Three years and 366 days to go

[Value Buy]

Before regime change occurs.

I see where Joe Biden says he will step up to the plate.
There is hope for the Republican party after all.

This will be my last thread start for awhile.
I am so depressed.

And Virgil took my karmas......

And just so everyone knows, just like I stated a few days ago, I do accept the election results, but, fortunately, in America, I can still be depressed about it

Now I have to clear my profile page of some now, incorrect predictions.......

[Tennesseer]

Jayzusss.

Do start threads-just not prediction threads until mid-October, 2016.

Now I have to clear my profile page of some now, incorrect predictions.......

It's not like we won't remember 20 months of your predictions.

[Virgil Showlion]

If it's any consolation, the US was headed to the bottom of the ocean regardless of who got elected. The elected party will get the blame and soundly lose the 2016 election.

But I thank you for your karma.

[Deleted]

That time is to be USED ... to reexamine the party, its tenets and alliances, and bring it back to something the majority can vote for...

[mmhmm]

Awww. You will survive, Value Buy. Honest. You will.

Oh, and Virgil didn't "take" your Karma. You made a bet with Virgil. You lost the bet and "gave" Virgil your Karma. There's probably a lesson in there somewhere, so make lemonade.

[billisonboard]

The concept of taking personal responsibility comes to mind.

[Gardening Grandma]

Nov 7, 2012 9:30:15 GMT -5 oped said:

That time is to be USED ... to reexamine the party, its tenets and alliances, and bring it back to something the majority can vote for...

I do understand exactly how you feel, VB. I felt like that in 2000 and 2004.

[Deleted]

Nov 7, 2012 9:34:06 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

The concept of taking personal responsibility comes to mind.

[Deleted]

Yeah, 2004 sucked... I can remember the shell shock disbelief....

[Tennesseer]

Thank goodness Obama didn't have to implement Marshall Law today.

[sesfw]

'The concept of taking personal responsibility comes to mind.'

This is one concept bho hasn't gotten in his mind. Being a community organizer and spending other peoples funds means he never will.

[Deleted]

Nov 7, 2012 9:43:19 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Thank goodness Obama didn't have to implement Marshall Law today.

The day ain't over yet.

[PK Bucko]

I am mystified as to why anyone would be surprised by the election results. Romney was never electable. I do believe he would have made a good president, but he was offered as a sacrificial lamb just as McCain and Dole. The difference is that Obama was vulnerable in many areas and could have been beaten by the right candidate. So the thing that really has me stumped is why did the Reps nominate Romney in the first place?....

Oh and nevermind that Senator wannabe (Akin) from my great state of Missouri that opened his yap and inserted both of his feet promptly. That guy really screwed the pooch not jut for himself but for the republican party.

[Deleted]

MARCO RUBIO!!!!!!!!!!!

[Value Buy]

Nov 7, 2012 9:34:06 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

The concept of taking personal responsibility comes to mind.

Yes, and just WHEN will the Demcocratic party members accept this fact and tell their followers the time is now, and step away from the money trough?

It is time for the professional beggars to get a job and support their families.

[Virgil Showlion]

Nov 7, 2012 9:30:15 GMT -5 oped said:

That time is to be USED ... to reexamine the party, its tenets and alliances, and bring it back to something the majority can vote for...

You do realize that the difference between the Republican popular vote in 2004 (50.7% Republican) and 2012 (48.4%) amounts to changing the mind of one individual in every hundred?

It's a significant victory, yes, and quite possibly due to America's shift to the left, but it's not a large shift by any stretch of the imagination.

Keep things in perspective.

[Value Buy]

Nov 7, 2012 9:28:33 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jayzusss.

Do start threads-just not prediction threads until mid-October, 2016.

Now I have to clear my profile page of some now, incorrect predictions.......

It's not like we won't remember 20 months of your predictions.

The thread is just a poke at myself.
I will let it die a simple slow death, unless my opponents enjoy piling on

[Deleted]

Rubio / Christie 2016!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Value Buy]

Hey, and wasn't it you that claimed Chelsea, or someone, in 2016 just the other day?

[rockon]

This election followed a very predictable path if anyone was paying any attention to the polls and the information available about how people were feeling towards the candidates.
It has seemed very unlikely from the beginning that Romney would be able to upset a sitting president who is as personally like able, as well spoken and supported as Obama is.
This election seems more about which individuals people liked then which party or what policy they stand for to me. In some cases a state a majority would vote for one party for president but yet the majority would support a the other party for congress. If the election were simply based on a disregard for one parties platform or a shift in one direction it seems that you would have seen even more single party voting.
Either way I still feel the current direction our country is headed in is very wrong and that seems very unlikely to change anytime in the near future which makes me even more uncertain about the chances of us getting the nose up in time. I would be the first to predict that while it is possible that all of the stimulus monies and bail outs could show short term benefits to the economy and could make Obama look like a hero if things improve before he leaves office the real effects of his policies will be paid for by our children.

