that I would expect you to read in full before we proceeded with the discussion. If you have no personal willingness to believe that God exists, reading most of it would be like chewing glass. And more to the point, if you have no personal willingness to believe that God exists, the subsequent discussion in the thread would deadlock very quickly. As I say, the process requires a great deal of intellectual humility. That said, if you're still interested and the willingness is there, create the thread and I'll post the literature sometime later this week when I'm able to compile it. Virgil, if nothing else, I would hope that you'd recognize that regardless of my own beliefs, I am open to learning about others' viewpoints and where they came from. I may not participate much, because I do not subscribe to the teachings of the book that you hold highest, but I'm happy to read your links and learn more about why you hold the opinions you do. I don't happen to agree with most of your opinions, and don't at all think I'll be persuaded by your links, but I'll still read them if you compile. the thread will be created in a little bit.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 19:57:45 GMT -5
We are actually way past spongebob. Then there was that iCarly phase ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/sick.png) ... Now we mostly like the same stuff, but thankfully there is still Modern Family to help make them gay...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 19:59:21 GMT -5
Please, Don't call me , lov. I will respect you as much as you do. And by the way, who's talking about what. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/wink.png) you must be new here, I call anyone that's not calling me names "luv" from time to time. it's nothing personal, it's just my way. if you're offended by that, I do apologize and will try to remember not to address you other than by your screen name. I am new, by the way. Thanks for your apologize. I knows better next time. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/smiley.png)
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Post by chiver78 on Feb 13, 2013 20:00:03 GMT -5
Hey, I could care less what he or she does but when it affects innocents, then I do. I find some gay people to be very selfish and self centered because its all about them and their rights. To hell with anyone else or their rights. My mom always said if you're comfortable with your sexuality, you don't need to flaunt it or shout it from the roof tops. Those that do, aren't really comfortable and wish to prove something. I would counter that when people are fighting for equal rights to everyone else, that it is entirely their business to do so. "flaunting" would be like your students' dad and his PDAs that were distasteful for his choice in where he displayed them, rather than with whom he participated.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Feb 13, 2013 20:02:41 GMT -5
Don't mock the Big Bad Gay! They're actively recruiting on Nickelodeon!!! Well... As usual, the argument has gone nowhere and I seem to have upset a lot of people. (I blame Ms. Swamp who dragged me into this back on pages 9-10.) Let me depart with the cautionary note: sometimes critical thinking tells us things we'd rather not hear, or reveals to us that a world we thought was simple is in fact far more complicated than we dare imagine. I bid thee farewell. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/cool.png) Also, while I have an audience: be sure to use the new icons when creating new threads. Those new features won't use themselves. ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/thumbsup.png)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 20:04:34 GMT -5
Let me depart with the cautionary note: sometimes critical thinking tells us things we'd rather not hear, or reveals to us that a world we thought was simple is in fact far more complicated than we dare image.
Good night, Virgil. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/smiley.png)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 20:04:51 GMT -5
Critical thinking requires going in with an open mind, not going into it looking for something specific you want to find...
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Post by swamp on Feb 13, 2013 20:05:51 GMT -5
Virgil you'd be wise to heed your own advice about critical thinking.
And man up and take responsibility for posting on the thread. I didn't make you do anything.
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Post by chiver78 on Feb 13, 2013 20:21:00 GMT -5
Critical thinking requires going in with an open mind, not going into it looking for something specific you want to find... ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/yeahthat.gif) but I fear that this message will be most lost on those that will benefit most from hearing it.
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Post by swamp on Feb 13, 2013 20:24:24 GMT -5
Once again we're not blindly buying his BS so he takes his ball and goes home. Typical. Why is it that someone who decries to death of logic and critical thinking gets all bent when someone considers an issue and comes to a difference conclusion?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 20:25:16 GMT -5
I have a my fate, you guys can mock me all you want. I will meets you in haven, if you wishes. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/smiley.png) WTF? Nobody is mocking you for faith. We're mocking the statement that God can be proven. He can't. That's why it's called faith. You wants to go there. What's most spiritual amongst us of all.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 20:26:01 GMT -5
Once again we're not blindly buying his BS so he takes his ball and goes home. Typical. Sorry to say, I disagree.
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Post by swamp on Feb 13, 2013 20:26:43 GMT -5
WTF? Nobody is mocking you for faith. We're mocking the statement that God can be proven. He can't. That's why it's called faith. You wants to go there. What's most spiritual amongst us of all. I really have no idea what you are talking about.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 20:32:58 GMT -5
You wants to go there. What's most spiritual amongst us of all. I really have no idea what you are talking about. That's the when critical thinking's coming from, for me anyway. When you can able to see things as clearly without the your processions, without the prior judgement.
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Post by cereb on Feb 13, 2013 20:37:04 GMT -5
"It's not a matter of simply watching it. It's a matter of watching with a mind to look for very specific and often incredibly subtle things. Frankly, most of us have become so accustomed to them that we can't discern them all even when we devote the whole of our concentration to it."
If you look at anything long enough, hard enough, and with an expectation you will see some hidden meaning, you will find subtle messages in your cornflakes.
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