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Post by traelin0 on Dec 23, 2010 12:09:47 GMT -5
wilbur1
Message #1 - 02/04/08 03:59 PM
Trillion dollar budget?? Recommendations to kill entitement programs like social security, etc. Where is our country going???
Definitely the wrong direction!!
God help us!!
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Post by traelin0 on Dec 23, 2010 12:10:15 GMT -5
GarishRed_Herring
Message #2 - 02/04/08 04:01 PMRather have a 6 trillion budget with Democrats at the helm and a blank check? 
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Post by traelin0 on Dec 23, 2010 12:10:45 GMT -5
Veteran Lender
Message #3 - 02/04/08 04:07 PM
At least it would balance. If you think for one minute that any Republican-borne calculation actually adds up correctly YOU ARE MISTAKEN. Has never happened, never will. I want change.
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Post by traelin0 on Dec 23, 2010 12:11:36 GMT -5
Ed1066
Message #4 - 02/04/08 04:17 PM
Higher taxes? That's a change. More terrorist attacks in the US? That's a change. Abortion on demand for your 12 year old daughter? That's a change. Capitulation to the socialist regimes in Europe? That's a change.
Well, enjoy your change!
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Post by traelin0 on Dec 23, 2010 12:12:18 GMT -5
wilbur1
Message #5 - 02/04/08 06:13 PM
We need to vote all these lame congressmen out of office too - get rid of President Bush and his B_o_z_o administration.
Hopefully we can get a President and administration that can do something to change the direction of this country.
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Post by traelin0 on Dec 23, 2010 12:12:39 GMT -5
Deminmaine
Message #6 - 02/05/08 07:16 AM
To answer the OP : YES.
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Post by traelin0 on Dec 23, 2010 12:13:01 GMT -5
wilbur1
Message #7 - 02/05/08 10:24 AM
Market is tanking. American jobs are disappearing.
Where is President Bush, Congress, and Paulson??? They are non- existant watching the market tank!!
Get off your duffs and do something!!
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Post by traelin0 on Dec 23, 2010 12:14:02 GMT -5
Mudflap81
Message #8 - 02/05/08 10:53 AM
They caused it by lowering interest rates and increasing liquidity. Their plan to solve it is by lowering interest rates and increasing liquidity.
P.S. The market isn't tanking, it's still correcting. Let it be.
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Post by traelin0 on Dec 23, 2010 12:14:46 GMT -5
cedaredge
Message #9 - 02/05/08 03:46 PM
It's really no surprise that the market took a dive today of 370 some odd points. Doesn't anybody follow the stock market?
You believe these numbers that the companies are posting to the positive? It's called "FUNNY MATH".
And the government manipulates the jobless claims. We're all being conned.
Come on people, wake up!
It's all BS.
Wilbur, you and I must be watching the same channel or something. I'm with you , buddy.
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Post by traelin0 on Dec 23, 2010 12:15:16 GMT -5
wilbur1
Message #10 - 02/05/08 03:53 PMThanks man - this country is definitely going in the wrong direction - we have reached a tipping point and if congress and President bush don't get off their duffs soon - this country is really going to be in some serious trouble. Where are these guys?  I agree - we need to stop these guys from spewing the BS and get something working and NOW!!
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Post by traelin0 on Dec 23, 2010 12:15:37 GMT -5
cedaredge
Message #11 - 02/05/08 04:26 PM
Well, I'm voting for Ike.....................................................
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Post by traelin0 on Dec 23, 2010 12:16:37 GMT -5
Duca Contadino
Message #12 - 02/05/08 05:02 PM
"When you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change," Dr. Wayne Dyer.
Apply that to the way YOU vote.
If you keep voting for Democrats and Republicans the messes you complain about in these threads will only continue... and probably get worse as our society grows continually more complex. The only thing they can ever agree on is their own salary increase.
Place a wedge of independent/third-party legislators between the two major parties, to act as a buffer.
We have to solve this problem ourselves by getting rid of the people who create the problems - or can't solve them (or more appropriately, just won't).
Turn that finger around and point it right at yourself as the crux of the problem.
I have not voted for a single Democrat or Republican in over 15 years - not in any race, for any reason. There is a bigger issue... and it is becoming more and more apparant what the problem is... the two-party system. I identified the problem long ago. Now other people are beginning to see what I have seen for a long, long time - yet, are reluctant to do what is necessary to correct the problem... hanging on to that false idea that, "it's a wasted vote... that person is not electable."
The wasted vote is simply doing the same old thing over and over again... and then complaining about the outcome.
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Post by traelin0 on Dec 23, 2010 12:18:00 GMT -5
Snuggle Zach
Message #13 - 02/05/08 09:52 PM
Ed, Please name me one "socialist regime" in Europe!