[Deleted]

Nov 7, 2012 10:05:50 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Hey, and wasn't it you that claimed Chelsea, or someone, in 2016 just the other day?

Chelsea? Not me. That is just nuts.

[Deleted]

Nov 7, 2012 9:55:14 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Nov 7, 2012 9:30:15 GMT -5 oped said:

That time is to be USED ... to reexamine the party, its tenets and alliances, and bring it back to something the majority can vote for...

You do realize that the difference between the Republican popular vote in 2004 (50.7% Republican) and 2012 (48.4%) amounts to changing the mind of one individual in every hundred?

It's a significant victory, yes, and quite possibly due to America's shift to the left, but it's not a large shift by any stretch of the imagination.

Keep things in perspective.

You too... and you'll keep losing. Just about every hardcore right candidate lost. Gay marriage was legalized in 3 states and another failed to pass a 'marriage protection' ammendment. Pot was legalized for recreational use 2 states. And most importantly, the demographics show that the young, and the growing minority populations are NOT republicans...

So, actually, i'd like you to keep thinking the way you are thinking.. I like to win....

[workpublic]

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[Tennesseer]

Nov 7, 2012 10:05:50 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Hey, and wasn't it you that claimed Chelsea, or someone, in 2016 just the other day?

VBIf this is addressed to me, I said Jerry Brown in 2016 (although he will be 78 in 2016, therefore, not a chance in hell). Then Bluerobin 'fixed' it to read Chelsea Clinton.

[Virgil Showlion]

Gay marriage was legalized in 3 states and another failed to pass a 'marriage protection' ammendment. Pot was legalized for recreational use 2 states.

I'm not contesting that your nation's morality is going straight down the toilet. I've been prognosticating as much for eleven years. And what's more, there's no doubt in my mind that the trend will continue. It's prophecy, pure and simple.

You think of the shift as a good thing because you can't relate causes to real consequences in a way that makes sense to you. All I can do is tell you in advance that there will be increasingly severe, increasingly shocking consequences for the western world's moral abandon, and ask you to keep an open mind when these things happen. I gave the same advice shortly before taking my leave of the innumerable P&M abortion debates a few months ago.

If I'm wrong (and no doubt you currently hold this to be the case), reality will prove me a liar.

My point in Reply #21 is simple: this victory is significant, but in terms of an overall shift in public sentiment, it amounts to one individual in a hundred.

Frankly, the hearts and minds of the American people is all I care about from a political standpoint. Who you choose to put into power is irrelevant.

[Virgil Showlion]

This seems as good a thread as any to announce that I have paid out (and collected) on the various election bets:

Virgil/Driftr: 100 K Virgil ==> Driftr on Romney Win, or 14 K Driftr ==> Virgil on Obama Win
Virgil/VB: 100 K Virgil ==> VB on Romney Win, or 100 K VB ==> Virgil on Obama Win
Virgil/Dark: 10 K Virgil ==> Dark on Obama Win, or 40 K Dark ==> Virgil on Romney Win
Virgil/DJ : 10 K Virgil ==> DJ on Obama Win, or 45 K DJ ==> Virgil on Romney Win
Virgil/Optimist : 10 K Virgil ==> Optimist on Obama Win, or 40 K Optimist ==> Virgil on Romney Win
Virgil/Demin : 38 K Virgil ==> Demin on Obama Win, or 75 K Demin ==> Virgil on Romney Win
Virgil/kari : 10 K Virgil ==> kari on Obama Win, or 20 K kari ==> Virgil on Romney Win

Thank you all for participating.

[Deleted]

Personlly, I wasn't commenting on 'morality' at all... I was commenting on the idea that it wasn't a significant shift... and that the Republicans have any hope of winning if they continue to ignore it...

[thyme4change]

Hey, and wasn't it you that claimed Chelsea, or someone, in 2016 just the other day?

It makes me feel very upset that she is close to be old enough. I do believe that Chelsea will one day be completely capable of being President - but god lord, I hope not in 2016.

I'm assuming Hillary will be the one. Isn't that why she is quitting her current job?

[Driftr]

I will sleep well tonight in the hope that 7 of my K went to DJ, 4 to DH, and 3 to Dem. Spend it wisely fellas.

[Deleted]

I think Hillary will be the one but Biden is hinting at a run too.

I am 0 for 4 in presidential elections. I could be my own predictor of who wins the race.