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[rovo]

The tone of this board has degenerated into nothing more than name calling and this is unacceptable.

This board is for the purpose of discussing the Markets and is not to be used as a compilation of news items without discussion of said news items.

If you have thoughts on the markets, any markets, feel free to post them. If they are "opinions" then state as such. If they are posted as "fact" then back it up with something substantial to support the fact.

This message should be considered a final warning to those of you resorting to name calling and personal attacks. From this point forward any personal attacks will be dealt with quickly, harshly, and without further warning from a Moderator.

rovo -- Moderator

[kman]

Samurai rovo.....nice!!!

[midwesterner (banned)]

[midwesterner (banned)]

Feb 7, 2011 22:31:25 GMT -5 @franktheimpaler said:

I did not see any dicks over here...funny if i saw a dick...I would recognize one...pretty quickly!

But when you clean up a mess you gotta start somwhere....Mid lets start over what do you say?

FTI, I have no respect for you and your greedy pumping just to make a buck and selling a used car to people. People work hard and harder these day just to get by. Many have lost everything, those that have some want to put there money where it's safe. You are hyping a market based on all false fundamentals, inflationary factors, and I believe that you are smart enough to know this, yet sell it like a slick car salesman.

You get paid to pump in one way shape or form. Start over? After all your whining and complaining to get your way now you want to play nice? I say buzz off to all your Rat pack crew. You poke fun behind the scenes, little comments about me. You never say ease off MID to Q-TIP or any other ones causing trouble. You sit back and have a laugh while your moderator doesn't do his job.

FTI, I can't respect you for what you do. I think if it weren't for keeping a cleaner image so you can sell your used cars you'd probably be 10 times worse and more like Q-TIP. I think it's an act. Your what they call a group A pumper, slick and sly used car salesman.

I hope people see through this pumper BS and explore both sides of what's going on, cause I hate to see anyone else get burned in this phony market just like many did in housing. You fit the shoe of that same exact mortgage broker that sold a overpriced home to a sucker and laughed all the way to the bank. That's they type of guy I peg you as.

[rovo]

I can see this isn't going to be as easy as I thought it would be. Some learn fast, some learn slow, and some just don't want to learn at all.

Mid, Take 24.

[Sammy]

Now all the kettles and stoves have gone and annoyed Rovo.

[mikec]

ROVO
It is about time.. The folks here who have been waiting for the world to end have notched up the retoric DAILY as the markets ramp up ans the economy slowly crawls out of a gutter...
It is like they can't take the fact that just maybe the world is not going to end...
They seem to think
The more they post
The more they attack
The more name they call
They will make happen want does not seem to want to happen....

Of course we (me too) some time get caught up in it and call names back....
For that I am truely sorry.....

I think FTI has the right aproach
Ignore their pumped up threads
Ignore them when they come to our threads to agaitate
Just ignore them.....

[usaone]

Group A Pumper?

[jarhead1976]

Rovo, I have watched and learned from both sides. IMO , I think both side's have thrown their share of insults. Without a free expression of Ideas, point vs counterpoint , your allowing one side to control the direction of the debate. I agree personal attacks and foul language accomplish nothing. They come from both side's. You can not possibly think that banning decoy and mid is fair and without bias. Both side's are right in some aspects while also being wrong in others. Promoting further Polarization will be the result. Respectfully , jarhead1976

[mikec]

Jarhead. I agree with most of what you say.. I just think those 2 have gotten COMPLETLY out of hand..... Where did those 9000 hits come from OVERNIGHT!!! When they are the only 2 posting??
Then of course they come to the other competing thread and start to rub it in " we have more posts than you nah nah nah"
It has gotten out of hand... The world is not ending....
People continue to make $$$$ in the stock market.....
They can't fathom that concept or take the fact that again they are missing the boat...