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Post by traelin0 on Dec 23, 2010 12:18:30 GMT -5
Snuggle Zach
Message #14 - 02/05/08 09:58 PM
Cedar,
I totally agree with you and Wilbur. "W" will leave the next generation wit a 400 billion Dollar deficit, as if our drficit wasn't high enough!!
And where has the stockmarket gone between 1-1-2000 and now??? My boring, insured CD's did better without risk at 5% interest!!!
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Post by traelin0 on Dec 23, 2010 12:18:55 GMT -5
michael30157
Message #15 - 02/05/08 11:05 PM
If it were not for foreign markets to export my heavy equipment, I would be bankrupt. The local markets have become almost no existent. How did our government let this happen?
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Post by traelin0 on Dec 23, 2010 12:19:58 GMT -5
cedaredge
Message #16 - 02/06/08 05:34 AM
Wilbur, the train is going full speed ahead. There's no stopping it now. It's heading for a concrete wall and the engineer is......................................well, I'll leave it up to your imaginations.
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Post by traelin0 on Dec 23, 2010 12:21:13 GMT -5
Mudflap81
Message #17 - 02/06/08 09:17 AM
The electoral college was designed to prevent a two-party system, and it works. It even works when there are multiple candidates in the same party. In the past 200 years we've destroyed the electoral college to a point that it is now an encumbrance and causes problems in our two-party system. If we dusted off the constitution and re-imposed the electoral college, the two-party system would evaporate.
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Post by traelin0 on Dec 23, 2010 12:22:24 GMT -5
Snuggle Zach
Message #18 - 02/08/08 09:42 AM
Anytime!!! Your friend in the whitehouse wasted more money than any Dem ever has!!!
It sure is interesting to see the ignorant and arrogant attitudes towards Europe (Ed1066),let me just say that, just for instance, the standard of living in Norway and Iceland is significantly higher than in the U.S.
I rather have the Dems spend 1 trillion on healthcare, than Bush spend more and more Dollars in Iraq, for a war that was totally unjustified in the absence of Al-Qaida's tie to Iraq and WMDs. Those were the only two reasons the American public was ever told to justify the war.
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Post by traelin0 on Dec 23, 2010 12:22:52 GMT -5
PfromTampa
Message #19 - 02/08/08 11:28 AM
ed1066, you really swallowed the Bush propaganda big time. At least under the democrats we had a balanced budget, none of our kids killed in a war for oil, lies upon lies to get us into a bogus war, infringement on our rights and speech and a ruined economy.
Learn the facts and stop being lead by the nose from these right wing morons.
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Post by traelin0 on Dec 23, 2010 12:26:10 GMT -5
Mudflap81
Message #20 - 02/08/08 12:15 PM
None of Clinton's budgets ever balanced. He signed balanced budgets, but cost overruns and receiving less taxes than planned on resulted in deficits every single year. At least with Bush tax revenues are higher than expected each year and the predicted deficits end up smaller in the end.
What war for oil? This is a pointless line that has nothing to do with the truth and degrades our soldiers.
What lies? France, Germany, Russia, and the UN itself all agreed at the time that the US was right in the information now being regarded as "lies." They were either the truth or lies that Saddam said and everyone believed. Saddam said a month before the invasion that he had in his possession WMD's and was getting nukes delivered. If you rob a bank and say you have a gun but don't, everybody in the bank believes you and they don't get called liars when no one finds the gun afterwards.
You mean like McCain-Feingold?
You're the one being lead by the nose by morons.
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Post by traelin0 on Dec 23, 2010 12:26:42 GMT -5
MoneyOutOfElections
Message #21 - 02/08/08 05:44 PM
For those espousing a 3rd party candidate, what's to prevent another party from also becoming beholden to corporate interests that finance campaigns? Oh right, Bloomberg can finance his own campaign. Doesn't that leave the political arena to millionaires? I know that how things worked in ancient Rome but is that what this country's political process has been reduced to?
Contrary to what some on this board say, campaign finance reform (i.e., total public financing of all federal offices for those who qualify) is the only way to get the corrupting influence of big money out of the electoral process. I'd line up to be taxed an extra $10 if it means Exxon and Haliburton can't buy our government. To those who say it's an infringement of free speech, there are already limits to free speech. If you don't think so then go to a packed movie theater and yell, "Fire!" Money is not speech.
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Post by traelin0 on Dec 23, 2010 12:27:10 GMT -5
traelin0
Message #22 - 11/22/10 11:46 PM
wilbur1, please come out and tell me who is bankrupting the country now???
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Post by traelin0 on Dec 23, 2010 12:27:55 GMT -5
ReformedDayTrade
Message #23 - 11/23/10 05:49 AM
Sorry but Ole Wilbur1 ..... doesn't live here anymore and cannot respond to your requests
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Post by traelin0 on Dec 23, 2010 12:28:16 GMT -5
pappyjohn99
Message #24 - 11/23/10 06:15 AM
What became of Wilber1?
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I agree - we need to stop these guys from spewing the BS and get something working and NOW!!