Should Mubarak Be Forced Out Now??

[privateinvestor]

Obama is praying for peace in Egypt but other world leaders are calling for Mubarak to leave Egypt ASAP ......they are also looking for the USA for leadership but instead we have another vacuum or leadership.

Mubarak wants to go but thinks his leaving now is not a good thing to do which is questionable..??

[Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ]

Obama is praying for peace in Egypt but other world leaders are calling for Mubarak to leave Egypt ASAP ......they are also looking for the USA for leadership but instead we have another vacuum or leadership.

Suppose we let some other countries have a chance to lead and produce peace.... and foot the bill for doing so. How about some countries in proximity to the region, like say.... India, Greece, France, Germany, etc.... maybe toss China in for good measure.

[privateinvestor]

People have been saying, or demonstrating, for [Mubarak] to leave today, and saying he should be put to trial. If he wants to save his skin, if he has an iota of patriotism, I would advise him to leave today and save the country,” ElBaradei said on CNN’s Fareed Zakaria GPS.

ElBaradei said the Obama Administration was undermining its credibility in the region by not pushing more decisively for Mubarak’s departure, and he downplayed concerns that a rapid regime change would engender a power vacuum that could be quickly filled by Islamic extremists.

“The next step, as everybody now agrees upon, is a transitional period and a government of national salvation, of national unity, and that there is grounds for a new constitution, a free and fair election -- these are the basic demands and what every Egyptian is agreeing upon.… Egypt needs to catch up with the rest of the world. We need to be free, democratic, and a society where people have the right to live in freedom and dignity.”

BBC News reported that ElBaradei arrived in Tahrir (Independence) Square, which demonstrators have established as a hub of the political unrest. In an evident flexing of military muscle, two air force jets and a helicopter repeatedly buzzed the square, and a number of tanks arrived but were blocked by protesters, the British news channel said.

ElBaradei, who has been mentioned as a prospective challenger and successor to Mubarak, called the appointment of longtime Mubarak aide Omar Suleiman, the country’s top intelligence official, as vice president “a hopeless, desperate attempt by Mubarak to stay in power. I think it is loud and clear from everybody in Egypt that Mubarak has to leave today, and this is non-negotiable for every Egyptian.”

“I have been authorized -- mandated -- by the people who organized these demonstrations and by many other powerful Egyptians to agree on a national unity government,” ElBaradei said on CNN. “I should be in touch soon with the army, and we need to work together. The army is part of Egypt, and we have the highest respect for them as civilians, and we need to work together to get Egypt out of where we are today -- a country that's falling apart.”

The Obama Administration has called for open elections in Egypt and distanced itself from longtime ally Mubarak, a process ElBaradei called insufficient and damaging to the U.S. reputation in the country.

“I can tell you in honesty, as a friend of the U.S., that your policy right now is a failed policy,” he said. “It is a policy that is lagging behind; it is having the effect here in Egypt that you are losing whatever is left of credibility." ElBaradei added, "I would like to see a democratic Egypt that is able to have a friendly relationship with the U.S…. there is no reason to believe that a democracy here will not lead to a better relationship with the U.S. based on respect and equity.”

Obama should ask for Mubarak’s resignation, the opposition leader said, so as “not to appear that he is the last one to say to President Mubarak, ‘It's time for you to go. Leave in dignity before things go out of hand’.”

ElBaradei dismissed concerns that a quick turnover in Cairo could give rise to a fundamentalist regime like the one in Iran.

“I'm quite confident of that,” he said. “This is a myth that was sold by the Mubarak regime, that it's either us, the ruthless dictators, or a Muslim al-Qaida type. The Muslim Brotherhood has nothing to do with extremism as we have seen in Afghanistan and other places. The Muslim Brotherhood is a religiously conservative group. They are a minority in Egypt.”

Asked about a potential role for himself as interim president, ElBaradei replied, “I'm willing to do whatever I can do to save this country.... If my people here, if the Egyptian people, want me to serve as a bridge from the authoritarian system into democracy, I will not let them down. I owe it to them.”





nationaljournal.com/congress/elbaradei-says-mubarak-will-leave-egypt-if-he-wants-to-save-his-skin--20110130?print=true

[privateinvestor]

Turkey has asked Mubarak to resign ASAP

[Deleted]

I'm tired of being the world's police!!! They take our money, talk trash about us, then blame us when things go wrong and we do not solve them. I hope all of the "globalists" are happy with the conditions of "the planet" now-- which the USA always seems to take the fall for.