[comokate]

Feb 8, 2011 9:18:14 GMT -5 @jarhead1976 said:

Rovo, I have watched and learned from both sides. IMO , I think both side's have thrown their share of insults. Without a free expression of Ideas, point vs counterpoint , your allowing one side to control the direction of the debate. I agree personal attacks and foul language accomplish nothing. They come from both side's. You can not possibly think that banning decoy and mid is fair and without bias. Both side's are right in some aspects while also being wrong in others. Promoting further Polarization will be the result. Respectfully , jarhead1976

I totally agree. In fact it's been out of hand so long I took a self-imposed break from the board. The directive is made, and rightfully so, that this forum is to be about "Market Talk" related issues...so why in the world was the Yoga thread allowed to go on for weeks? Why in the world is the "Break Room" here ? The "Yoga" thread was allowed to go on for quite some time. What in the world does the "Break Room" have to do with markets? Most of the messages contained there should be PM's back and forth, the remainder are pot shots at other posters.
Are the ten threads in a row by *anyone* a real exchange of ideas? Are the ideas in the bold caps and exclamation marks ever fleshed out in the actual posts? Or is it more self promotion?
You don't appear to like two posters in particular here, but you seem to have allowed much worse behavior from "the boys". the "F" bomb on me and was *never* banned for it (it was stated I "really F***** up" and had messed with the "wrong boys". It was over *nothing* )My occupation was also compared my job to lap dancing...think anyone would say something like that to me in person? ( I'll tell you one thing, if they did, they would not have the opportunity to do it twice) Think "the boys" would allow someone to talk that way to their wives, daughters, sisters? Not likely.There is a very uneven hand in the disciplinary actions here.
You allowed these posts:
notmsnmoney.proboards.com/index.c....ead=2234&page=1

notmsnmoney.proboards.com/index.c....ead=2234&page=1

notmsnmoney.proboards.com/index.c....hread=99&page=1

notmsnmoney.proboards.com/index.c....ead=1918&page=1

notmsnmoney.proboards.com/index.c....read=114&page=1

An emotional reaction is to be expected for those on the receiving end. Yet these posters are seldom, if ever, banned.
I applaud your locking some of the most egregious threads. However, it would be nice to see punitive actions be dispensed to more than two posters when so many more are involved in the same behavior that is being admonished.


edit 8:56 central time. the above links no longer work as someone(s) deleted their posts which showed personal attacks against one other member of this forum

[jarhead1976]

Hopefully cooler heads will prevail. To think that everyone is completely into gold or stocks is contrary to any sound investment strategy. Our country and world are at a crossroads. Gold and money compliment each other. Maybe there in lies the problem. Both are manipulated to benefit the other.

[comokate]

Feb 8, 2011 12:02:20 GMT -5 @jarhead1976 said:

Hopefully cooler heads will prevail. To think that everyone is completely into gold or stocks is contrary to any sound investment strategy. Our country and world are at a crossroads. Cold and money compliment each other. Maybe there in lies the problem. Both manipulated to benefit the other.

I agree. And the polarization and lack of compromise in this country isn't helping anything either. Diversity in thought, religion, ethnicity, *and* investment choices is what makes a country, people and environment strong.

[Deleted]

Feb 8, 2011 11:13:52 GMT -5 @mikec said:

Where did those 9000 hits come from OVERNIGHT!!! When they are the only 2 posting??

Holy Moly... don't tell me you are getting wrapped up in thread hits, too..


Virgil has already shown that the board is pretty easily manipulated via some code. Why anyone cares about it is beyond me.

[maui1]

if people don't talk about the market turning south, who will be the balance needed in any market?

for every buy order there needs to be a sell order......that is the market

some don't want to hear negative.......all they want to hear is that everything will be great.

well everything is not great!

in fact, if you take the time to look below the surface, you will see that everything is in fact, '$hit', but this $hit is being dressed to look like the prom queen, all dressed up in dollar bills, like a two bit stripper on parade.

[sangria]

Well, anyway, Decoy doesn't post in all caps anymore.

[usaone]

Feb 8, 2011 14:46:24 GMT -5 @franktheimpaler said:

Ah yes... and then there are those who are so committed to stirring the pot that they never miss an opportunity to tell others what they should be saying, doing and how to behave...and thats why other people act out in response.

With the right to self expression comes BOLD and exclamation points...along with hypocracy...

yes for someone to complain that their profession was held up to ridicule and then accuse me without having the balls to say my name (oh thats right she doesn't have any balls) and then go on to say I self promote.... is the height of a double standard and is the reason that others look to others in regards to THEIR behavior first without admitting they already have THEIR own built in biases that THEY telegraph and again cause people to respond and act out...as I am doing now.

So let me be clear you don't like me and I don't like you so do us all a favor and opt out when it come to me and the "boys"....another condescending reference and a distinct gender bias meant to incite and fight.

Additionally I have never seen a single post on any thread here or at MSN where someone was thanking Kate for her investment acumen or tip or advise that she shared and they were truly thankful for (please post them as you do all the other examples of other peoples posts) where as I have dozens of examples and I would ask that those others share with us here (as I have asked them not to share that information to prevent self promotion)....how many books, articles and other things I have done in order to help them with no expectation of renumeration

The Rat Pack is about #1 having fun #2 sharing information and doing it unencumbered.

As far as the markets going up and own...thats what they do...however you forget (or weren't around when we had to endure the end of the world bullshit for 2 years) that now the markets are moving against your wishes and now the shoe is on the foot and you can't handle it...so now we are the problem?...you folks are real short in the memory department.

Agreed!!!!!

People need to lighten up a little. Have a helping of fun with your Market Talk. ;D

[mikec]

But Frank.... I really could use a good used car.........LOL

[jarhead1976]

Frank , I have not tried to stir anything up! I started on MT 1.0 in 2008. I learned much from the both of you! I am grateful, to all that contribute positive information that makes sense. Personally being invested in the Markets and Gold = Good day today for both.

[jarhead1976]

Correct Sir! I am hear to learn and post an opinion once in a while. I think you both offer much! To the not so market suave as myself. Just looking to remain on the up side of all of it. Have learned more in the last 3 years about gold ,money and investing than I ever thought possible. The more you know the further you go... My respects

[vl]

Seeing as no one knows for sure whether we will break through the ceiling or fall through the floor before reaching a point where the majority consider things-- stable... I'd prefer that we focus on topics rather than angst.

To me, everyday the markets rise without job creation is terrorism. That said, without the capacity to buy and sell commodities or stocks or anything else, we'd be just another 3rd World nation. I enjoy reading up on the current activity in the hopes that one day common sense returns to America and we can pick up where we lost it.

Find the middle and stake your hand to it. Stretch as far as you can in your preferred direction but don't let go. That's about as far as opinions should reach here. We're not a decision-making forum, we're just people who post here for the entertainment value and friendship. Don't forget it.

[usaone]

V_L In every recovery the stock market rises and then you have the job creation.

[comokate]

Feb 8, 2011 14:46:24 GMT -5 @franktheimpaler said:

Ah yes... and then there are those who are so committed to stirring the pot that they never miss an opportunity to tell others what they should be saying, doing and how to behave...and thats why other people act out in response.

With the right to self expression comes BOLD and exclamation points...along with hypocracy...

yes for someone to complain that their profession was held up to ridicule and then accuse me without having the balls to say my name (oh thats right she doesn't have any balls) and then go on to say I self promote.... is the height of a double standard and is the reason that others look to others in regards to THEIR behavior first without admitting they already have THEIR own built in biases that THEY telegraph and again cause people to respond and act out...as I am doing now.

So let me be clear you don't like me and I don't like you so do us all a favor and opt out when it come to me and the "boys"....another condescending reference and a distinct gender bias meant to incite and fight.

Additionally I have never seen a single post on any thread here or at MSN where someone was thanking Kate for her investment acumen or tip or advise that she shared and they were truly thankful for (please post them as you do all the other examples of other peoples posts) where as I have dozens of examples and I would ask that those others share with us here (as I have asked them not to share that information to prevent self promotion)....how many books, articles and other things I have done in order to help them with no expectation of renumeration

The Rat Pack is about #1 having fun #2 sharing information and doing it unencumbered.