[wyouser]

Savoir, may I relate a little tidbit as pertains at least to Germany. We visited the family home town in 2003. While a cousin was giving us a tour of the town, an elderly gentleman called down from a window in his house. Subsequently we were given a tour of this mans house. When we got to the 3rd story he took me by the arm and said he needed to show me something. In the back of the room on a little corner table were 5 old photos. They were all black and white photos of very young men in Wehrmacht uniforms. Each had a faded black ribbon with the inscription: "Fuers Vaterland gefallen" which translates as died for the fatherland. These were his five brothers..he was the only one to have survived the war. He told me "this is why we have trouble following you Americans everywhere"

[billisonboard]

Feb 3, 2011 17:23:36 GMT -5 @privateinvestor said:

Obama is praying for peace in Egypt ...

Good Christian that he is. All who believe in the power of prayer should be.

In regards to the title, it is something I feel is entirely up to the people of Egypt. I think silently sitting on the sidelines letting them work it out is the best choice.

[safeharbor37]

Should Mubarak Be Forced Out Now??
Ideally, Mubarak should leave as soon as there is a stable government ready to take charge [that is, assuming that you think that he should leave at all]. The problem is that Mubarak might use that to try to extend his reign.
A "power vacuum" is in no ones interest except those who may be waiting to take advantage of one.
The real question is; Who is behind the disturbances, demonstrations, etc. It is naive to believe that they are "grass roots" organizations. There is a hidden agenda here. Not knowing what it is is dangerous. This could easily turn out to be a "tipping point" where the momentum begins to move in a direction we won't welcome.

[traelin0]

safe, I agree with respect to the motives of the people behind the scenes of the insurrection. It makes you wonder if maybe Afghanistan and Iraq weren't enough to "unite" the world against Islam in preparation for the next "great war".

[privateinvestor]

Egypt's Military could be the key in forcing Mubarak to leave ASAP. Obama is apparently on the phone calling major world leaders and asking them to put pressure on Mubarak to resign or else as long as he stays in power, Egypt could erupt into a civil war Islamic Fundamentalists vs Islamic Moderates...and if the Islamic Fundamentalists win out that would be a catastrophe in the Middle East...so it is vital for Mubarak to go which would lessen the threat of a civil war and have a caretaker government run by the military until there is another Presidential election...

[Deleted]

I've heard for a while now that the only cure for a depression is a great world war. Is that the point of manipulation and attempted brainwashing we are now at?

[deziloooooo]

Feb 3, 2011 20:54:21 GMT -5 @krickitt said:

I've heard for a while now that the only cure for a depression is a great world war. Is that the point of manipulation and attempted brainwashing we are now at?

Pre nucs ? Possible. Post..naaaa

Actually , to be honest , no. See the first ww...UK, France lost whole a whole generaion..financially almost broke..second war, for us it was good but for all others, they would have recoveerd very well with out it in time..even Germany....

[privateinvestor]

White House, Egypt discuss Mubarak exit plan
Vice President Suleiman would be interim leader under deal
WASHINGTON, D.C. — The Obama administration is discussing with Egyptian officials a proposal for President Hosni Mubarak to resign immediately, turning over power to a transitional government headed by Vice President Omar Suleiman with the support of the Egyptian military, administration officials and Arab diplomats said Thursday.

Even though Mr. Mubarak has balked, so far, at leaving now, officials from both governments are continuing talks about a plan in which, Mr. Suleiman, backed by Sami Enan, chief of the Egyptian armed forces, and Field Marshal Mohamed Tantawi, the Defense Minister, would immediately begin a process of constitutional reform.

The proposal also calls for the transitional government to invite members from a broad range of opposition groups, including the banned Muslim Brotherhood, to begin work to open up the country’s electoral system in an effort to bring about free and fair elections in September, the officials said.







www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41417071/ns/world_news-the_new_york_times/#

[billisonboard]

Feb 3, 2011 21:25:00 GMT -5 @privateinvestor said:

White House, Egypt discuss Mubarak exit plan
Vice President Suleiman would be interim leader under deal
WASHINGTON, D.C. — The Obama administration is discussing with Egyptian officials a proposal for President Hosni Mubarak to resign immediately, turning over power to a transitional government headed by Vice President Omar Suleiman with the support of the Egyptian military, administration officials and Arab diplomats said Thursday.

Even though Mr. Mubarak has balked, so far, at leaving now, officials from both governments are continuing talks about a plan in which, Mr. Suleiman, backed by Sami Enan, chief of the Egyptian armed forces, and Field Marshal Mohamed Tantawi, the Defense Minister, would immediately begin a process of constitutional reform.

The proposal also calls for the transitional government to invite members from a broad range of opposition groups, including the banned Muslim Brotherhood, to begin work to open up the country’s electoral system in an effort to bring about free and fair elections in September, the officials said.







www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41417071/ns/world_news-the_new_york_times/#

Hopefully the world leaders who are looking to the US for leadership will be happy now that President Obama is filling that void.