As far as the markets going up and own...thats what they do...however you forget (or weren't around when we had to endure the end of the world bullshit for 2 years) that now the markets are moving against your wishes and now the shoe is on the foot and you can't handle it...so now we are the problem?...you folks are real short in the memory department.

I never said I did not like you, Frank, but thank you for making your feelings about me known. I'll keep that in mind. I don't like some of the behavior on this forum, but I do make the distinction between a behavior and a person. I have no personal opinion about you because I have never met you, but I do have an opinion about your behavior expressed in written form here. Those are distinctly different entities.
I was on the "old board" for years. I was not always a regular poster until the latter half of that time, but I did read it on a regular basis. There was a diversity of opinion expressed on the old board,which I always enjoyed, and sometimes even learned a thing or two from. What I don't enjoy is seeing a person (s) routinely mocked, bullied, called names, or denigrated in any other way by not only one poster, but by an entire group of them combined.
This board, this forum, and this thread belongs to none of us. All are welcome here as long as they abide by the COC rules. That means we are free to agree or disagree, as long as we are not overly disagreeable in doing so.
My using the expression "boys" was not meant to imply that there is anything wrong with "boys" ( though I do find it odd you take issue with the term "boys" but are ok with being compared to a, what many feel is loathsome, rodent. To each their own. ).
The entire female staff of my office is over 40 years of age and we are referred to as "the girls". None of us "girls" take offense to that. In fact, us "girls" like "boys", so much that some of us "girl" specimens have even given birth to additional "boy" specimens. Boys and girls make the world go 'round. Those who are confused as to how that happens are given, as is my understanding, an additional resource, and are free to question, discuss, or use visual aids if necessary, in the Adult Forum.
With blogs, Vlogs, Podcasts, message boards, etc. there is an entire arsenal of social media available to express one's self.That is both the beauty and the folly of the internet. The beauty is the egalitarian atmosphere of the net where ideas can be freely exchanged for the entire world to share. The folly is there are those who feel it necessary to attack a person(s) instead of the idea(s) they disagree with. Instead of getting their counterpoint across, readers are left with an uncomfortable assessment of a person instead of their idea.
I've never expected to be thanked for my personal opinions expressed on a free message board, though I have been thanked in private, by pm's, by several members who's identity surprised me. I also didn't expect to be personally attacked when people disagree with my opinions.
I do get thanked in person, in letters and by professional organizations for the work I do, both paid and unpaid, in clinical settings. That does feel very rewarding. I enjoy taking away people's pain, helping them to heal, and to ultimately become healthier than when I first met them. It's a mindset I tend to carry over in other areas of life.
When it comes to the matter of whether or not I am in possession of testicular material, being a female, naturally my "parts" are different ( and again, for any who continue to be confused with gender parts, there is an entire Adult Forum at your disposal). If you are referring to character that is an entirely different topic which has nothing to do with gender. Life has given me many hoops of fire to walk through over the years, and to paraphrase Nietzsche; "That which does not kill us makes us stronger". I can assure you, Frank, I am quite strong in mind, character and spirit.

edited for spelling-

[rovo]

Hopefully everyone has fully vented their feelings and we can get on with the message board.

I strongly suggest everyone re-read the first post in this thread.

[Virgil Showlion]

"No personal attacks" was one of the rules not imported from the old boards.

It's encouraging to see the enthusiasm for raising the standard, but 40% of the respondents thus far to this thread should consider that their more passionate counterarguments involve an "attack" or two.

I'd be curious to find out who considers Decoy409 and midwesterner to be the problem.

[sangria]

Mid and Decoy are very important to these boards.

We must have opposing viewpoints. I appreciate anyone who assists me in thinking about something I didn't think about before.

Remember, on the old boards our opposing viewpoint was often provided by Just Enter Your Preferred Display Name. I am very sorry he did not follow us here. I always enjoyed his posts for the view he presented and occasionally agreed with him.

If Hitler or Nixon are only surrounded by yes men that tell them what they want to hear and agree with . . . . . well . . . . .

[Sammy]

Are you children, or adults? Belittling a fellow poster, calling a fellow poster a name, picking on a fellow poster... in general insulting a fellow poster because you have a problem conducting yourself as an adult is a sure fire way of eroding a forum to extinction.

The following paragraphs are taken from the MSN's Code of Conduct, but apply to any open forum.

Posters are not allowed to....... threaten, stalk, defame, defraud, degrade, victimize, or intimidate an individual or group of individuals for any reason; including on the basis of age, gender, disability, ethnicity, sexual orientation, race, or religion; or to incite or encourage any one else to do so.

Posters are not allowed to..... incite, advocate, or expresses adult content such as pornography, obscenity, vulgarity, profanity, hatred, bigotry, racism, or gratuitous violence.

Why do you think MSN asked posters to respect the above rules??? The rules are universal for all large forums. Why? Because they make common sense if you are to enjoy a successful forum.

All too often small cliques of members think the forum is for their entertainment and to hell with the rest of the membership. I call them bullies, bores and people who have little control over their real lives. Either you respect each other and show leadership, or act like a bunch of petulant children and watch the board implode.

The steady stream of viewers via the Money page is no more so if you want your forum to be successful it's up to all of you not the mods, not the manager........ you.

[kman]

There are only two people that incite an argument on this board, Mid and como. Como has repeated the same complaints and has been answered by Moon on the "Wish List" thread and yet she continues to post the same complaints. It should be clear by now that she has a problem with me and yet , she just can't help but to pour through The Break Room looking for objectionable material ( at least to her). Over 6000 views ..not a single complaint until now. Like Mid..if ignored more extreme tactics take place ( bump war)...Prediction...she will escalate things..

I signed on with Frank early on recognizing his knowledge and expertise ( i am a former registered rep) The amount of crap I took for that is... looking back is pretty funny to me anyway. This thing is mostly for entertainment. On the serious side...the board ( Frank) has made my investment choices clear. Investing is a lot of waiting and in the mean time ..try to have a little fun...The Market Talk Only people have yet to share any kind of market results they have achieved ...or any market advice that can be applied to a portfolio. Hats off rovo

[comokate]

Feb 8, 2011 20:28:57 GMT -5 kman said:

There are only two people that incite an argument on this board, Mid and como.

Patently untrue, as is proven by reading over this forum's threads for the last week or so-
Yet not only is the untrue accusation not a surprise, neither is it's source.

Let people read what has been allowed to be posted, and let them come to their own conclusions:

notmsnmoney.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=betterunviewed&thread=1365
notmsnmoney.proboards.com/index.c....ead=2234&page=1

notmsnmoney.proboards.com/index.c....ead=2234&page=1

notmsnmoney.proboards.com/index.c....hread=99&page=1

notmsnmoney.proboards.com/index.c....ead=1918&page=1

notmsnmoney.proboards.com/index.c....read=114&page=1

[vl]

"V_L In every recovery the stock market rises and then you have the job creation."

Read more: notmsnmoney.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=moneytalk&action=display&thread=3050&page=2#ixzz1DQSYLuTm

If you are so sure of this, quit your job, live on your worth and wait for your anticipated recovery position to come. Bet you won't. Neither will 100% of ALL bulls. The fact is, the stock market doesn't remotely align with the economy or it's ensuing course or the shift we need to make to move away from exhausting resources and assets.
It's okay to have confidence in your convictions but ignoring or shutting out all other viewpoints is a recipe for loss you cannot afford. As I said the first time, I prefer ALL perspectives and the freedom to make my own convictions. Therefore, I have no use for those who would suppress one perspective to keep their own in dominance (bickering).

Let's see it all and stay clear of personal digs that force defensive stances over constructive conversation, lest we decay to the level of P&M.