[Deleted]

Yeah... Obama is helping things along.... yeah...........

[deziloooooo]

Feb 3, 2011 21:41:31 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Feb 3, 2011 21:25:00 GMT -5 @privateinvestor said:

White House, Egypt discuss Mubarak exit plan
Vice President Suleiman would be interim leader under deal
WASHINGTON, D.C. — The Obama administration is discussing with Egyptian officials a proposal for President Hosni Mubarak to resign immediately, turning over power to a transitional government headed by Vice President Omar Suleiman with the support of the Egyptian military, administration officials and Arab diplomats said Thursday.

Even though Mr. Mubarak has balked, so far, at leaving now, officials from both governments are continuing talks about a plan in which, Mr. Suleiman, backed by Sami Enan, chief of the Egyptian armed forces, and Field Marshal Mohamed Tantawi, the Defense Minister, would immediately begin a process of constitutional reform.

The proposal also calls for the transitional government to invite members from a broad range of opposition groups, including the banned Muslim Brotherhood, to begin work to open up the country’s electoral system in an effort to bring about free and fair elections in September, the officials said.







www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41417071/ns/world_news-the_new_york_times/#

Hopefully the world leaders who are looking to the US for leadership will be happy now that President Obama is filling that void.

Your suggesting that there are more then you and I who think he's doing ok on this issue? Wow..impressive..think Queen is in that group.., even though no wedding invite?

[billisonboard]

Feb 3, 2011 21:56:45 GMT -5 deziloooooo said:

Feb 3, 2011 21:41:31 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Hopefully the world leaders who are looking to the US for leadership will be happy now that President Obama is filling that void.

Your suggesting that there are more then you and I who think he's doing ok on this issue? Wow..impressive..think Queen is in that group.., even though no wedding invite?

I don't know that he is doing ok. I wish he was staying out of it.

[Deleted]

February 3, 2011 5:24 PM
"Friday of Departure" Protesters' Moment of Truth
www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-20030607-503543.html
For 10 days, violent protests have engulfed Egypt, calling for the resignation of embattled president Hosni Mubarak, killing at least eight and wounding hundreds as increasing lawlessness, looting and arson continues. Friday will be the moment of truth for both sides as pro-democracy protesters have declared call for all Egyptians to descend on Mubarak's palace in Heliopolis, the People's Assembly and the television building that afternoon.


Dissatisfied with Mubarak's Feb. 1 announcement that he will remain in power until elections are held in Sept., protesters have given Mubarak until Fri. to leave office, declaring Feb. 4 the "Friday of Departure", where they will march to Mubarak's palace in a last-ditch attempt to force the president out of office.

MORE... has this been posted already??

[privateinvestor]

Egyptians gather for new anti-Mubarak rally

Fri, 4 Feb 2011 09:55:00 GMT

* "Leave, leave, leave!" chant protesters after prayers
* Protesters hope to rally a million against Mubarak

* Obama administration in talks on transition

* Mubarak says his early resignation would bring chaos


(Adds prayers, Khamenei comments, detail, edits)

By Dina Zayed and Shaimaa Fayed

CAIRO, Feb 4 (Reuters) - Tens of thousands of Egyptians prayed in Cairo's Liberation Square on Friday for an immediate end to President Hosni Mubarak's 30-year rule, hoping a million more would join them in what they called the "Day of Departure".

"Leave! Leave! Leave!" they chanted after bowing in prayer and listening to a cleric declare "We want the head of the regime removed". He praised the "revolution of the young".

The United States, long the ally and sponsor of the 82-year-old former general and his politically influential army, was also working behind the scenes to have him hand over power.

Mubarak says he is willing to retire but, having spent three decades portraying himself as a bulwark against radical Islam in the most populous Arab state, he has warned of chaos if he goes now.

Doubtless fuelling Western -- and Israeli -- concerns about the rise of the Islamist movement the Muslim Brotherhood in any free Egyptian election, Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei hailed what he called an "Islamic liberation movement" across the Arab world, and urged Egypt's army to turn on Israel.

In Cairo, where protesters have come from a mix of secular and religious inspiration, many joined in repeating the Muslim rallying call on Friday of "Allahu akbar!", or God is greatest.

<^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

For all stories on the crisis, click on [nLDE70O2DA]

Reuters TV live Tahrir Square link.reuters.com/kuf87r

Mubarak interview with ABC link.reuters.com/red87r

Protest timeline link.reuters.com/zyc77r

For graphics, click on r.reuters.com/nym77r

Insider TV link.reuters.com/caw77r

Live Blog live.reuters.com/UK/Event/Unrest_in_Egypt

Column on effect on Egypt's financial system [nLDE7120R1]